some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Naja Melan
Hi, quite some people around me use debian with view of creating secure encrypted systems. Consider for example in france boum.org, who have published a book about computer security which advises people to use debian. Those people turn to me with questions about how safe things are and want

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread AK
Hi all, a small disclaimer first, I am not affiliated with debian in any way, I am, as the original author would have put it a user. I would like to play devil's advocate in a few of the quite interesting points that Naja raises: 1) Why is *getting* debian over plain HTTP such a big issue?

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim., 2011-01-23 at 17:35 +0100, Naja Melan wrote: Some weeks ago I decided to have a look at debian and quite soon ran into questions and problems considering the security of debian. I would like to share some of those questions, remarks in this mail in the hope of stimulating a discussion

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Tomsick
On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 19:34 +0200, AK wrote: a small disclaimer first, I am not affiliated with debian in any way, I am, as the original author would have put it a user. The same goes for me, so I suppose my remarks should be taken with a comparably-sized grain of salt. :) That said: 1)

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread AK
Thanks for the reply and the links Robert. I agree with your point on SSL/TLS not being as computationally expensive as it used to be, however (as you correctly state) it can be more of an issue regarding management/resources, as well as red tape. Regarding Google's statement with SSL/TLS cost

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In 4d3c66a0.80...@gmail.com, AK wrote: 3) Regarding policies, I think that unfortunately Debian has a bad record (cough, cough, openSSL PRNG circa 2008) The patch file that introduced that security issue can be broken into two parts that don't overlap: (a) the part that fixed the policy

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Naja Melan (najame...@gmail.com): Some weeks ago I decided to have a look at debian and quite soon ran into questions and problems considering the security of debian. I would like to share some of those questions, remarks in this mail in the hope of stimulating a discussion[...] It

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM, AK wrote: Hi all, a small disclaimer first, I am not affiliated with debian in any way, I am, as the original author would have put it a user. I would like to play devil's advocate in a few of the quite interesting points that Naja raises: 1) Why is

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Robert Tomsick
On Sun, 2011-01-23 at 19:32 -0500, Michael Gilbert wrote: Also, a discussion could be started with SPI to see if they are willing to purchase a CA cert. That would at least allow users with implicit trust in the CA system to get a nice fuzzy feeling when they see the lock icon when

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Raphael Geissert
Michael Gilbert wrote: There is no need to worry about additional load on the mirrors since the only thing that needs to be verifiable are the checksums themselves, and that could easily be hosted on a centralized https server separate from the mirror system. The Debian CDs and the Archive

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:22:34 -0600 Raphael Geissert wrote: Michael Gilbert wrote: There is no need to worry about additional load on the mirrors since the only thing that needs to be verifiable are the checksums themselves, and that could easily be hosted on a centralized https server

Re: some feedback about security from the user's point of view

2011-01-23 Thread René Mayrhofer
Am Sonntag, 23. Januar 2011, um 20:52:44 schrieb AK: Regarding the MD5 sum example and certain released PoCs: producing two random files with identical MD5 sums is one thing, introducing a meaningful backdoor (which means deterministic change) or ten in a Debian iso and generating an iso file