Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-07-05 Thread lee
An update on this (see long quote below) --- maybe it helps someone with a similar problem: After a total disk failure seemed imminent --- the disconnected disk didn't come back after turning the computer off and back on --- I got two new disks to replace the Maxtor 7V300F0 disks. I made a softwar

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-07-02 Thread lee
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 11:05:01PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:11:35PM -0600, lee wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -020

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 03 January 2009 23:05:01 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:11:35PM -0600, lee wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Ed

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-03 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 04:11:35PM -0600, lee wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > > > lee wrote: > > > > > Well, how do yo

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-03 Thread lee
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:51:56PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > > lee wrote: > > > > Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access > > > >

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-02 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:00:41PM -0600, lee wrote: > On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > lee wrote: > > > Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access > > > them? It still has the option to load more modules from a floppy disk, > > >

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-02 Thread lee
On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 05:56:25PM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > lee wrote: > > Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access > > them? It still has the option to load more modules from a floppy disk, > > but I haven't had a floppy disk drive for years ... With no sy

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-01 Thread lee
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:11:59PM +, Aneurin Price wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:58 AM, lee wrote: > > Anyway, if it's a software problem, it's probably not the module for > > the particular controller but something else. That people with all > > kinds of different hardware have this pro

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-01 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
lee wrote: > Well, how do you install on SATA disks when the installer can't access > them? It still has the option to load more modules from a floppy disk, > but I haven't had a floppy disk drive for years ... With no system > installed, you couldn't create those disks anyway. > You should be

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2009-01-01 Thread lee
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:29:28AM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > lee wrote: > > > > I'm not sure if I could use a pre-built Debian kernel: the installer > > couldn't access the SATA disks because it didn't have the module for > > the controller, and a pre-built standard Debian kernel might not ha

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-15 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
Aneurin Price wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:58 AM, lee wrote: >> Anyway, if it's a software problem, it's probably not the module for >> the particular controller but something else. That people with all >> kinds of different hardware have this problem supports this theory. >> >> Hm, and I h

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-15 Thread Aneurin Price
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:58 AM, lee wrote: > Anyway, if it's a software problem, it's probably not the module for > the particular controller but something else. That people with all > kinds of different hardware have this problem supports this theory. > > Hm, and I haven't seen anyone using Debi

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-14 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
lee wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:40:50PM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: >> >> do you have custom kernel or debian stock kernel. > > Until today, I was using a standard kernel from kernel.org. Today I > downloaded the package with the Debian kernel sources (2.6.24, blah > etchnhalf or someth

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-13 Thread Adrian Levi
2008/12/13 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. : > On Friday 2008 December 12 22:41:17 Adrian Levi wrote: >>2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. : >>> iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :( >> >>I'm not using any access restrictions >>on the access point itself, it's basically open. > > Both the APs I need to de

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-12 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 2008 December 12 22:41:17 Adrian Levi wrote: >2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. : >> iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :( > >I'm not using any access restrictions >on the access point itself, it's basically open. Both the APs I need to deal with regularly are WPA Personal. >Mine is

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-12 Thread Adrian Levi
2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. : > iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :( I have been using 2.6.27.7 for a while now, seems pretty stable. With a plain debian kernel 2.6.26 I would somwtimes have to press the wifi kill switch to kill the driver and press it again to get it to associate with

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:58:55PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:06:12PM -0600, lee wrote: > > One option I haven't tried yet is to plug both SATA disks into the > > same channel (i. e. use adjacent plugs). I didn't do that because they > > might be blocking each other ---

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Samad
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:06:12PM -0600, lee wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:54:58AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: > > > > well it seems atleast the drives are okay, maybe a faulty cable ? Just > > seems strange that the debian patches would make a difference (but I > > could be wrong), especiall

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:40:50PM +0100, Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > > do you have custom kernel or debian stock kernel. Until today, I was using a standard kernel from kernel.org. Today I downloaded the package with the Debian kernel sources (2.6.24, blah etchnhalf or something like that ...), conf

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:35:06 -0800 "Kelly Clowers" wrote: ... > For more than you want to know about binary firmware blobs see the > thread "Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged 'lenny-ignore'?" > and related threads on debian devel: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/10/msg0036

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:54:58AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: > > well it seems atleast the drives are okay, maybe a faulty cable ? Just > seems strange that the debian patches would make a difference (but I > could be wrong), especially with stock standard stuff Unfortunately, that the selftests

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 14:53, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0600 > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: >> > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 >> > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: >> > >> >> On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: >> >>> what's t

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Emanoil Kotsev
lee wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58:30AM -0600, lee wrote: > >> I've started a long test, but it says it'll take about two hours. I'll >> let you know the result. > > cat:/home/lee# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb > smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 > Bru

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Samad
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:39:01PM -0600, lee wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58:30AM -0600, lee wrote: > > > I've started a long test, but it says it'll take about two hours. I'll > > let you know the result. > > cat:/home/lee# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb > smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-un

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-11 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:58:30AM -0600, lee wrote: > I've started a long test, but it says it'll take about two hours. I'll > let you know the result. cat:/home/lee# smartctl -l selftest /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen Home page is htt

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 01:37:57PM +1100, Alex Samad wrote: > have you tried smartctl -H and smartctl -t short|long > Yes, there doesn't seem to be anything unusual: cat:/home/lee# smartctl -H /dev/sdb smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen Home pag

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 07:14:37PM -0600, lee wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:52:03 lee wrote: > > If you can find enough people with the same problems and co-ordinate, you > > might be able to reduce the amoun

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Alex Samad
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 03:15:56PM -0600, lee wrote: > Hi, > [snip] > smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce > Allen > Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > Model Family: Maxtor MaXLine III family

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 07:30:40PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 2008 December 10 19:14:37 lee wrote: > >On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >> If > >> time is what it takes to reproduce, that's fine -- just figure out what a > >> good upp

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 19:14:37 lee wrote: >On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> If >> time is what it takes to reproduce, that's fine -- just figure out what a >> good upper bound is. Is 1 day long enough without drops long enough to >> say the kernel

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:06:27AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.12.10.2215 +0100]: > > I'm using a standard kernel, but I'm having problems with one of my > > disks (see below). > [...] > > > So is there a difference between Debian and standard kernels

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 06:30:02PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:52:03 lee wrote: > >But I'm wondering how many people have this problem. There are > >probably lots of people with SATA disks, and if most of them had this > >problem, it might have already he

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 16:21:26 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: [...] >>> The Debian kernel has some non-free (as in: source not available) >>> parts removed. There are also Debian-specific patc

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:52:03 lee wrote: >But I'm wondering how many people have this problem. There are >probably lots of people with SATA disks, and if most of them had this >problem, it might have already heen solved. If lots of people have >SATA disks but don't have this problem, I mig

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:16:24 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > Different interpretations of the GPLv2, I suppose. Linus seems fine with ... > Anyway, that's why Debian sometimes removes features from the vanilla > kernel -- the considered (voted on, IIRC) opinio

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:57:39 Ron Johnson wrote: >On 12/10/08 16:53, Celejar wrote: >> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: >> what's

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:10:16 Celejar wrote: >On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 > >"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: >> >what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that >> >comes as a Debian package?

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.12.10.2215 +0100]: > I'm using a standard kernel, but I'm having problems with one of my > disks (see below). [...] > So is there a difference between Debian and standard kernels so > that I might not have this problem if I'd use a Debian kernel? Has > thi

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 12/10/08 16:53, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the d

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:21:26 -0600 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 > > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: > >>> what's the difference betwe

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 04:05:26PM -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > >So is there a difference between Debian and standard kernels so that I > >might not have this problem if I'd use a Debian kernel? > > Not that I know of. Hm, maybe I'll just try one and see what happens. > Yeah, it's a

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Ron Johnson
On 12/10/08 16:10, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? The Debian kernel has some non

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:26 -0600 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: > >what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that > >comes as a Debian package? > > The Debian kernel has some non-free (as in: source not

Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Wednesday 2008 December 10 15:15:56 lee wrote: >what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that >comes as a Debian package? The Debian kernel has some non-free (as in: source not available) parts removed. There are also Debian-specific patches added. >So is there a differen

problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

2008-12-10 Thread lee
Hi, what's the difference between a standard kernel and a kernel that comes as a Debian package? I'm using a standard kernel, but I'm having problems with one of my disks (see below). The disk "gets lost" every now and then, i. e. it seems to take a couple days or weeks now (I've seen it taking a