re: scp and ftp

2002-04-02 Thread Zer0

Hello !
 concern.  Users can ssh into my machine but their profiles are fixed to
 run a menu of things I allow them to do.  Thus they can't get to the $
 prompt and thus can't cd to other directories to see what's there.  And

maybe i do not get the point but :
i think you should try 'pdmenu' as the shell for the users


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re: scp and ftp

2002-04-02 Thread Zer0
Hello !
 concern.  Users can ssh into my machine but their profiles are fixed to
 run a menu of things I allow them to do.  Thus they can't get to the $
 prompt and thus can't cd to other directories to see what's there.  And

maybe i do not get the point but :
i think you should try 'pdmenu' as the shell for the users


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re: scp and ftp

2002-04-01 Thread Jon McCain

I'm not sure if this message made it through.  Our ISP was having
problems this morning.
Sorry if you get this message twice.


I think some of you misunderstood me.  I was not clear about my
concern.  Users can ssh into my machine but their profiles are fixed to
run a menu of things I allow them to do.  Thus they can't get to the $
prompt and thus can't cd to other directories to see what's there.  And
even they did, permission are set so they could not overwrite important
files.  I simply don't want them to be able to read stuff not in their
own home.  Files like /etc/passwd,/etc/shadow,etc. Anything with
information someone could use to locally exploit the machine.  But you
can use pscp from a windows machine and poke around and download files
from places other than your home directory.

If there is another email list that this is more appropriate for, let me
know.


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Re: scp and ftp

2002-04-01 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans

On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:35:46AM -0500, Jon McCain wrote:
 concern.  Users can ssh into my machine but their profiles are fixed to
 run a menu of things I allow them to do.  Thus they can't get to the $
 prompt and thus can't cd to other directories to see what's there.  And
 even they did, permission are set so they could not overwrite important
 files.  I simply don't want them to be able to read stuff not in their
 own home.  Files like /etc/passwd,/etc/shadow,etc. Anything with

I wouldn't worry about them overwriting things like /etc/shadow, or even
reading it.  Just make sure permissions are set properly on the files
that you care about.  Debian does not leave critical information
world-readable by default, so provided you don't make a mess out of the
default permissions, you should be fine.

There are plenty of shell servers out there that support hundreds of
concurrent users, and I've never come across one that tries to restrict
access to files that would commonly be world-readable.

Also, you should probably check to see if something like
 ssh your host /bin/cat /etc/passwd
works.  If it does, then that's the same as scp, and it's not likely
that you'll be easily able to prevent this behavior.

noah

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re: scp and ftp

2002-04-01 Thread Jon McCain
I'm not sure if this message made it through.  Our ISP was having
problems this morning.
Sorry if you get this message twice.


I think some of you misunderstood me.  I was not clear about my
concern.  Users can ssh into my machine but their profiles are fixed to
run a menu of things I allow them to do.  Thus they can't get to the $
prompt and thus can't cd to other directories to see what's there.  And
even they did, permission are set so they could not overwrite important
files.  I simply don't want them to be able to read stuff not in their
own home.  Files like /etc/passwd,/etc/shadow,etc. Anything with
information someone could use to locally exploit the machine.  But you
can use pscp from a windows machine and poke around and download files
from places other than your home directory.

If there is another email list that this is more appropriate for, let me
know.


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Re: scp and ftp

2002-04-01 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 09:35:46AM -0500, Jon McCain wrote:
 concern.  Users can ssh into my machine but their profiles are fixed to
 run a menu of things I allow them to do.  Thus they can't get to the $
 prompt and thus can't cd to other directories to see what's there.  And
 even they did, permission are set so they could not overwrite important
 files.  I simply don't want them to be able to read stuff not in their
 own home.  Files like /etc/passwd,/etc/shadow,etc. Anything with

I wouldn't worry about them overwriting things like /etc/shadow, or even
reading it.  Just make sure permissions are set properly on the files
that you care about.  Debian does not leave critical information
world-readable by default, so provided you don't make a mess out of the
default permissions, you should be fine.

There are plenty of shell servers out there that support hundreds of
concurrent users, and I've never come across one that tries to restrict
access to files that would commonly be world-readable.

Also, you should probably check to see if something like
 ssh your host /bin/cat /etc/passwd
works.  If it does, then that's the same as scp, and it's not likely
that you'll be easily able to prevent this behavior.

noah

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