Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-28 Thread vdongen
I think as a German I'm allowed to say this: No English, no security. There will always be bits and pieces available in English only. Making DSAs available in foreign languages will help amateurs without sufficient English skills to keep their systems up to date. It might even help

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina wrote: Mmmh... Comes to mind... What are the chances for a non-developer to be on writers at CVS now that we're authenticating via developer-related ssh keys? That would be very convenient just as many people (at least on the Spanish team) remain not being Debian

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-16 Thread Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:38:35PM +0200, Jan Niehusmann wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:12:19PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: One could reduce a DSA to do I have this package installed? Yes, then I'd better update.. However, if these people are subscribed to Perhaps this could even be

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-16 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 11:43:25AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: /deja-vu Didn't I propose exactly this? Yes, you did. I didn't read the full thread before posting my message. Jan

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Giuseppe Sacco wrote: Il Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:23:57PM +0200, Martin Schulze ha scritto: [...] Currently, all DSAs are released via mail in english on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copied to www.debian.org afterwards, where they will be picked up by seven[1] fellow translators Just for the

RE: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Jens Hafner
I'm not really sure if this is the right place for the language discussion. I believe that everybody on this list at least understands English good enough to be able to get the message and understand the English announcements. Why would someone subscribe to a list she can't follow? And those who

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:23:57PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Given the above, what do you think about establishing localized security-announce lists? Please discuss this issue on debian-security and not on debian-devel or debian-project to reach a larger audience. Not being a CVS guru

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Siegbert Baude
I'm not really sure if this is the right place for the language discussion. I believe that everybody on this list at least understands English good enough to be able to get the message and understand the English announcements. Why would someone subscribe to a list she can't follow? And those

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Danny De Cock
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Siegbert Baude wrote: So we have to think for those, who aren't able to follow this discussion, too. I think as a system administrator, one is out of luck if one can't follow the English announcements anyway. [snip] I dislike this attitude No English, no IT. In many

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Lupe Christoph
On Wednesday, 2002-08-14 at 11:55:29 +0200, Siegbert Baude wrote: I dislike this attitude No English, no IT. In many states school systems aren't good enough or English is not taught as first foreign language. As a side note: I personally know Germans and foreign Chinese students here in

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 12:18:29PM +0200, Danny De Cock wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Siegbert Baude wrote: language. As a side note: I personally know Germans and foreign Chinese students here in Germany working in this business, whose English skills wouldn`t allow reading complicated DSAs.

RE: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Jens Hafner
I think as a system administrator, one is out of luck if one can't follow the English announcements anyway. [snip] I dislike this attitude No English, no IT. In many states school systems aren't good enough or English is not taught as first foreign language. As a side note: I personally know

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Siegbert Baude
Jens wrote: I think as a system administrator, one is out of luck if one can't follow the English announcements anyway. Siegbert wrote: [snip] I dislike this attitude No English, no IT. In many states school systems aren't good enough or English is not taught as first foreign language.

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread InfoEmergencias - Luis Gómez
El mié, 14-08-2002 a las 11:03, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña escribió: I do not see the benefit of this push method if we take in account that we already provide an RDF channel for advisories and users can configure their user agents (like Evolution) to retrieve them automatically.

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Giuseppe Sacco wrote: We decided to translate from the english wml, so in order to start a translation we wait for the english published version. Is it the right way? In any case I will subscribe to debian-security-announce to get quicker translations. That's the proper way. However, due to

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Martin Schulze
InfoEmergencias - Luis Gómez wrote: El mié, 14-08-2002 a las 11:03, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña escribió: I do not see the benefit of this push method if we take in account that we already provide an RDF channel for advisories and users can configure their user agents (like

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Jan Niehusmann wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 12:18:29PM +0200, Danny De Cock wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Siegbert Baude wrote: language. As a side note: I personally know Germans and foreign Chinese students here in Germany working in this business, whose English skills wouldn`t allow

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Jan Niehusmann
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:12:19PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: One could reduce a DSA to do I have this package installed? Yes, then I'd better update.. However, if these people are subscribed to Perhaps this could even be automated: When a new (english) DSA gets released, a script

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Peter Karlsson
Martin Schulze: what do other developers think about localized lists for security advisories, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] That sounds like a good idea. However, to make sure that the information is sent out as soon as possible, I think it would be a good idea that, whenever a new advisory is

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:23:57 +0200, Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Hi, Hello! Establishing localized -announce lists could impose an unacceptable delay before the translated advisory gets posted to the localized list. This will probably be the case especially with long

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Oohara Yuuma wrote: For your information, this is how the Japanese translation of DSAs works: 1. Kenshi Muto forwards the English DSA to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as soon as possible (usually in 24 hours) 2. Seiji Kaneko translates the e-mail version of DSA into Japanese and post it to [EMAIL

debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-13 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi, what do other developers think about localized lists for security advisories, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Currently, all DSAs are released via mail in english on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copied to www.debian.org afterwards, where they will be picked up by seven[1] fellow translators who produce

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-13 Thread Giuseppe Sacco
Il Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:23:57PM +0200, Martin Schulze ha scritto: [...] Currently, all DSAs are released via mail in english on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and copied to www.debian.org afterwards, where they will be picked up by seven[1] fellow translators Just for the records. From this morning we

Re: debian-security-announce-$lang@lists?

2002-08-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:23:57PM +0200, you wrote: what do other developers think about localized lists for security advisories, such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't see the point. People who want up-to-date information will need to follow the english list, and the other translations are