Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread vdongen

In this case I use (and suggest to use) pscp which is a win32 
implementation of scp (secure copy). It uses a ssh connection to upload 
or download. Unfortunatly it uses no gui and has to run from cmd or 
command.

pscp can be found on the putty page...

Greetz,

Ivo

Windows 2000 is more secure than Linux... Since the machine is offline 
half of the time because of crashes, it cannot be accessed globally, 
therefore producing higher security.



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Subject: Re: FTP and security

 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp? 
 Unfortunately, I have to use Windows at work.  :/
 
 Thanks,
 Adam
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:55:17PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
  Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
  
  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
  
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread Jens Schuessler

At 09:05 09.11.01, you wrote:
 In this case I use (and suggest to use) pscp which is a win32
 implementation of scp (secure copy). It uses a ssh connection to upload
 or download. Unfortunatly it uses no gui and has to run from cmd or
 command.

Take a look at Secure-iXplorer http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm,
it's a GUI for pscp, you can drag'n drop your files very comfortably.
It works ok here.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread Adam Spickler

When I tried iXplorer, it didn't look to have ssh2 support.  I'd prefer to use ssh2 
support, WinSCP allows you to select, but it seems to crash when uploading lots 
and/or big files.  It DOES complete, but you can't see it's progress, etc.

...adam




On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:52:35PM +0100, Jens Schuessler wrote:
 At 09:05 09.11.01, you wrote:
 In this case I use (and suggest to use) pscp which is a win32
 implementation of scp (secure copy). It uses a ssh connection to upload
 or download. Unfortunatly it uses no gui and has to run from cmd or
 command.
 
 Take a look at Secure-iXplorer http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm,
 it's a GUI for pscp, you can drag'n drop your files very comfortably.
 It works ok here.
 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread Jens Schuessler

At 18:00 09.11.01, you wrote:
 When I tried iXplorer, it didn't look to have ssh2 support.  I'd prefer to
 use ssh2 support, WinSCP allows you to select, but it seems to crash when
 uploading lots and/or big files.  It DOES complete, but you can't see it's
 progress, etc.

With iXplorer 0.17 you can use a putty saved session and so you get ssh2 
support.
If you want support for ssh2-keys you have to download one of the 
developer-snapshots of putty (putty,plink,pscp,pageant and puttygen) and 
generate your ssh2-keys with the new puttygen.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread James Nord

Adam Spickler wrote:

Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, I have 
to use Windows at work.  :/

PSFTP http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

development snapshots only but still very useable.
(also a pscp for scp)

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread vdongen
In this case I use (and suggest to use) pscp which is a win32 
implementation of scp (secure copy). It uses a ssh connection to upload 
or download. Unfortunatly it uses no gui and has to run from cmd or 
command.

pscp can be found on the putty page...

Greetz,

Ivo

Windows 2000 is more secure than Linux... Since the machine is offline 
half of the time because of crashes, it cannot be accessed globally, 
therefore producing higher security.



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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 16:57:22 -0500
Subject: Re: FTP and security

 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp? 
 Unfortunately, I have to use Windows at work.  :/
 
 Thanks,
 Adam
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:55:17PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
  Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
  
  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
  
  Wichert.
  
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread Jens Schuessler

At 09:05 09.11.01, you wrote:
In this case I use (and suggest to use) pscp which is a win32
implementation of scp (secure copy). It uses a ssh connection to upload
or download. Unfortunatly it uses no gui and has to run from cmd or
command.

Take a look at Secure-iXplorer http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm,
it's a GUI for pscp, you can drag'n drop your files very comfortably.
It works ok here.

Jens



Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread Adam Spickler
When I tried iXplorer, it didn't look to have ssh2 support.  I'd prefer to use 
ssh2 support, WinSCP allows you to select, but it seems to crash when 
uploading lots and/or big files.  It DOES complete, but you can't see it's 
progress, etc.

...adam




On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:52:35PM +0100, Jens Schuessler wrote:
 At 09:05 09.11.01, you wrote:
 In this case I use (and suggest to use) pscp which is a win32
 implementation of scp (secure copy). It uses a ssh connection to upload
 or download. Unfortunatly it uses no gui and has to run from cmd or
 command.
 
 Take a look at Secure-iXplorer http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm,
 it's a GUI for pscp, you can drag'n drop your files very comfortably.
 It works ok here.
 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread Jens Schuessler

At 18:00 09.11.01, you wrote:
When I tried iXplorer, it didn't look to have ssh2 support.  I'd prefer to
use ssh2 support, WinSCP allows you to select, but it seems to crash when
uploading lots and/or big files.  It DOES complete, but you can't see it's
progress, etc.

With iXplorer 0.17 you can use a putty saved session and so you get ssh2 
support.
If you want support for ssh2-keys you have to download one of the 
developer-snapshots of putty (putty,plink,pscp,pageant and puttygen) and 
generate your ssh2-keys with the new puttygen.


Jens



Re: FTP and security

2001-11-09 Thread James Nord

Adam Spickler wrote:


Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, I 
have to use Windows at work.  :/


PSFTP http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

development snapshots only but still very useable.
(also a pscp for scp)

/James




RE: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Jesse Molina


Be more specific about your concerns.  The question is, what about it might
be insecure?

The network transport method?
Authentication method?
The daemon to remote exploits?
The daemon for local exploits?

A problem may be related to the specific implementation of the standard, or
the standard itself may be flawed, depending upon your concerns and needs.



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 Is FTP really insecure ?
 I use a version of ProFtpd.
 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Brandon High

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:29:08PM +0100, Luc MAIGNAN wrote:
 Is FTP really insecure ?
 I use a version of ProFtpd.

The protocol is insecure, since it sends login and authentication
information over the wire in clear text.

Different FTP daemons have different security issues.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Lars Bjarby

At 22:29 2001-11-08, Luc MAIGNAN wrote:

Is FTP really insecure ?
I use a version of ProFtpd.

A protocol that sends the passwords in clear text is anything but secure. 
If you have to use FTP you should probably have diffrent usernames and/or 
passwords in the ftpd.

While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?



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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Wichert Akkerman

Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
 While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?

openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.

Wichert.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Adam Spickler

Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, I have 
to use Windows at work.  :/

Thanks,
Adam


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 Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
  While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
 
 openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Mark Janssen

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:57:22PM -0500, Adam Spickler wrote:
 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, I have 
to use Windows at work.  :/

cygwin includes openssh... and the sftp it has supports everything you
need.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Kenneth Pronovici

 On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:57:22PM -0500, Adam Spickler wrote:
  Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, I 
have to use Windows at work.  :/
 
 cygwin includes openssh... and the sftp it has supports everything you
 need.

Or, try Putty:

   http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

It's not bad - small footprint and runs pretty well.  The ssh client is
pretty much like an xterm (it's what I'm using from work right now).

KEN

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Petter Abrahamsson

On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 15:25, Jari Eskelinen wrote:
   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
 
 How about sftp-client with decent (G)UI, is there one (for Linux, 
 preferable for Debian)? OpenSSH's sftp-client is pathetic. How you even 
 can upload/download whole subdirectories with it? 

Try gftp, it will do the trick for you
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Jari Eskelinen

On 09.11.2001 00:52 Petter Abrahamsson wrote:

 Try gftp, it will do the trick for you

I tried it some time ago (and now again), but it seems to use some 
other kind of sftp system we have here... It tries to start sftpserv 
from remote machine, and there are none. Instead there are sftp-server 
(tried few machines, Linux with OpenSSH, SunOS with SSH2 etc.), which 
seems not to be compatible. Is there any option which I missed or is 
gftp just incompatible with 'normal' ssh?

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RE: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Jesse Molina

Be more specific about your concerns.  The question is, what about it might
be insecure?

The network transport method?
Authentication method?
The daemon to remote exploits?
The daemon for local exploits?

A problem may be related to the specific implementation of the standard, or
the standard itself may be flawed, depending upon your concerns and needs.



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 I use a version of ProFtpd.
 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:29:08PM +0100, Luc MAIGNAN wrote:
 Is FTP really insecure ?
 I use a version of ProFtpd.

The protocol is insecure, since it sends login and authentication
information over the wire in clear text.

Different FTP daemons have different security issues.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Lars Bjarby

At 22:29 2001-11-08, Luc MAIGNAN wrote:


Is FTP really insecure ?
I use a version of ProFtpd.


A protocol that sends the passwords in clear text is anything but secure. 
If you have to use FTP you should probably have diffrent usernames and/or 
passwords in the ftpd.


While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?



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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
 While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?

openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.

Wichert.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Adam Spickler
Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, I 
have to use Windows at work.  :/

Thanks,
Adam


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 Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
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 openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Mark Janssen
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:57:22PM -0500, Adam Spickler wrote:
 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, 
 I have to use Windows at work.  :/

cygwin includes openssh... and the sftp it has supports everything you
need.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Kenneth Pronovici
 On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:57:22PM -0500, Adam Spickler wrote:
  Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  
  Unfortunately, I have to use Windows at work.  :/
 
 cygwin includes openssh... and the sftp it has supports everything you
 need.

Or, try Putty:

   http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

It's not bad - small footprint and runs pretty well.  The ssh client is
pretty much like an xterm (it's what I'm using from work right now).

KEN

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RE: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Jesse Molina

You can try SecureFX from Van Dyke Technologies, www.vandyke.com I think.
It works pretty well.  It supports ftp and sftp.



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 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp? 
  Unfortunately, I have to use Windows at work.  :/
 
 Thanks,
 Adam
 
 
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  Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
  
  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
  
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RE: Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Don Froien, III
There's also putty.  Free software that will allow your windows box to ssh into 
your linux machine and supports vim syntax coloring.

Mark Janssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:57:22PM -0500, Adam Spickler wrote:
 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  
 Unfortunately, I have to use Windows at work.  :/

cygwin includes openssh... and the sftp it has supports everything you
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Jari Eskelinen

 While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.


How about sftp-client with decent (G)UI, is there one (for Linux, 
preferable for Debian)? OpenSSH's sftp-client is pathetic. How you even 
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Petro
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:57:22PM -0500, Adam Spickler wrote:
 Is there a decent Windows FTP application that supports sftp?  Unfortunately, 
 I have to use Windows at work.  :/

Well, there's always cygwin. It almost makes Windows liveable. 

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  Previously Lars Bjarby wrote:
   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
  
  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
  
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Emmanuel Valliet
(2001-11-09) Jari Eskelinen sed :

 |   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
 |  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
 |
 | How about sftp-client with decent (G)UI, is there one (for Linux,
 | preferable for Debian)? OpenSSH's sftp-client is pathetic. How you even
 | can upload/download whole subdirectories with it?

Hum, using the port forwarding of ssh, it's easy.
Just ssh -L 2000:remote_host:21 remote_host, then use any ftp client
you want to connect on the port 2000 of localhost.

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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Petter Abrahamsson
On Thu, 2001-11-08 at 15:25, Jari Eskelinen wrote:
   While were on the subject, is there an OpenSSH port of SFTP?
  openssh has a sftp subsystem, yes.
 
 How about sftp-client with decent (G)UI, is there one (for Linux, 
 preferable for Debian)? OpenSSH's sftp-client is pathetic. How you even 
 can upload/download whole subdirectories with it? 

Try gftp, it will do the trick for you
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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Jari Eskelinen

On 09.11.2001 00:52 Petter Abrahamsson wrote:


Try gftp, it will do the trick for you


I tried it some time ago (and now again), but it seems to use some 
other kind of sftp system we have here... It tries to start sftpserv 
from remote machine, and there are none. Instead there are sftp-server 
(tried few machines, Linux with OpenSSH, SunOS with SSH2 etc.), which 
seems not to be compatible. Is there any option which I missed or is 
gftp just incompatible with 'normal' ssh?


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Re: FTP and security

2001-11-08 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Brandon High ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011108 12:25]:
 On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 10:29:08PM +0100, Luc MAIGNAN wrote:
  Is FTP really insecure ?
  I use a version of ProFtpd.
 
 The protocol is insecure, since it sends login and authentication
 information over the wire in clear text.

...which has no bearing on anonymous ftp access. Again, it all comes
down to what your needs are for functionality and for security.
Anonymous ftp can be set up quite securely.

As others have suggested, sftp works well for me. I use ssh.com's
windows client (free for hobbyist use), which is simple enough for
anyone familiar with windows' drag-and-drop interface.

 Different FTP daemons have different security issues.

This, of course, is very true, and, unfortunately, I can offer no good
advice in terms of which are more secure than others (though I can warn
that staying away from WU is probably a good idea).

good times,

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