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El Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:01:45 -0500, Hector Garcia escribió:

 Al parecer no son los únicos problemas.

 Desde ayer no he podido actualizar correctamente, se detiene el
 proceso con un error de configuración de util-linux (2.19.1-5). De
 hecho, sigo con el kernel 2.6.39-2-686-pae. Estoy probando si puede
 haber una solución por dependencias o si es algo de fuerza mayor.

 Aparte de reportar el fallo, ¿es recomendable en estos casos, esperar
 a que pase la tormenta?

 Mira en los registros de la actualización a ver qué puede estar pasando
 y por qué no se termina de instalar correctamente ese paquete.


 Hola Camaleón. Quizá este mensaje ya llegue fuera de contexto. (una
 disculpa, no he estado frente al correo)
 
 El registro de instalación habla de conflictos con unos scripts
 K01smfpd y smfpd
 Investigando un poco, vi que el smfpd es de la impresora samsung que
 tengo instalada,
 planteé esa información en el reporte de bug que hice
 
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638032

Uff, qué de problemitas vecinito, que diría Ned Flanders. Pero no parece 
nada grave, sólo un script mal diseñado.
 
 Aun no hay nada y, conforme el tiempo me lo permite, sigo investigando.
 Posiblemente si termine desinstalando la impresora, mientras, espero que
 se calmen un poco las aguas con los errores de la actualización :P

¿De dónde has sacado ese smfpd? ¿Lo necesitas? Ponte en contacto con el 
autor y explícale lo que pasa.

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[OT] Re: Test No Reply

El Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:03:04 -0400, LiC. YaSnIeL LóPeZ ArGüEz escribió:

 meta name=Generator content=Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)

U, ya decía yo qué era todo este mazacote sin sentido...

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Re: ¿Teléfonos con GNU/Linux? (SOLUCIONADO)

El Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:24:24 -0300, Angel Claudio Alvarez escribió:

 El jue, 18-08-2011 a las 11:46 +, Camaleón escribió:

 Por otra parte, no hay teléfonos con Linux sino con Android, del que
 las malas lenguas dicen que está bastante capado. Los teléfonos y las
 tabletas se me antojan muy limitados, al menos tal y como vienen de
 serie, son arquitecturas un tanto sui-generis.
 
 Si que los hay, yo tuve hace unos años un motorola Z6 con Linux

Supongo que te refieres a Motomagx, otro derivado de linux como Android. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOTOMAGX

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[OT] Re: Test No Reply

El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 01:11 +0200, Gerardo Diez escribió:
 Como usuario nuevo en la lista yo me pregunto, el uso de la lista como
 zona de pruebas y publicitaria ¿es habitual, o una mala coincidencia?


Lo dices como si cada día se mandara un correo de test, y en mi
experiencia no es así. De vez en cuando aparece alguno, pero no es
habitual para nada. Por cierto, en las news estaba explícitamente
permitido. Aquí, en cambio, el código de conducta de Debian lo
desaconseja.

Y respecto a la publicidad, ¿a que te refieres...? quiero decir que esta
es unan lista abierta, y si un spammer envía mierda pues...

un saludo

JulHer

P.D. DTM algún correo de test de vez en cuando va a ser lo más inocente
que te vas a encontrar aquí, así que mejor tomarlo con tranquilidad. 


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Compilar el kernel

Hola,

Necesito compilar el kernel actual de Debian wheezy activando algunas 
opciones para depurar un problema con la tarjeta inalámbrica y así poder 
enviar esta información a los desarrolladores.

No he compilado nunca antes el kernel, así que tengo que tirar de manual 
y he pensando seguir estos pasos:

8.6. Compiling a New Kernel
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en

¿Alguna sugerencia, advertencia o recomendación que deba tener en cuenta?

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Re: Compilar el kernel

2011-08-20 Thread Edgar Antonio Palma de la Cruz

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:43:11 + (UTC)
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola,
 
 Necesito compilar el kernel actual de Debian wheezy activando algunas 
 opciones para depurar un problema con la tarjeta inalámbrica y así
 poder enviar esta información a los desarrolladores.
 
 No he compilado nunca antes el kernel, así que tengo que tirar de
 manual y he pensando seguir estos pasos:
 
 8.6. Compiling a New Kernel
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
 
 ¿Alguna sugerencia, advertencia o recomendación que deba tener en
 cuenta?
 
 Saludos,
 

Que tal, si buscas depurar problemas con la wifi, ¿no te seria mas útil
bajar el source[1] para compilar los módulos?

Por cierto, si usas el script de ./scripts/driver_select puede que no
agarre el indicado, porque esta algo desactualizado.

Y si te avientas la compilación del kernel, te sugiero un buen libro y
una taza de café mientras acaba :P

[1] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download/stable/

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Re: Compilar el kernel

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:53:16 -0500, Edgar Antonio Palma de la Cruz
escribió:

 Necesito compilar el kernel actual de Debian wheezy activando algunas
 opciones para depurar un problema con la tarjeta inalámbrica y así
 poder enviar esta información a los desarrolladores.

(...)

 Que tal, si buscas depurar problemas con la wifi, ¿no te seria mas útil
 bajar el source[1] para compilar los módulos?

Pues no lo sé, yo hago lo que me dicen y si me dicen que necesitan un 
kernel con una configuración concreta activada pues eso hago. Ellos son 
los padres del driver, no yo :-)

(...)

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Re: Compilar el kernel

El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 09:43 +, Camaleón escribió:
 No he compilado nunca antes el kernel, así que tengo que tirar de
 manual 
 y he pensando seguir estos pasos:
 
 8.6. Compiling a New Kernel
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
 
 ¿Alguna sugerencia, advertencia o recomendación que deba tener en
 cuenta?
 
 

Pues no :)

Si lo haces (que no tienes obligación) a la Debian way verás que es
bastante aburrido (tres comandos y ya está). Si tienes una máquina
decente acabará rápido. Yo, por manía o costumbre de muchos años atrás,
siempre uso el make menuconfig (en modo texto) para configurarlo, aunque
también tienes disponible la configuración en modo gráfico para X e
incluso gnome.

Un saludo

JulHer



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Re: Compilar el kernel

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:45:29 +0200, julio escribió:

 El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 09:43 +, Camaleón escribió:
 No he compilado nunca antes el kernel, así que tengo que tirar de
 manual
 y he pensando seguir estos pasos:
 
 8.6. Compiling a New Kernel
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
 
 ¿Alguna sugerencia, advertencia o recomendación que deba tener en
 cuenta?
 
 
 
 Pues no :)

Mola :-P
 
 Si lo haces (que no tienes obligación) a la Debian way verás que es
 bastante aburrido (tres comandos y ya está). Si tienes una máquina
 decente acabará rápido. Yo, por manía o costumbre de muchos años atrás,
 siempre uso el make menuconfig (en modo texto) para configurarlo, aunque
 también tienes disponible la configuración en modo gráfico para X e
 incluso gnome.

Pues ya está compilando... empezó a las 13:46 y aún sigue (pobrico, es un 
atom con 2 GiB de ram, así que tampoco se le puede pedir mucho).

Al final he utilizado el menú en ncurses para la configuración porque me 
pedía bibliotecas de Qt3/4 y por ahí no paso :-) (me ha extrañado que no 
haya una interfaz gtk+)

Veremos cómo acaba esto, he mantenido todas las opciones predeterminadas 
y he añadido las opciones que necesitaba para depurar el driver wifi, no 
sé si llegará a iniciarse por falta de algún módulo o algo :-?

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Re: Compilar el kernel

2011-08-20 Thread Julio

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El 20/08/11 15:17, Camaleón escribió:
 Veremos cómo acaba esto, he mantenido todas las opciones predeterminadas 
 y he añadido las opciones que necesitaba para depurar el driver wifi, no 
 sé si llegará a iniciarse por falta de algún módulo o algo :-?
 

Que va... con las opciones predeterminadas tienes el kernel vainilla,
o sea, un mundo de módulos y dudo mucho que no arranque. En tiempos yo
me preparaba núcleos a medida para cada máquina, solo con los diverso
que necesitaba y compilado en estático, y haciéndolo a la Debian no
recuerdo ninguno que me fallara.

DTM si cuando lo instales no arranca, siempre puedes elegir el anterior
cuando te pregunte el grub.

Respecto a la configuración en gtk/gnome, creo recordar que se invocaba
con make gmenuconfig.

Un saludo

JulHer

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Re: Compilar el kernel

2011-08-20 Thread Julio

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El 20/08/11 17:00, Julio escribió:
 solo con los diverso
 que necesitaba y compilado en estático

...dito corrector ortográfico

s/diverso/drivers

Un saludo

JulHer

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Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:43:11 +, Camaleón escribió:

 Necesito compilar el kernel actual de Debian wheezy activando algunas
 opciones para depurar un problema con la tarjeta inalámbrica y así poder
 enviar esta información a los desarrolladores.
 
 No he compilado nunca antes el kernel, así que tengo que tirar de manual
 y he pensando seguir estos pasos:
 
 8.6. Compiling a New Kernel
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
 
 ¿Alguna sugerencia, advertencia o recomendación que deba tener en
 cuenta?

Bueno, primer problema (ya decía yo...) :-)

Después de... ¿¡6 horas!? compilando termina con este error:

  LD [M]  sound/usb/misc/snd-ua101.ko
  CC  sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.mod.o
  LD [M]  sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko
  CC  sound/usb/snd-usbmidi-lib.mod.o
  LD [M]  sound/usb/snd-usbmidi-lib.ko
  CC  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-us122l.mod.o
  LD [M]  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-us122l.ko
  CC  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-usx2y.mod.o
  LD [M]  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-usx2y.ko
make[1]: se sale del directorio `/usr/src/linux-source-3.0.0'
/usr/bin/makeARCH=i386 \
 -C Documentation/lguest
make: *** Documentation/lguest: No existe el fichero o el directorio.  
Alto.
make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2

Estoo... ¿no se habrá parado porque no encuentra el directorio de la 
documentación? Porque sería pa matarlo, vamos.

¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en la 
configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos opciones 
relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging.

(sí, ya sé que existe Google y encuentro un montón de entradas 
relacionadas con este error pero no puedo ir probando cada cosa que veo 
porque cada prueba me va a costar 6 horas... tengo que ir a por algo 
seguro o me puedo quedar calva esperando a que me aparezca otro error)

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Re: ¿Teléfonos con GNU/Linux? (SOLUCIONADO)

2011-08-20 Thread Orlando Nuñez

El 19 de agosto de 2011 06:47, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:33:17 -0430, Orlando Nuñez escribió:

  El 18 de agosto de 2011 07:16, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 (...)

  Por otra parte, no hay teléfonos con Linux sino con Android, del que
  las malas lenguas dicen que está bastante capado. Los teléfonos y las
  tabletas se me antojan muy limitados, al menos tal y como vienen de
  serie, son arquitecturas un tanto sui-generis.

  No te entiendo mucho Camaleon.

 Pues intento hablar en un lenguaje compresible :-P


Solo basta con dejar un poco lo coloquial ya que aquí somos personas de
distintos
países y si utilizo términos regionalistas seguro no me entenderás...


  Recuerda que estamos hablando de un teléfono, por ejemplo, existen
  muchas ROM liberadas,

 (...)

 Huy, para, para, para...

 A ver, si yo pago 600€ por un móvil no es para quitarle la garantía a los
 3 minutos de tenerlo. No, a ese juego del hackeo se puede jugar si
 ambas partes (fabricante y usuario) están de acuerdo en todos los
 términos del contrato pero los fabricantes no te cubren nada de lo que le
 hagas al móvil: si quieres mantener la garantía, el aparato es medio tuyo
 medio suyo y no hay más.


A ver no pasa algo parecido cuando instalas GNU/Linux en una PC de mas de
600€, o tu vas con tu Portátil nueva con tu Debian y les dice, mira que se
me daño
el sonido, vengo por garantía, mira el Rythmbox no suena

Ahora, con un teléfono pasa lo mismo, tu haces tu recovery, en caso de no
hacerlo,
hay métodos para poder llevarlo en caso de algún problema por garantía...



 Por eso no tengo el menor interés en los móviles, al final los
 fabricantes son los que controlan todo el cotarro (actualizaciones del
 sistema, programas y aplicaciones, funcionalidades y hasta tus datos, que
 ahora están todos en la nube).


Cada quien tiene derecho a pensar lo que le guste, seguro tu
correo electrónico esta en una
bóveda secreta jajajajajajajaja, esto definitivamente no vale la pena
discutirlo... Es medio irónico
que alguien que utilice correo electrónico diga esto...



 ¿Es posible cambiarlo? Sí, pero se pierde mucho tiempo en saltarse todas
 las restricciones y en hacer que funcione como quieres, tanto tiempo se
 pierde que antes de que instalarle nada al aparato ya ha salido un modelo
 nuevo que deja obsoleto al que tienes y así... no es plataforma de mi
 devoción.


Eso depende de tu habilidad, yo compre un cel y el mismo dia con un manual
sencillo, pude instalar
la ultima version, pero... de verdad no me fije si ese
mismo día mi teléfono quedara ya obsoleto
jajajajajajjajajajajaja, es broma vale, yo compre un teléfono de media
tirando a baja, porque cada quien
compra lo que puede, ademas tampoco pienso pagar mucho dinero por
un teléfono...



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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

2011-08-20 Thread Julio

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El 20/08/11 19:23, Camaleón escribió:
¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en la
configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos opciones
relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging.

Bueno, eso lo puedes evitar [2] con una ñapa que es configurar

CONFIG_LGUEST=n

en el make menuconfig

Y eso parece ser que es [1] por:

This because lguest is not anymore into ./Documentation, now is in
./Documentation/virtual

(sí, ya sé que existe Google y encuentro un montón de entradas
relacionadas con este error pero no puedo ir probando cada cosa que veo
porque cada prueba me va a costar 6 horas... tengo que ir a por algo
seguro o me puedo quedar calva esperando a que me aparezca otro error)

Quizás fuera más seguro intentarlo con un 2.6.39. Quizás ese 3.0 esté
algo verde...

En otro orden de cosas, ten en cuenta que estás compilando TODOS los
módulos, y por eso tarda tanto. Si dedicas algo de tiempo a quitar cosas
de la configuración que no necesites para nada, pues quizás mejore mucho
el tiempo que tarda en compilar.

[1] http://billy.com.mx/archives/660
[2]
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/cannot-compile-a-custom-3-0-0-debian-kernel-894798/

Un saludo

JulHer

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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 17:23 +, Camaleón escribió:
 make: *** Documentation/lguest: No existe el fichero o el
 directorio.  
 Alto.
 make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2
 
 Estoo... ¿no se habrá parado porque no encuentra el directorio de la 
 documentación? Porque sería pa matarlo, vamos.
 
 ¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en
 la configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos
 opciones relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging. 

Además de lo que comentaba en el otro correo, me surge una duda. ¿Que
kernel estás compilando, uno oficial de Debian o uno limpio de
kernel.org?

Las fuentes que deben compilar sin problemas están en este paquete:

linux-source-3.0.0 - Linux kernel source for version 3.0.0 with Debian
patches

No puedo ser de mucha ayuda ya que hasta el lunes no tengo acceso a una
máquina rápida...

Un saludo

JulHer




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Consulta por teléfono Motorola Zine Zn5 y Linux

2011-08-20 Thread Darío

Hola listeras/os, quería saber si alguien tiene dicho celular porque
aparentemente dicen que tiene SO Linux, no sé bien a qué se refiere con
eso por lo que averigué sólo dice SO basado en Linux. Es un celular
mediano que reproduce música en mp3 y tiene una muy buena cámara de
fotos, estoy buscando un celular porque el que tengo ya está está
bastante roto, y de paso consigo uno que tenga SO basado en linux, con
cámara y música.

Gracias.

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Re: Consulta por teléfono Motorola Zine Zn5 y Linux

2011-08-20 Thread SM Baby Siabef


El 20/08/11 21:40, Darío escribió:

Hola listeras/os, quería saber si alguien tiene dicho celular porque
aparentemente dicen que tiene SO Linux, no sé bien a qué se refiere con
eso por lo que averigué sólo dice SO basado en Linux. Es un celular
mediano que reproduce música en mp3 y tiene una muy buena cámara de
fotos, estoy buscando un celular porque el que tengo ya está está
bastante roto, y de paso consigo uno que tenga SO basado en linux, con
cámara y música.

Gracias.

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No lo tengo yo, pero según leo aquí

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoMagx

El SO que tiene es Motomagx, basado en núcleo Linux. Aunque fue 
descontinuado por Android y Windows Mobile en futuros terminales.


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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:50:37 +0200, Julio escribió:

 El 20/08/11 19:23, Camaleón escribió:
 ¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en
 la configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos
 opciones relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging.
 
 Bueno, eso lo puedes evitar [2] con una ñapa que es configurar
 
 CONFIG_LGUEST=n
 
 en el make menuconfig
 
 Y eso parece ser que es [1] por:
 
 This because lguest is not anymore into ./Documentation, now is in
 ./Documentation/virtual

Lo acabo de poner, a ver qué tal va.

 (sí, ya sé que existe Google y encuentro un montón de entradas
 relacionadas con este error pero no puedo ir probando cada cosa que veo
 porque cada prueba me va a costar 6 horas... tengo que ir a por algo
 seguro o me puedo quedar calva esperando a que me aparezca otro error)
 
 Quizás fuera más seguro intentarlo con un 2.6.39. Quizás ese 3.0 esté
 algo verde...

Es el kernel de wheezy :-?

 En otro orden de cosas, ten en cuenta que estás compilando TODOS los
 módulos, y por eso tarda tanto. Si dedicas algo de tiempo a quitar cosas
 de la configuración que no necesites para nada, pues quizás mejore mucho
 el tiempo que tarda en compilar.

Ya, bueno, pero no tengo experiencia con esto, no sabría decidir. En esta 
nueva tanda de compilación le he quitado lo de la virtualización pero a 
más no me atrevo, prefiero que sobre que no que falte. Lo dejaré esta 
noche compilando al pobre...

Gracias Julio.

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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:11:21 +0200, julio escribió:

 El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 17:23 +, Camaleón escribió:
 make: *** Documentation/lguest: No existe el fichero o el directorio.
 Alto.
 make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2
 
 Estoo... ¿no se habrá parado porque no encuentra el directorio de la
 documentación? Porque sería pa matarlo, vamos.
 
 ¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en
 la configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos
 opciones relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging.
 
 Además de lo que comentaba en el otro correo, me surge una duda. ¿Que
 kernel estás compilando, uno oficial de Debian o uno limpio de
 kernel.org?
 
 Las fuentes que deben compilar sin problemas están en este paquete:
 
 linux-source-3.0.0 - Linux kernel source for version 3.0.0 with Debian
 patches

Ese mismo. Yo sigo las instrucciones y eso pone en las instrucciones :-)
 
 No puedo ser de mucha ayuda ya que hasta el lunes no tengo acceso a una
 máquina rápida...

Ná, no te preocupes, muchas gracias por los apuntes.

Estaba pensando... ¿no se podría sacar un listado de los módulos del 
kernel actual y cargarlos en la configuración antes de compilar? Así 
seguro que no me quedo corta ni me equivoco... ¿O me estoy pasando de 
listilla O:-)?

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Re: ¿Teléfonos con GNU/Linux? (SOLUCIONADO)

El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:17:30 -0430, Orlando Nuñez escribió:

 El 19 de agosto de 2011 06:47, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
  Por otra parte, no hay teléfonos con Linux sino con Android, del que
  las malas lenguas dicen que está bastante capado. Los teléfonos y
  las tabletas se me antojan muy limitados, al menos tal y como vienen
  de serie, son arquitecturas un tanto sui-generis.

  No te entiendo mucho Camaleon.

 Pues intento hablar en un lenguaje compresible :-P


 Solo basta con dejar un poco lo coloquial ya que aquí somos personas de
 distintos
 países y si utilizo términos regionalistas seguro no me entenderás...

Coloquial vale, regionalista no. Analicemos...

malas lenguas:
1. f. pl. coloq. El común de los murmuradores y de los calumniadores de 
las vidas y acciones ajenas. Así lo dicen malas lenguas

capar:
2. tr. coloq. Disminuir o cercenar.

sui-generis:
1. loc. adj. Dicho de una cosa: De un género o especie muy singular y 
excepcional.

Todo está en la RAE, por si alguien tiene dudas :-)

  Recuerda que estamos hablando de un teléfono, por ejemplo, existen
  muchas ROM liberadas,

 (...)

 Huy, para, para, para...

 A ver, si yo pago 600€ por un móvil no es para quitarle la garantía a
 los 3 minutos de tenerlo. No, a ese juego del hackeo se puede jugar
 si ambas partes (fabricante y usuario) están de acuerdo en todos los
 términos del contrato pero los fabricantes no te cubren nada de lo que
 le hagas al móvil: si quieres mantener la garantía, el aparato es medio
 tuyo medio suyo y no hay más.


 A ver no pasa algo parecido cuando instalas GNU/Linux en una PC de mas
 de 600€, o tu vas con tu Portátil nueva con tu Debian y les dice, mira
 que se me daño
 el sonido, vengo por garantía, mira el Rythmbox no suena
 
 Ahora, con un teléfono pasa lo mismo, tu haces tu recovery, en caso de
 no hacerlo,
 hay métodos para poder llevarlo en caso de algún problema por
 garantía...

No, no pasa lo mismo y esto ya lo he comentado en otro hilo.

No pierdo la garantía del hardware de un PC por ponerle el sistema 
operativo que quiera, pero no pasa lo mismo con los móviles, están tan 
integrados que vete tú a llevar al taller a un móvil que no tenga el 
sistema que haya instalado el fabricante... te lo devuelven ipso facto.

 Por eso no tengo el menor interés en los móviles, al final los
 fabricantes son los que controlan todo el cotarro (actualizaciones del
 sistema, programas y aplicaciones, funcionalidades y hasta tus datos,
 que ahora están todos en la nube).


 Cada quien tiene derecho a pensar lo que le guste, seguro tu correo
 electrónico esta en una
 bóveda secreta jajajajajajajaja, 

¿?

Mi correo está en mi equipo... y la otra parte de mi correo está en los 
servidores de Gmail, que es la parte que está en otros tantos servidores 
que son los que mantienen los archivos de las listas de correo.

 esto definitivamente no vale la pena discutirlo... Es medio irónico
 que alguien que utilice correo electrónico diga esto...

¿?

No le veo relación al correo electrónico con lo que estamos hablando. Si 
te refieres a lo de la nube, no, no confío en la nube (vamos, que no 
confío en darle todos los datos a una empresa).

 ¿Es posible cambiarlo? Sí, pero se pierde mucho tiempo en saltarse
 todas las restricciones y en hacer que funcione como quieres, tanto
 tiempo se pierde que antes de que instalarle nada al aparato ya ha
 salido un modelo nuevo que deja obsoleto al que tienes y así... no es
 plataforma de mi devoción.


 Eso depende de tu habilidad, yo compre un cel y el mismo dia con un
 manual sencillo, pude instalar
 la ultima version, 

¿La última versión de qué, del mismo sistema limitado?

 pero... de verdad no me fije si ese mismo día mi
 teléfono quedara ya obsoleto jajajajajajjajajajajaja, es broma vale,
 yo compre un teléfono de media tirando a baja, porque cada quien
 compra lo que puede, ademas tampoco pienso pagar mucho dinero por un
 teléfono...

Más bien cada cual compra lo que puede... y lo que quiere.

Saludos,

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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 20:11 +, Camaleón escribió:
 Estaba pensando... ¿no se podría sacar un listado de los módulos del 
 kernel actual y cargarlos en la configuración antes de compilar? Así 
 seguro que no me quedo corta ni me equivoco... ¿O me estoy pasando de 
 listilla O:-)? 

Lo que si hacíamos con máquinas lentas para ahorrar el tiempo de la
compilación era conservar todos los objetos generados en anteriores
compilaciones para que no los volviera a generar, pero eso mejor hacerlo
en segundo curso :) 

De todas maneras me extraña mucho que una fuente oficial de Debian no
compile... así que el lunes intentaré probar a ver si compilan el 2.6.39
y el 3.0.0, a ver si veo al bicho.

Un saludo

JulHer



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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

2011-08-20 Thread Juan Antonio

El 20/08/11 22:09, Camaleón escribió:
 El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:50:37 +0200, Julio escribió:
 
 El 20/08/11 19:23, Camaleón escribió:
 ¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en
 la configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos
 opciones relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging.

 Bueno, eso lo puedes evitar [2] con una ñapa que es configurar

 CONFIG_LGUEST=n

 en el make menuconfig

 Y eso parece ser que es [1] por:

 This because lguest is not anymore into ./Documentation, now is in
 ./Documentation/virtual
 
 Lo acabo de poner, a ver qué tal va.
 
 (sí, ya sé que existe Google y encuentro un montón de entradas
 relacionadas con este error pero no puedo ir probando cada cosa que veo
 porque cada prueba me va a costar 6 horas... tengo que ir a por algo
 seguro o me puedo quedar calva esperando a que me aparezca otro error)

 Quizás fuera más seguro intentarlo con un 2.6.39. Quizás ese 3.0 esté
 algo verde...
 
 Es el kernel de wheezy :-?
 
 En otro orden de cosas, ten en cuenta que estás compilando TODOS los
 módulos, y por eso tarda tanto. Si dedicas algo de tiempo a quitar cosas
 de la configuración que no necesites para nada, pues quizás mejore mucho
 el tiempo que tarda en compilar.
 
 Ya, bueno, pero no tengo experiencia con esto, no sabría decidir. En esta 
 nueva tanda de compilación le he quitado lo de la virtualización pero a 
 más no me atrevo, prefiero que sobre que no que falte. Lo dejaré esta 
 noche compilando al pobre...
 
 Gracias Julio.
 
 Saludos,
 

Hola,

Si dejas un kernel pelado de opciones, es decir, unicamente con lo que
necesitas, lo notarás no solo en el tiempo de compilación, si no también
en el rendimiento general del sistema, realmente merece la pena echar un
rato leyendo las ayudas de las opciones e ir quitando las que no
necesitas, que son muchas.

Un saludo.

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mantener viva mi inteligencia natural y fuera de serie, tengo que comer
mucho


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Re: ¿Teléfonos con GNU/Linux? (SOLUCIONADO)

2011-08-20 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 08:41 +, Camaleón escribió:
 El Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:24:24 -0300, Angel Claudio Alvarez escribió:
 
  El jue, 18-08-2011 a las 11:46 +, Camaleón escribió:
 
  Por otra parte, no hay teléfonos con Linux sino con Android, del que
  las malas lenguas dicen que está bastante capado. Los teléfonos y las
  tabletas se me antojan muy limitados, al menos tal y como vienen de
  serie, son arquitecturas un tanto sui-generis.
  
  Si que los hay, yo tuve hace unos años un motorola Z6 con Linux
 
 Supongo que te refieres a Motomagx, otro derivado de linux como Android. 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOTOMAGX
 
No, flasheado con LinuxMod SP3  
 Saludos,
 
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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

2011-08-20 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El sáb, 20-08-2011 a las 17:23 +, Camaleón escribió:
 El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:43:11 +, Camaleón escribió:
 
  Necesito compilar el kernel actual de Debian wheezy activando algunas
  opciones para depurar un problema con la tarjeta inalámbrica y así poder
  enviar esta información a los desarrolladores.
  
  No he compilado nunca antes el kernel, así que tengo que tirar de manual
  y he pensando seguir estos pasos:
  
  8.6. Compiling a New Kernel
  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en
  
  ¿Alguna sugerencia, advertencia o recomendación que deba tener en
  cuenta?
 
 Bueno, primer problema (ya decía yo...) :-)
 
 Después de... ¿¡6 horas!? compilando termina con este error:
 
   LD [M]  sound/usb/misc/snd-ua101.ko
   CC  sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.mod.o
   LD [M]  sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko
   CC  sound/usb/snd-usbmidi-lib.mod.o
   LD [M]  sound/usb/snd-usbmidi-lib.ko
   CC  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-us122l.mod.o
   LD [M]  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-us122l.ko
   CC  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-usx2y.mod.o
   LD [M]  sound/usb/usx2y/snd-usb-usx2y.ko
 make[1]: se sale del directorio `/usr/src/linux-source-3.0.0'
 /usr/bin/makeARCH=i386 \
-C Documentation/lguest
 make: *** Documentation/lguest: No existe el fichero o el directorio.  
 Alto.
 make: *** [debian/stamp/build/kernel] Error 2
 
 Estoo... ¿no se habrá parado porque no encuentra el directorio de la 
 documentación? Porque sería pa matarlo, vamos.
 
 ¿Alguna idea? He seguido al pie de la letra los pasos del manual, y en la 
 configuración he dejado todo como estaba y sólo he añadido dos opciones 
 relacionadas con la depuración del los drivers staging.
 
 (sí, ya sé que existe Google y encuentro un montón de entradas 
 relacionadas con este error pero no puedo ir probando cada cosa que veo 
 porque cada prueba me va a costar 6 horas... tengo que ir a por algo 
 seguro o me puedo quedar calva esperando a que me aparezca otro error)
 

Como que cada error te  va a costar 6 horas??
Lo que ya se compilo, no se vuelve a compilar

Si podes conseguir el codigo fuente del driber compila solo el driver
con las opciones para debug

 Saludos,
 
 -- 
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Re: ¿Teléfonos con GNU/Linux? (SOLUCIONADO)

2011-08-20 Thread Orlando Nuñez

El 20 de agosto de 2011 16:23, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:17:30 -0430, Orlando Nuñez escribió:

  El 19 de agosto de 2011 06:47, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
   Por otra parte, no hay teléfonos con Linux sino con Android, del que
   las malas lenguas dicen que está bastante capado. Los teléfonos y
   las tabletas se me antojan muy limitados, al menos tal y como vienen
   de serie, son arquitecturas un tanto sui-generis.
 
   No te entiendo mucho Camaleon.
 
  Pues intento hablar en un lenguaje compresible :-P
 
 
  Solo basta con dejar un poco lo coloquial ya que aquí somos personas de
  distintos
  países y si utilizo términos regionalistas seguro no me entenderás...

 Coloquial vale, regionalista no. Analicemos...

 malas lenguas:
 1. f. pl. coloq. El común de los murmuradores y de los calumniadores de
 las vidas y acciones ajenas. Así lo dicen malas lenguas

 capar:
 2. tr. coloq. Disminuir o cercenar.

 sui-generis:
 1. loc. adj. Dicho de una cosa: De un género o especie muy singular y
 excepcional.

 Todo está en la RAE, por si alguien tiene dudas :-)

   Recuerda que estamos hablando de un teléfono, por ejemplo, existen
   muchas ROM liberadas,
 
  (...)
 
  Huy, para, para, para...
 
  A ver, si yo pago 600€ por un móvil no es para quitarle la garantía a
  los 3 minutos de tenerlo. No, a ese juego del hackeo se puede jugar
  si ambas partes (fabricante y usuario) están de acuerdo en todos los
  términos del contrato pero los fabricantes no te cubren nada de lo que
  le hagas al móvil: si quieres mantener la garantía, el aparato es medio
  tuyo medio suyo y no hay más.
 
 
  A ver no pasa algo parecido cuando instalas GNU/Linux en una PC de mas
  de 600€, o tu vas con tu Portátil nueva con tu Debian y les dice, mira
  que se me daño
  el sonido, vengo por garantía, mira el Rythmbox no suena
 
  Ahora, con un teléfono pasa lo mismo, tu haces tu recovery, en caso de
  no hacerlo,
  hay métodos para poder llevarlo en caso de algún problema por
  garantía...

 No, no pasa lo mismo y esto ya lo he comentado en otro hilo.

 No pierdo la garantía del hardware de un PC por ponerle el sistema
 operativo que quiera, pero no pasa lo mismo con los móviles, están tan
 integrados que vete tú a llevar al taller a un móvil que no tenga el
 sistema que haya instalado el fabricante... te lo devuelven ipso facto.


Intenta aqui en Venezuela llevar una PC que te vendieron con Windows y
llevarla
con Debian y te pasa lo mismo ipso facto


  Por eso no tengo el menor interés en los móviles, al final los
  fabricantes son los que controlan todo el cotarro (actualizaciones del
  sistema, programas y aplicaciones, funcionalidades y hasta tus datos,
  que ahora están todos en la nube).
 
 
  Cada quien tiene derecho a pensar lo que le guste, seguro tu correo
  electrónico esta en una
  bóveda secreta jajajajajajajaja,

 ¿?

 Mi correo está en mi equipo... y la otra parte de mi correo está en los
 servidores de Gmail, que es la parte que está en otros tantos servidores
 que son los que mantienen los archivos de las listas de correo.

  esto definitivamente no vale la pena discutirlo... Es medio irónico
  que alguien que utilice correo electrónico diga esto...

 ¿?

 No le veo relación al correo electrónico con lo que estamos hablando. Si
 te refieres a lo de la nube, no, no confío en la nube (vamos, que no
 confío en darle todos los datos a una empresa).


Piensa un poco mas.. vamos...


  ¿Es posible cambiarlo? Sí, pero se pierde mucho tiempo en saltarse
  todas las restricciones y en hacer que funcione como quieres, tanto
  tiempo se pierde que antes de que instalarle nada al aparato ya ha
  salido un modelo nuevo que deja obsoleto al que tienes y así... no es
  plataforma de mi devoción.
 
 
  Eso depende de tu habilidad, yo compre un cel y el mismo dia con un
  manual sencillo, pude instalar
  la ultima version,

 ¿La última versión de qué, del mismo sistema limitado?


La ultima version del sistema operativo, vamos, piensa, o que podemos hablar
de
instalarle al telefono??? Sistema Operativo estamos hablando de eso...


  pero... de verdad no me fije si ese mismo día mi
  teléfono quedara ya obsoleto jajajajajajjajajajajaja, es broma vale,
  yo compre un teléfono de media tirando a baja, porque cada quien
  compra lo que puede, ademas tampoco pienso pagar mucho dinero por un
  teléfono...

 Más bien cada cual compra lo que puede... y lo que quiere.

 Saludos,

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Re: ¿Teléfonos con GNU/Linux? (SOLUCIONADO)

2011-08-20 Thread Fernando C. Estrada

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 06:01:21PM -0400, Orlando Nuñez wrote:
 El 20 de agosto de 2011 16:23, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
  El Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:17:30 -0430, Orlando Nuñez escribió:
   El 19 de agosto de 2011 06:47, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
  Mi correo está en mi equipo... y la otra parte de mi correo está en los
  servidores de Gmail, que es la parte que está en otros tantos servidores
  que son los que mantienen los archivos de las listas de correo.
 
   esto definitivamente no vale la pena discutirlo... Es medio irónico
   que alguien que utilice correo electrónico diga esto...
 
  ¿?
 
  No le veo relación al correo electrónico con lo que estamos hablando. Si
  te refieres a lo de la nube, no, no confío en la nube (vamos, que no
  confío en darle todos los datos a una empresa).
 
 Piensa un poco mas.. vamos...

Comparto tu punto de vista en el tema sin embargo no comparto tu falta
de respeto.

Saludos y buen día,
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Re: Problemas al compilar (era: Compilar el kernel)

2011-08-20 Thread Juan Lavieri

Hola Super amiga

El 20/08/11, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 Estaba pensando... ¿no se podría sacar un listado de los módulos del
 kernel actual y cargarlos en la configuración antes de compilar? Así
 seguro que no me quedo corta ni me equivoco... ¿O me estoy pasando de
 listilla O:-)?

 Saludos,

 --
 Camaleón

En el directorio boot tienes el config que te genera el menuconfig
guarda una copi y resliza tus cambios con confianza y si te llega a
faltar algo, bastará con una comparación de ambos archivos (son de
texto plano) para localizar lo que falte.  En cuanto a qué significa
cada cosa que quites o pongas, wikipedia es una excelente guía, en
español e inglés.

Toma en cuenta lo que te sugirió Juan Antonio y el hecho de que la
configuración del kernel que vayas depurando la puedes ir usando con
nuevas versiones.

Gracias por permitirnos ayudarte como abono por todos los aportes que has hecho.

Saludos

Juan


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debian install mirror does not support the specified release

2011-08-20 Thread Jose Medrano

Alguien sabe si los repos de debian squeeze x64 estan fallando?
Al momento de querer realizar una instalacion de sistema en un nuevop equipo
obtengo el error:
debian install mirror does not support the specified release
Probe con tres imagenes:
Una NetInst descargada hoy, una de hace un mes y un el debian cd1.

Si estan fallando entonces la otra opcion es esperar a que vuelvan a estar
en linea?
O instalar el sistema basico y luego jalar el de consola?
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Re: Qual a melhor versão para servidor?

2011-08-20 Thread Fagner Patricio

Olá Fabiano!

Olha, não sei se você tem esperiência com virtualização, mas te recomendo
muito forte usar o Debian 6 mais recenter com KVM + Virt Manager, e
virtualizar seus serviços, vai lhe economizar muito trabalho, inclusive de
migração futura!!

Posso ajudar se estiver interessado, uso aqui no trabalho com muito sucesso!

Em 16 de agosto de 2011 10:42, Gustavo Soares [SLot]
slot...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Então utilize o links2 com a opção -g .



 Em 16-08-2011 16:16, Fabiano de Almeida escreveu:

  Obrigado pela dica. Testei o w3m, ele é bem parecido com o lynx, que ja
 utilizo com certa facilidade em algumas pesquisas rápidas principalmente no
 VOL, mas como falei no começo da thread, a interface web de administração do
 modem adsl é inviável por browser modo linha de texto, mesmo com o w3m não
 consigo nem fazer a autenticação na interface. Por isso a necessidade de
 interface gráfica para usar browser comum (iceweasel ou equivalente).

 Grato,

 Fabiano de Almeida

 Em 15-08-2011 09:45, P. J. escreveu:

 Olá,

 Em 13 de agosto de 2011 16:15, Fabiano de Almeida
 fa.gru...@yahoo.com.br  escreveu:

  Qual a melhor versão atualmente do Debian para esse uso? Da pra ter
 interface gráfica light? uso muito a shell, mas tem hora que faz falta a
 interface gráfica, por exemplo usar o browser pra checar o modem (lynx
 pra
 isso foi horrível).

 Sds,

 Nunca usei o lynx, mas eu já experimentei o w3m... veja se é mais
 amigável

 $ aptitude show w3m
 Package: w3m
 State: installed
 Automatically installed: no
 Version: 0.5.3-3
 Priority: standard
 Section: web
 Maintainer: Tatsuya Kinoshitat...@debian.org
 Uncompressed Size: 2,109 k
 Depends: libc6 (= 2.7), libgc1c2 (= 1:7.1), libgpm2 (= 1.20.4),
 libncurses5
  (= 5.5-5~), libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.0), zlib1g (= 1:1.1.4)
 Recommends: ca-certificates
 Suggests: w3m-img, mime-support, menu (  1.5), w3m-el, man-db, migemo
 Conflicts: w3m-ssl
 Replaces: w3m-ssl, w3mmee
 Provides: www-browser
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  w3m is a text-based World Wide Web browser with IPv6 support. It
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  * You can follow links and/or view images in HTML.
  * Internet message preview mode, you can browse HTML mail.
  * You can follow links in plain text if it includes URL forms.
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Configuração de modem usb.

2011-08-20 Thread Cleber Ianes


Saudações.
Tenho um modem Huawei (Não dá pra ver o modelo agora pq ele está ligado 
no note com rWindows compartilhando internet para o Desk, mas o modelo 
não será relevante agora) com plano de internet da claro.

Quero colocar esse modem para funcionar no meu Desk com Debian64.
Mas além de colocá-lo para funcionar quero entender o funcionamento para 
que eu possa colocar qualquer outro modelo de modem usb, então não quero 
receita de bolo para esse modelo.

O problema é que não sei bem por onde começar.
Vi alguns artigos que dizem que o modem deve ser reconhecido 
automaticamente como /dev/ttyS0, mas isso não ocorre com o meu, já 
verifique a existência do módulo usbserial e está carregado.

Preciso de material que detalhe melhor o funcionamento de usb como serial.
Alguém tem ou sabe onde consigo material técnico sobre o assunto? Em 
português, preferencialmente.


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Re: Configuração de modem usb.

2011-08-20 Thread edmarcos

Bem, pra poder lhe responder é importante saber qual versão de linux
você está usando.

Caso seja debian 6.0 (squeeze) ou ubuntu 11.04 é muito provável que
apenas seja conectar e usar.

Mande mais informações do que vc já fez e erros que teve.

Em Sáb, 2011-08-20 às 17:59 -0300, Cleber Ianes escreveu:
 Saudações.
 Tenho um modem Huawei (Não dá pra ver o modelo agora pq ele está ligado 
 no note com rWindows compartilhando internet para o Desk, mas o modelo 
 não será relevante agora) com plano de internet da claro.
 Quero colocar esse modem para funcionar no meu Desk com Debian64.
 Mas além de colocá-lo para funcionar quero entender o funcionamento para 
 que eu possa colocar qualquer outro modelo de modem usb, então não quero 
 receita de bolo para esse modelo.
 O problema é que não sei bem por onde começar.
 Vi alguns artigos que dizem que o modem deve ser reconhecido 
 automaticamente como /dev/ttyS0, mas isso não ocorre com o meu, já 
 verifique a existência do módulo usbserial e está carregado.
 Preciso de material que detalhe melhor o funcionamento de usb como serial.
 Alguém tem ou sabe onde consigo material técnico sobre o assunto? Em 
 português, preferencialmente.
 
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video sem X

2011-08-20 Thread caio ferreira

Lista

Alguém por acaso saberia me dizer se é possível visualizar um vídeo
com o mplayer sem que o X esteja ativado? Se sim, por que termo eu
devo pesquisar na internet?

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Re: video sem X

2011-08-20 Thread Marcos Carraro

Boa Noite...

Cara, acho brabo tu conseguir rodar qualquer aplicativo
video,game,musicas,flash... pelo modo texto...

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Re: video sem X

2011-08-20 Thread Tux Little

Marcos, não é da sua época, da geração mouse, mas eu via imagens no terminal 
usando o fbi. E tem ate hj no debian. 





Caio, você provavelmente irá procurar por framebuffer video console linux. 



Um link de como usar o mplayer para rodar videos sem a existencia do X: (nao 
testei aqui)



http://devel.reinikainen.net/62



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Boa Noite...

Cara, acho brabo tu conseguir rodar qualquer aplicativo 
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Re: video sem X

2011-08-20 Thread Fabiano Pires

Na verdade não ... Basta habilitar o framebuffer [1] e utilizar o
mplayer. Existem outros aplicativos pra utilizar em modo texto. Veja
os pacotes:

caca-utils (visualizador de imagens)
links2 (navegador, com suporte a imagens, execute com links2 -g)
mplayer (player de vídeos)
alsa-utils (contém os programas alsamixer e amixer, que controlam o
volume da placa de som, via interface ncurses e linha de comando
respectivamente)

Pra videos como o youtube, você pode utilizar um programa como o
youtube downloader [2],  que baixar arquivo SWF e converter com o
mplayer. Talvez o mplayer toque SWFs direto sem conversão, não sei ...

[1] Artigo sobre o framebuffer
http://pragasdigitais.blogspot.com/2011/05/linux-framebuffer-vesafb-console-alta.html

[2] Youtube Downloader (precisa do Python)
http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/


Abraços,
Fabiano.

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Re: How to read .so lib file

2011-08-20 Thread lina

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:26 AM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote:
 first, there's a #re channel on freenode that might be able to help
 you better. though, i'd first brush up on my assembly and gdb before
 looking there :)

#re channel on freenode?


 basically, you can link a program against a library (or find a program
 that calls a library - ldd or strace come to mind), open it up with
 gdb, run it, disassemble it, and then step through it and look at how
 registers change. but, if you have no idea what a library is for, i
 don't know how you'd link against it to start that process

 also, you might look at 'Lenas Reversing for Newbies' it is mainly
 windows, but same concepts.

Thanks.


 all that said, i have a feeling i've misunderstood your question or
 you have no idea what a linkable library is (for)?

I am afraid so. I tried to google a linkable library.


 On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 15:36, Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Aug 19, 2011, at 0:57, Wayne Topa linux...@gmail.com wrote:


 Putting this back on the list.  It is against DU Code of Conduct to reply to
 list messages off list unless asked to.

 Others may have the same question and it is unfair to them to take it off
 list.




 On 08/18/2011 12:37 PM, lina wrote:

 Hi,

 I don't know how to read the .so file under /usr/lib/

 the Binary file.


 Then it probably will not help you but you can read a binary file by using
 'more', instead of 'less' but you wont be able to understand it.

 SORRY I missed typed I meant to write most , NOT more

 Then how does someone can use some bash script or sed command work  on
 .so file without reading it.

 They don't.  .so files are library files and users do not normally do
 ANYTHING to them other them use them.

 Try using most filename.whatever.so to read them and you will see why I said
 you would not understand it.


 I tried cat, all unreadable.
 cat, less and more are used to read ASCII files.  see man most

 Here is a small example:
  most  /lib/libproc-3.2.8.so
 0x: 7F454C46 02010100       .ELF
 0x0010: 03003E00 0100 B041      ...°A..
 0x0020: 4000  801E0100      @...
 0x0030:  40003800 06004000 1D001C00     @.8...@.
 0x0040: 0100 0500       
 0x0050:         
 0x0060: 74060100  74060100      t...t...
 0x0070: 2000  0100 0600     .. .
 0x0080: 00100100  00102100      ..!.
 0x0090: 00102100  840D      ..!.
 0x00A0: 583D0100  2000      X= .
 0x00B0: 0200 0600 40170100      @...
 0x00C0: 40172100  40172100      @.!.@.!.
 0x00D0: E001  E001      à...à...
 0x00E0: 0800  0400 0400     
 0x00F0: 9001  9001      
 0x0100: 9001  2400      $...
 0x0110: 2400  0400      $...
 0x0120: 50E57464 0400 B8F7      Påtd¸÷..
 0x0130: B8F7  B8F7      ¸÷..¸÷..
 0x0140: E402  E402      ä...ä...
 0x0150: 0400  51E57464 0600     Qåtd
 0x0160:         
 0x0170:         
 0x0180:   0800      
 0x0190: 0400 1400 0300 474E5500     GNU.
 0x01A0: 0AF01829 963B92EE 4123DA14 E0EBADCE     .ð.).;.îA#Ú.àëÎ
 0x01B0: 2D19665C  8300 9900     -.f\

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Re: Just a Quick Question

2011-08-20 Thread Bob Proulx

RiverWind wrote:
 Ok, so I do indeed have an ssh server, and I am able to ssh into
 my ISP's shell account. However, I can not ssh over to my linux box.
 In other words, I can get out but not in.

Out uses ssh client.  In uses ssh server.

Start back at the list at step 4 or before and see where things work
and not work.  Then don't say doesn't work but instead show us
exactly the commands you are issuing and the exact output that you are
experiencing.  We can't help you otherwise.

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PAE Kernel to generic

2011-08-20 Thread Sudheendra .

Dear All,

recently, I have upgraded kernel version from 2.6.32 to 2.6.39 through
synaptic on my laptop.
Now, not able to compile ALSa package as it says that no kernel module
found. after searching in google, i found out that this is because of *pae
kernel* which required for the system more than 4GB Ram.

I have 2 GB Ram and i need to switch back to generic kernel version,

how i could do that?

Regards,
Sudhi

Re: how can I obtain the old fglrx_drv.so?

2011-08-20 Thread Johan Grönqvist


2011-08-20 07:43, lina skrev:

I found the fglrx_drv.so from version 11-6-3 and substitute the
present 11-7- one.

There is a script I downloaded which could help to get rid of the
watermark which showed AMD unsupported hardware.

The script is as followed, it's targeted on the old fglrx_drv.so,

#!/bin/sh
DRIVER=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
for x in $(objdump -d $DRIVER|awk '/call//EnableLogo/{print
\\x$2\\x$3\\x$4\\x$5\\x$6}'); do
  sed -i s/$x/\x90\x90\x90\x90\x90/g $DRIVER
done

while for the version after 11-7-* when I used it, it showed:

$ ./ATI_driver_fglrx.sh
sed: -e expression #1, char 45: Unmatched [ or [^

is it possible to compare the two fglrx_drv.so, and modify this script
to fit for the new one, so can remove the water mark.




Certainly. The script looks at the .so file as a text file, locates a 
certain character pattern (using awk), and replaces every occurence of 
that pattern (using sed) by a pattern spacified by 
\x90\x90\x90\x90\x90. I do not know enough about awk nor about the 
structure of .so files to say how to change it though.


Simplified working of the script:

The line for x in $(objdump -d $DRIVER|awk '/call//EnableLogo/{print
\\x$2\\x$3\\x$4\\x$5\\x$6}'); says for every item in the 
result of running the awk command, name the item x and then go on.


The line sed -i s/$x/\x90\x90\x90\x90\x90/g $DRIVER says replace the 
contents of x (refered to as $x) by \x90\x90\x90\x90\x90 everywhere in 
the file $DRIVER (defined in the script to be the .so file).


I guess the error message says that sed has a problem finding $x in the 
file $DRIVER.


You could either study the effect of the script in the case it works 
and, try to manually make the same changes to the case where the script 
fails, or read some basics of awk and sed, and understand what is done, 
and then do it yourself.


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Re: Hardware failure: power-off

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:41:36 +0200, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:

 On 08/19/2011 09:10 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 Also check the hardware monitor section of the BIOS, if possible, they
 will give you an accurate measure. You can also check the output of
 acpi -V to find out additional data for trip points (is available).
 
 Is it a laptop or a desktop computer?
 
 It's a laptop. I couldn't find a hardware monitor in the BIOS. 

Hum, yes, laptops suck for this, I mean, their BIOS are so limited that 
look useless :-/

 Also I can't find the 'acpi' command, not even with apt-file.

ACPI is a package. I got it installed on both, desktops and laptops 
computers.

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/acpi

On desktops, acpi -V displays little information but on laptops you can 
get useful values for CPU temperature, thermal trip points, fans and 
battery status. OTOH, lm-sensors can be also an option, as you said 
before, but this program has to be first tweaked to get usable and 
accurate values.

 By your explanation, yep, looks like the micro is reaching a high
 temperature and it shutdowns to avoid damage. Keep the system running
 with the BIOS screen opened and watch fans speed rotation and system
 temps... and keep it so for a while to see if it also powers-off.
 
 I opened the laptop and cleaned the fan's airduct. Then the laptop was
 stable for many hours.
 
 But. Before going to sleep, I activated a 3D screensaver. When I woke-up
 the laptop had powered-off again.
 
 When using glxgears, the CPU cores' temperature skyrockets very fast,
 and the fan becomes very noisy.
 
 I missed something, something I didn't clean. Do you think I can resolve
 this on my own (I am abroad), or should I pay a technician when I get
 home?

I would first look for a BIOS update if available, but yes, if you have 
no previous experience on laptops cleaning (while this a common task I 
always do by myself on desktops/servers is something I never did before 
on laptops) I would consider bringing the computer to the service support 
so they take a look (consider doing a full backup of your hard disk, just 
in case they break something...). 

It can be the fan that just needs to be replaced (maybe this is something 
you can try yourself) but it also can be the heatsink of the processor, 
that needs to be fully cleaned or even replaced with a new one, and this 
task can be tricky, depending on your computer brand/model.

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Re: ALSA fail on wheezy.

2011-08-20 Thread Brian

On Fri 19 Aug 2011 at 17:49:06 -0400, R. Clayton wrote:

[Useful detail snipped]

   $ cat /proc/asound/cards
   29 [ThinkPadEC ]: ThinkPad EC - ThinkPad Console Audio Control
 ThinkPad Console Audio Control at EC reg 0x30, fw 
 unknown

The 'fw unknown' is bothersome. I'd take 'fw' to be 'firmware'.

The Debian Wiki is often very useful:

http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx


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Re: PAE Kernel to generic

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:16:01 +0530, Sudheendra . wrote:

 recently, I have upgraded kernel version from 2.6.32 to 2.6.39 through
 synaptic on my laptop.
 Now, not able to compile ALSa package as it says that no kernel module
 found. after searching in google, i found out that this is because of
 *pae kernel* which required for the system more than 4GB Ram.

Hum... you will need to install the corresponding packages (header, 
symbols or whatever it requires) for your pae kernel in order to be able 
to compile things.

 I have 2 GB Ram and i need to switch back to generic kernel version,

My nebook also has a hardware limit of 2 GiB but I still use the PAE 
kernel. PAE kernel is not only convenient for more than 4 GiB of ram but 
is also enables SMP (multi-processing) and NX bit (a security measure). 
In brief, just keep it as is :-)

 how i could do that?

AFAIK, the latest kernel remain installed on your system unless you 
excplicitely removed, at least when it was an upgrade. Anyway, you can 
reinstall whatever kernel you prefer just like you install other packages.

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Re: Hardware failure: power-off

El 2011-08-20 a las 12:34 +0200, Panayiotis Karabassis escribió:

(resending to the list)

 Thank you again!
 
 $ acpi -V
 Battery 0: Full, 100%
 Battery 0: design capacity 4400 mAh, last full capacity 3558 mAh = 80%
 Adapter 0: on-line
 Thermal 0: ok, 58.8 degrees C
 Thermal 0: trip point 0 switches to mode critical at temperature 199.8
 degrees C
 Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 10
 Cooling 1: Processor 0 of 10
 
 There is no way the temperature reached 199.8 degrees C!

Not al all :-}

Trip points are temperature levels triggers that activate preventive 
mesaures when they are reached (like powering-off the system or make 
your fans run faster). But 199.8℃ looks of course wrong, even for an 
ultra-low consumption microprocessor is a very high value, so there is a 
bug on acpi package/kernel or your BIOS is delivering wrong values that makes 
acpi goes nuts :-)

Try a BIOS update, if possible.

 All my important data is on my desktop PC.
 
 I'll probably take it to the service center. There my a problem with the
 thermal glue on the processor + plus all those you described yourself.
 
 Thanks again!

You're welcome.

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Re: Lost wifi connection

2011-08-20 Thread Brian

On Fri 19 Aug 2011 at 21:50:11 +0200, Stefan Rutzinger wrote:

[Snip]

 # cat /var/log/messages
 kernel: [  363.852630] cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory
 domain
 kernel: [  374.473765] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0:
 link is not ready
 kernel: [  375.484569] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE):
 wlan0: link becomes ready

More detail is necessary to see what is going on. /var/log/syslog the
next time the connection is dropped should provide it.

[Snip]

 Does anybody know about such a behaviour?

It happens. Knowing what you have used to set up wifi might be helpful.


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Re: Problem upgrade Kernel on DNS323

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:54:08 +0200, Michael Ott wrote:

 I got the following output when I try to update my DNS323. Can anybody
 help me?
 
 Thanks in advance

(...)

 Can't find /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.39-2-orion5x and
 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-2-orion5x

(...)

There was a bug for a similar problem, look:

linux-image-2.6.38-2-ixp4xx fails to install
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628136

Not sure if that tells you something or can help you with your issue :-?

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How do I partition a 250 gb drive for a dual boot setup?

2011-08-20 Thread sdc

Greetings! I have been using a debian based distro for about 6 months. I
want to switch to Debian as I consider the project more professional and not
bloated.


Unfortunately I have to use Windows 7 as well so I need to setup a dual
boot. This dual boot setup will run on a laptop with a 250 GB HDD and a
Broadcom BCM4312(I tried installing debian 6 some while ago but had no
network driver. I imagine that I need to download it using another computer
then installing it on the laptop. From where can I get it?)


My biggest concern is the fact that I don't know how many partitions to make
for Debian and how large. I was thinking about making a windows partition of
100gb and the rest go to Debian. Please, if it's possible provide me with a
partition scheme (that much for root, that much for swap, etc) and
instructions of how to set the dualboot laptop up and running.





Thank you and if you need other details please tell me.



PS:I apologize if the content of the mail has already been discussed. I
don't know how to search on a mail list. Also, I do know there is GOOOGLE
but as a beginner I thought it was more advised to come here and ask
questions that can help me solve this specific issue.

Re: cannot find and install some dev packages

2011-08-20 Thread H.S.

On 20/08/11 01:42 AM, Johan Grönqvist wrote:
 2011-08-20 06:08, H.S. skrev:
 Hello.

 I am trying to install the following dev packages but aptitude keeps
 telling me it can't find them:
 libopencv-highgui-dev
 libglew1.5-dev

 The package's developer information, however, lists them (I have Testing
 on an amd64).

 Could somebody tell me what I am missing here?

 
 Where do you find them listed?

http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libhighgui-dev
http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libglew1.5-dev

 
 I find it (the first one you mention) as being available in
 experimental, not in testing, and I also see that in my package manager.

Yeah, its developer page says it should have entered in testing now.


 
 Do you have a line for experimental packages in your
 /etc/apt/sources.list ?

No yet, but I was seriously considering including unstable or
experimental sources in sources.list.

 
 (In case you did not know, you should be careful when upgrading parts of
 your system to experimental, unless you know what you are doing.)

I have done it in the past a few times, usually under similar circumstances.

Thanks.




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Re: How do I partition a 250 gb drive for a dual boot setup?

2011-08-20 Thread Walter Hurry

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:54:55 -1200, sdc wrote:

 Greetings! I have been using a debian based distro for about 6 months. I
 want to switch to Debian as I consider the project more professional and
 not bloated.
 
 
 Unfortunately I have to use Windows 7 as well so I need to setup a dual
 boot. This dual boot setup will run on a laptop with a 250 GB HDD and a
 Broadcom BCM4312(I tried installing debian 6 some while ago but had no
 network driver. I imagine that I need to download it using another
 computer then installing it on the laptop. From where can I get it?)
 
 
 My biggest concern is the fact that I don't know how many partitions to
 make for Debian and how large. I was thinking about making a windows
 partition of 100gb and the rest go to Debian. Please, if it's possible
 provide me with a partition scheme (that much for root, that much for
 swap, etc) and instructions of how to set the dualboot laptop up and
 running.

For a beginner, probably the easiest way is:

1) Install Windows
2) Use Windows to shrink your Windows partition to 100M. Leave the 
remaining space unpartitioned.
3) Install Debian, and tell it to use free disk space. It will do its 
thing for you.
4) Google 'Broadcom BCM4312 + Debian' and look at the first result. 
Sheesh.



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Distiling Services Properties.

2011-08-20 Thread Lama Dia

Good Day I  am Lama Dia  and  a former  member of  the ousted Goverment Of 
Hosni Mubarak Of Eygpt. I wish  to invest in Distiling Services  
Properties.You can reach me on my email address  for  further details.Regards 
Lama Dia.

Re: How do I partition a 250 gb drive for a dual boot setup?

2011-08-20 Thread Brian

On Sat 20 Aug 2011 at 01:54:55 -1200, sdc wrote:

 Unfortunately I have to use Windows 7 as well so I need to setup a dual
 boot. This dual boot setup will run on a laptop with a 250 GB HDD and a
 Broadcom BCM4312(I tried installing debian 6 some while ago but had no
 network driver. I imagine that I need to download it using another computer
 then installing it on the laptop. From where can I get it?)

http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi

Install to the laptop with a cabled connection. Set up the BCM4312 from
within Debian.

 My biggest concern is the fact that I don't know how many partitions to make
 for Debian and how large. I was thinking about making a windows partition of
 100gb and the rest go to Debian. Please, if it's possible provide me with a
 partition scheme (that much for root, that much for swap, etc) and
 instructions of how to set the dualboot laptop up and running.

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual

Start the installer in expert mode. Shrink the Windows partition and
partition using the Manual option. Putting Debian on a single partition
saves you thinking about wasted space or having sufficient space on a
partition. Alternatively, have / as 10/20GB and use the remainder for
/home. 1-2GB would be suficient for swap.

GRUB will detect Windows when it is installed to the mbr.


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Re: sudoers tty defaults (Re: Changing Users in a script)

2011-08-20 Thread Tom H

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@lavabit.com wrote:
 On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:33:58 -0400, Tom H wrote:

 sudo -L lists the full list of Defaults. I'd be very surprised if
 even one of these isn't set.

 Then prepare for a surprise. Vanilla /etc/sudoers in Squeeze:

 # /etc/sudoers

 Defaults        env_reset

Thanks. The big surprised isn't that they aren't set, it's that I was
talking COMPLETE rubbish - and have been using it :( - when I said
that 'sudo -L lists the full list of Defaults'.

I've just re-read the sudoers man page (after a VERY long time),
thinking that it would help me refudiate the fact that the
Defaults line had some in-built, unlisted defaults, when in fact,
I've been misusing sudo -L for more years than I care to remember...

Thanks for the correction!


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Re: cannot find and install some dev packages

2011-08-20 Thread Johan Grönqvist


2011-08-20 16:06, H.S. skrev:

On 20/08/11 01:42 AM, Johan Grönqvist wrote:

2011-08-20 06:08, H.S. skrev:

Hello.

I am trying to install the following dev packages but aptitude keeps
telling me it can't find them:
libopencv-highgui-dev
libglew1.5-dev

The package's developer information, however, lists them (I have Testing
on an amd64).

Could somebody tell me what I am missing here?



Where do you find them listed?


http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libhighgui-dev
http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libglew1.5-dev


Ah, yes, under that name I see it in testing. Then I have no idea why 
you do not see it, as it seems to have entered testing two weeks ago, 
and I see it here:


root@johan-laptop:/home/johan# apt-cache policy libhighgui.dev
libhighgui-dev:
  Installerad: (ingen)
  Kandidat:2.1.0-7
  Versionstabell:
 2.3.0-0exp4 0
 50 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main amd64 
Packages

 2.1.0-7 0
700 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages
450 http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages


/ johan


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Re: setting up a static IP address

2011-08-20 Thread Tom H

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Steve Kleene sk...@syrano.acb.uc.edu wrote:
 On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:32:42 -0500, Selim T. Erdogan wrote:

 (I also have dns-nameservers lines in my eth0 stanza in /e/n/i.
 IIRC, when I didn't, using dynamic wireless connections kept clobbering
 the static DNS entries in /etc/resolv.conf.)

 That's interesting, because on one my machines resolv.conf gets nulled out
 during the boot process.  I hacked around that by putting it back via
 /etc/rc.local.  I'll try the better solution you suggest.

Rather than re-writing /etc/resolv.conf through /etc/rc.local or
set it to immutable, you can edit /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf not to
request DNS server settings from the DHCP server with a supercede
statement.


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Am I obliged to compile the kernel to compile a module?

2011-08-20 Thread abdelkader belahcene

Hi,
I write  a module.c  and want to add to the kernel.

I downloaded the corresponding source ( linux-3.0.tar.bz2), and put it in
in /usr/src/linux-3.0
in the makefile for my modle I tried

 make -C   /usr/src/linux-3.0 M=$(PWD) modules

It failed , it looked for  something like /lib/modules/3.0/build

 How to create this directory (build) ?

Am I obliged to compile the kernel ?

thanks for help

Re: Am I obliged to compile the kernel to compile a module?

2011-08-20 Thread Walter Hurry

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:04:59 +0200, abdelkader belahcene wrote:

 snip same question repeated 

Polite request: Please refrain from starting multiple threads for the 
same question.



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Bonding of two or more DSL connections, possibly multiple ISPs with a data center grade endpoint

2011-08-20 Thread Andrew McGlashan


Hi,

I'm considering options to bond multiple DSL connections.  I'm not 
looking at load balancing, but true bonding.


This is a link that describes what I would like to be able to achieve:

http://www.fusionbroadband.com.au/virtual_fibre.php
  - refers to a bonding link as part of this


What I want to do is replace one end point with perhaps a 
100mbps/100mbps connection at a DC or maybe on PIPE [1].  The other end 
point will be any location with multiple DSL connections -- the site I 
want to significantly increase data speeds.  There may be multiple sites 
needing to connect back to the main site (DC).


Where the DC end point ends up being is not important right now, I just 
want to understand what can be done first.


There is no budget for specialized equipment here, so I am looking at 
what can be done with ordinary Debian [or other] servers servers with 
multiple network cards and if helpful other non-prohibitive cost hardware.


Any ideas, advice would be appreciated.


[1] http://www.pipenetworks.com/pipeethernet.php

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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Gilbert Sullivan


On 08/19/2011 02:46 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:


I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and it
wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please help.
I really want this os system and have heard great things about it.


You can try to install from an USB device.

Greetings,



For purposes of the discussion.

This week I tried using AMD64 and i386 businesscard installations from 
USB flash drives to install Debian testing on two different systems. I 
used builds from both 08/15 and 08/17 -- all of them verified with 
SHA512. These builds all failed to install -- giving me verification 
errors with several different mirrors, including the main US one. (All 
of the d-i steps up until the step immediately after choosing the mirror 
worked perfectly.)


Those same images burned to CD-R gave me perfect installations on both 
machines.


This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid 
images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of 
preparation, namely


# dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX

wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may 
fail, too.


Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written 
to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just 
needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.


I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words 
wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word 
finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the 
disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect 
CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the 
mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install 
from a usb device.



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Re: bugs with debian small install

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:03:18 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 On 08/19/2011 02:46 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:

 I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and
 it wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please
 help. I really want this os system and have heard great things about
 it.

 You can try to install from an USB device.

 For purposes of the discussion.
 
 This week I tried using AMD64 and i386 businesscard installations from
 USB flash drives to install Debian testing on two different systems. I
 used builds from both 08/15 and 08/17 -- all of them verified with
 SHA512. These builds all failed to install -- giving me verification
 errors with several different mirrors, including the main US one. (All
 of the d-i steps up until the step immediately after choosing the mirror
 worked perfectly.)
 
 Those same images burned to CD-R gave me perfect installations on both
 machines.
 
 This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid
 images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of
 preparation, namely
 
 # dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX
 
 wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may
 fail, too.

Installer manual puts another one-liner:

4.3.1. Copying the files — the easy wa
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#usb-copy-easy

Anyway, if you experienced an error when installing from whatever source, 
you can jump to console logging to check what's happening.

 Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written
 to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just
 needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.

I think that's irrelevant for the installer. You waste a DVD but that's 
all :-)
 
 I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words
 wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word
 finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the
 disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect
 CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the
 mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install
 from a usb device.

The first time I installed lenny the installer gave me media reading 
errors and media not found messages, randomly... not sure why. I had 
to insist (retry) in some steps in order to get the system installed.

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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Gilbert Sullivan


On 08/20/2011 12:19 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:03:18 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

...

This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid
images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of
preparation, namely

# dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX

wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may
fail, too.


Installer manual puts another one-liner:

4.3.1. Copying the files — the easy wa
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html#usb-copy-easy

Anyway, if you experienced an error when installing from whatever source,
you can jump to console logging to check what's happening.

...
Thank you very much for that link. I'll study that, though I got the 
other prep method from the site of a guy who was involved in setting up 
the use of the hybrid images for these images. You've given me some 
homework to do. I can't think why the different method of preparation 
would result in authentication errors with the mirror, when the same 
image works perfectly when run from CD.

...

Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written
to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just
needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.


I think that's irrelevant for the installer. You waste a DVD but that's
all :-)

...
I'm certain that you're right, but I was so weirded out by the images 
suddenly not working from a usb stick any more that I was wondering if 
something magical was happening. (I've used hybrid images prepared the 
same way a dozen times before, and they had always worked for me -- 
right up up until this week.)

...

I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words
wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word
finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the
disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect
CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the
mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install
from a usb device.


The first time I installed lenny the installer gave me media reading
errors and media not found messages, randomly... not sure why. I had
to insist (retry) in some steps in order to get the system installed.

Greetings,

...
Interesting. Thanks for your insights. Useful as always.

Regards,
Gilbert


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Re: bugs with debian small install

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:32:07 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 Thank you very much for that link. I'll study that, though I got the
 other prep method from the site of a guy who was involved in setting up
 the use of the hybrid images for these images. You've given me some
 homework to do. I can't think why the different method of preparation
 would result in authentication errors with the mirror, when the same
 image works perfectly when run from CD. ...

I don't really think the method used for getting the installer into the 
USB flash key has nothing to do for the errors you mentioned. In fact, I 
think the above errors are neither related to the USB image itself. 
Installer logs will tell where the errors come from.

 Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was
 written to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image
 just needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to
 work.

 I think that's irrelevant for the installer. You waste a DVD but that's
 all :-)

 I'm certain that you're right, but I was so weirded out by the images
 suddenly not working from a usb stick any more that I was wondering if
 something magical was happening. (I've used hybrid images prepared the
 same way a dozen times before, and they had always worked for me --
 right up up until this week.)

The testing installer image may be suffering from specific bugs/problems, 
you can try with daily or weekly images or even with unstable installer 
to avoid any glicth.

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Re: Re: Am I obliged to compile the kernel to compile a module?

2011-08-20 Thread abdelkader belahcene

*Sorry I did not notice
The compilation of the module
needs header or compiled object?
any idea please
Thanks*

Re: Re: Re: Am I obliged to compile the kernel to compile a module?

2011-08-20 Thread abdelkader belahcene

*Hi,
Solved.
Just need to install linux-headers.

thanks
*

Re: PAE Kernel to generic

2011-08-20 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 8/20/2011 4:36 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 PAE kernel is not only convenient for more than 4 GiB of ram but 
 is also enables SMP (multi-processing) and NX bit (a security measure). 
 In brief, just keep it as is :-)

To clarify, the *Debian* PAE kernel package in question was built with
these kernel options enabled.  Enabling PAE in .config before doing a
kernel build does not automatically enable SMP and the other things
mentioned--they are all separate options.

Just making this clear so someone doesn't read this and assume PAE =
SMP in the Linux world in general.

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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Walter Hurry

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:03:18 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 On 08/19/2011 02:46 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 05:28:44 -0400, Scott Reagan wrote:

 I tried to install the small verion of debian, the 32 bit version and
 it wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. please
 help. I really want this os system and have heard great things about
 it.

 You can try to install from an USB device.

 Greetings,


 For purposes of the discussion.
 
 This week I tried using AMD64 and i386 businesscard installations from
 USB flash drives to install Debian testing on two different systems. I
 used builds from both 08/15 and 08/17 -- all of them verified with
 SHA512. These builds all failed to install -- giving me verification
 errors with several different mirrors, including the main US one. (All
 of the d-i steps up until the step immediately after choosing the mirror
 worked perfectly.)
 
 Those same images burned to CD-R gave me perfect installations on both
 machines.
 
 This has me wondering if there was something wrong with the hybrid
 images so that they wouldn't work with the standard method of
 preparation, namely
 
 # dd if=name-of-hybrid-image.iso of=/dev/sdX
 
 wouldn't work. I'm worried that an attempt at using a usb device may
 fail, too.
 
 Since Scott said dvd-rom I'm wondering why the small image was written
 to that type of disc. I can't imagine why, but maybe the image just
 needs to be written to a standard CD+R or CD-R disc in order to work.
 
 I'd also be curious to know exactly what Scott meant by the words
 wouldn't read my dvd rom so I couldn't finish the install. The word
 finish implies that there was at least no initial problem reading the
 disc. Does Scott mean that the install process failed at the Detect
 CD-ROM point, or something else? I'm wondering if he could have got the
 mirror authentication error that I kept getting when trying to install
 from a usb device.

I haven't done Wheezy, but I've done Squeeze from a netinst download. I 
used unetbootin to put it onto a USB and it worked flawlessly.



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Re: PAE Kernel to generic

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:42:52 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

 On 8/20/2011 4:36 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 PAE kernel is not only convenient for more than 4 GiB of ram but is
 also enables SMP (multi-processing) and NX bit (a security measure). In
 brief, just keep it as is :-)
 
 To clarify, the *Debian* PAE kernel package in question was built with
 these kernel options enabled.  

In fact, the same happens in most of the pre-made -pae kernels I've 
seen in other distributions. Just to clarify this is not only for Debian 
kernels.

 Enabling PAE in .config before doing a kernel build does not
 automatically enable SMP and the other things mentioned--they are all
 separate options.

Enabling CONFIG_X86_PAE just enables CONFIG_X86_PAE. Yeep, that makes 
sense and I hope it does automatically enable another options that were 
not manually set... But now you mention, NX bit requires PAE to be on 
so I guess it will be automatically marked if you enable this.

 Just making this clear so someone doesn't read this and assume PAE =
 SMP in the Linux world in general.

Sure, I was referring specifically to linux-image-686-pae, I didn't 
think the OP was talking about compiled/home made kernels.

And now you also mention this, another distributions provide a set of 
kernels for their users in a more flexible way: there are desktop kernels 
(which enable pae, nx bit and smp) and there are also plain kernels 
(which enable smp but keep pae and nx bit turned off).

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Re: bugs with debian small install

2011-08-20 Thread Gilbert Sullivan


On 08/20/2011 02:30 PM, Walter Hurry wrote:


I haven't done Wheezy, but I've done Squeeze from a netinst download. I
used unetbootin to put it onto a USB and it worked flawlessly.



Yes, I've used unetbootin before. I had heard that unetbootin isn't 
working right now. No idea how true that is. I switched to the other 
method before I heard the rumors.




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Re: lenny-squeeze upgrade - failed with grub-pc upgrade

2011-08-20 Thread Lukasz Szybalski

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Lukasz Szybalski szybal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Lukasz Szybalski szybal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hello,
 In the process of upgrading from debian lenny amd64 to debian squeezy
 amd64 I was able to successfully upgrade to kernel 32 and new udev.
 Then after reboot I followed with apt-get dist-upgrade.

 Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to
 grub-pc. During this choice I was asked to specify mbr to install new
 boot loader. I've selected my flash drive that I have used before to
 hold my boot partition I believe.

 After restart I can only see GRUB.

 While Recovering from grub-pc install failure. I've started from cd
 (rescue) mode. I then assembled my raid partition (sdb1,sdc1,sdd1) and
 executed into shell of my lvm root group mapper_xyz_root. From there I
 run upgrade-from-grub-legecy and this time I've selected my usb and
 sda to install grub.

 Still no lock.

 Then I tried update-grub

 Now I get grub loading...
 no module name found

 What should I do now? I've logged in with rescue cd again and now my
 /boot partition no longer holds other files except for /boot/grub/..
 What happened to my kernel files 26 and 32 that were on the /boot?

 What are my choices on installing grub-pc? Do I need boot partition?
 What should be on it? Why did files got removed? Should I be
 installing grub on my lvm root group? or sda? or /boot flashdrive?

 I would appreciate some guidance on this.


 LILO is not an option.

 I think the better question is where was the original grub installed
 (MBR?) and where is the new grub-pc (aka grub2 ) installed (mbr?)
 Will update-grub configure the whole system, or do I need to create my
 own config files? How do I install that to xyz sda mbr.

 Thanks,
 Lucas




Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
 In the process of upgrading from debian lenny amd64 to debian squeezy
 amd64 I was able to successfully upgrade to kernel 32 and new udev.
 Then after reboot I followed with apt-get dist-upgrade.

You say after reboot and so you must have used grub to reboot,
right?

 Everything went fine, but towards the end I was asked to upgrade to
 grub-pc.

Asked to upgrade by asking you to run upgrade-from-grub-legacy
yourself manually from the command line?  Or by some other means?

 During this choice I was asked to specify mbr to install new
 boot loader. I've selected my flash drive that I have used before to
 hold my boot partition I believe.

I think the most normal installation is to select your first raw
drive.  That is, if you have /boot on /dev/sda1 and / on /dev/sda5 or
some such then you would install grub on /dev/sda without adding any
partition numbers.

**That is correct, I don't know why I thought I had a usb, but in this
computer I did not have a usb driver, so I should have selected
/dev/sda.  In rescue mode I did that many times and it still failed.


 After restart I can only see GRUB.

Grub appears to be installed then.  But the problem would seem to be
that grub's configuration file didn't point to the root filesystem.

** Correct, at that point I'm not sure if that was still grub 1 or
grub 2(grub-pc). (more on it below) The information below was very
useful after I gut the grub menu.

At that point you can issue instructions to grub.  You should be able
to get some good information.  It is a little confusing to describe
but the most important thing to know is that TAB will expand and list
your possible options.  Use this to explore your system at that point
and to see what is where.  You can type in help to get a list of
commands available but that will produce a lot of output and will
overwhelm you.

At the grub prompt type in root ( and then hit TAB to have it
complete.  It will look like this:

  grub root (

Press TAB at that point and it will fill out to the available
options.

  grub root (hd0,

Press TAB again to have it list them out.

  grub root (hd0,
  Possible partitions are:
Partition hd0,sda1
Partition hd0,sda2

Then select one of them and repeat to list the contents of that
filesystem.

  grub root (hd0,0)/
  Possible files are:
lost+found/ System.map-2.6.32-5-686 vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 grub/
config-2.6.32-5-686 initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686

That verifies that on my system hd0,0 (/dev/sda1) is my /boot
partition.  Repeat again with the other partition numbers.

  grub root (hd0,1)/
  Possible files are:
bin/ boot/ dev/ home/ lib/ lost+found/ media/ mnt/ opt/ ...

That verifies that on the system I tried that hd0,1 (/dev/sda2) is the
root partition.

So to manually tell grub what it needs to boot I can type in the
following:

  grub root (hd0,0)
  grub kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-amd64 root=/dev/sda2 ro
  grub initrd /initrd.img-2.6.32-3-amd64
  grub boot

Use TAB to complete the filenames to ensure that you have the right
location and to save you from typing in all of the details of the
version numbers and architecture type.

If that works then your problem is not

Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

2011-08-20 Thread Heddle Weaver

On 20 August 2011 05:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wait... what are those pppx connections? Where are they coming from?
 Are you using another device to get connected on Internet?


The only other device I've used is the borrowed XP laptop I used to set up
the modem in the first place. That was a wireless connection, even though I
plugged the cable in. I was just so glad to get a connection, I let it go.
Perhaps it's a hangover from that?


  And I can't see the address anywhere. Also, according to the manual, the
  mask address is supposed to be 225.25.225.0
 
  There is something evil happening.
  I can't actually remember adjusting anything, yet the connection, far
  from good, is the best I've had so far.

 The above data is very clear: your ethernet device has lost (again) its
 configuration. what I dunno is what are the remainder ppp connections :-?

 Can you explain how did you connect your windows computer to Internet?
 What steps did you follow? Maybe this way we can understand what is going
 on...


That's all there was.
Just the one machine, with a wireless config to set up the WAN, but with the
ethernet cable plugged in.
Possibly, with windows typical interference, it's configured the modem with
his account details and I'm getting free access?
The pressure builds. I've got to sort this out!

I took a look at dmesg to see what that could tell me about what was going
on.
First in the sequence I got this:

[2.129507] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95705A50) rev 3003]
(PCI:33MHz:32-bit) MAC address 00:15:60:c2:63:46
[2.142802] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: attached PHY is 5705
(10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet) (WireSpeed[0])

Which seems to suggest that the non-free Tygon firmware is involved. I
thought that was just for hard drives.
Further down in the sequence I get this:

[  252.853480] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Failed to load firmware
tigon/tg3_tso5.bin
[  252.855483] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: TSO capability disabled
[  252.994052] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[  253.367980] PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
[  254.103297] process `sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall)
net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time; Use
net.ipv6.neigh.default.retrans_time_ms instead.
[  254.471468] ip_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[  254.489770] ip6_tables: (C) 2000-2006 Netfilter Core Team
[  254.515823] nf_conntrack version 0.5.0 (16384 buckets, 65536 max)
[  256.159728] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Link is up at 1000 Mbps, full duplex
[  256.159732] tg3 :02:0e.0: eth0: Flow control is on for TX and on for
RX
[  256.160083] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[  256.170762] fuse init (API version 7.16)
[  257.872663] input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as
/devices/virtual/input/input9
[  266.944025] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[  267.224323] NET: Registered protocol family 24
[  271.333079] AIF:Dropped INPUT packet: IN=ppp0 OUT= MAC= SRC=61.128.110.98
DST=110.174.203.247 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=108 ID=256 PROTO=TCP
SPT=6000 DPT=1433 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

And at last we arrive at this - and if it applies, I would have no idea.
I just wish they'd write this stuff in English.

[  568.682330] AIF:Dropped INPUT packet: IN=ppp1 OUT= MAC= SRC=76.72.165.90
DST=110.174.203.247 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=116 ID=256 DF PROTO=TCP
SPT=12200 DPT=8909 WINDOW=8192 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[  990.383838] gs[7403]: segfault at 40 ip b70f70f2 sp bffce1a0 error 4 in
libgs.so.9.02[b6f56000+4e5000]
[  999.945440] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:b8:ff:61:ee:d3:40:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0
DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=54518 PROTO=UDP
SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
[ 1001.964640] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:b8:ff:61:ee:d3:40:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0
DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=54519 PROTO=UDP
SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
[ 2137.861131] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:23:12:7c:d2:9b:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0
DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=52104 PROTO=UDP
SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
[ 2139.057008] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:23:12:7c:d2:9b:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0
DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=52105 PROTO=UDP
SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
[ 2154.619171] AIF:PRIV UDP broadcast: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:23:12:7c:d2:9b:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0
DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=52110 PROTO=UDP
SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308

And that's it! 'Life in the bitter sea', as the Chinese say, and I'm
drowning.
Thanks for staying with this.
Regards,

Weaver.
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Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

2011-08-20 Thread Heddle Weaver

On 20 August 2011 06:07, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:02:17 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote:

  I don't know what's happening any more. I think I'm being haunted.

 Greemlins are anywhere and they like computers so much, keep your eyes
 opened! X-)

  I've just reset the modem to see if I could access the modem url to set
  it up properly.

 Hum... I hope the router restores fine from a reset with all the wan
 settings already predefined for your ISP. Resetting the router is not a
 task you have to do every day, just avoid to do that unless is strictly
 necessary :-)

  I've got four green leds up, Power; Lan; Wireless (The laptop doesn't
  have a wireless card) DSL.
  The 5th light is for 'net, and it's orange, which means no connection,
  but I'm sending this on my gmail account through that same laptop.
 
  I'm going to need more than a pair of low-slung six-guns to get me out
  of this!

 Usually, the orange light of the Internet port means the router is trying
 to get an IP for the ISP, after a reset this can be normal.


Yes, but after it achieves that, the led turns green and flashes, along with
the LAN led to indicate net activity with this modem.


 And don't worry for Gmail, this is another beast and does its own
 caching magic in the background...


Yes, and there's going to be a lot more activity of that type coming up too.
I just hope I'm good enough at the time to evade it all.
Corporate money buying our privacy and we don't even get the money.
Regards,

Weaver.
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Re: ALSA fail on wheezy.

2011-08-20 Thread R. Clayton

  The 'fw unknown' is bothersome. I'd take 'fw' to be 'firmware'.

You're probably right; had I looked at dmesg, I would have seen that cs64xx
had no firmware.

  The Debian Wiki is often very useful:
  http://wiki.debian.org/snd-cs46xx

It was for me; it solved the problem.  Thanks for your reply to my message.


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Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

2011-08-20 Thread Heddle Weaver

On 20 August 2011 05:50, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:18:37 +1000, Heddle Weaver wrote:

  On 16 August 2011 22:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

   weaver@Bandit:~$ su
   Password:
   Bandit:/home/weaver# wget 192.168.1.254 --2011-08-16 06:06:49--
   http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting to 192.168.1.254:80... failed:
   Connection timed out. Retrying.
  
   --2011-08-16 06:07:36--  (try: 2)  http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting
   to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying.
  
   --2011-08-16 06:08:23--  (try: 3)  http://192.168.1.254/ Connecting
   to 192.168.1.254:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying.
 
  Hum... are you sure your router is still at 192.168.1.254?


I ran some status checks and get multiple results, without any other
configuration:

Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: peer from calling number
00:03:A0:11:DC:78 authorized
Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: not replacing existing default route
through ppp1
Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: local  IP address 110.174.203.247
Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: remote IP address 10.20.21.36
Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: primary   DNS address 203.12.160.35
Aug 21 10:15:08 Bandit pppd[32274]: secondary DNS address 203.12.160.36

and:

Aug 21 10:41:18 Bandit pppd[2188]: remote IP address 10.20.21.81
Aug 21 10:41:18 Bandit pppd[2188]: primary   DNS address 203.12.160.35
Aug 21 10:41:18 Bandit pppd[2188]: secondary DNS address 203.12.160.36

and:

Bandit:/home/weaver# plog
Aug 21 12:03:46 Bandit pppd[32274]: Modem hangup
Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: No response to 3 echo-requests
Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: Serial link appears to be disconnected.
Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: Connect time 2.4 minutes.
Aug 21 12:03:50 Bandit pppd[1824]: Sent 4422 bytes, received 0 bytes.
Aug 21 12:03:56 Bandit pppd[1824]: Connection terminated.
Aug 21 12:03:56 Bandit pppd[1824]: Modem hangup

and with:

Bandit:/home/weaver# ifconfig ppp0
ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
  inet addr:110.174.203.247  P-t-P:10.20.21.81  Mask:255.255.255.255
  UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1492  Metric:1
  RX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:3
  RX bytes:435 (435.0 B)  TX bytes:106 (106.0 B)

So it looks more and more like hardware.
Regards,

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Re: Fwd: Billion 7800N

2011-08-20 Thread Andrew McGlashan


Hi,

Heddle Weaver wrote:

So it looks more and more like hardware.
Regards,


I don't agree.

The 7800N is one of Billion's best modems, it may be faulty, but I don't 
think so reading through all this horrible thread.  The thread and your 
experience completely mis-represents Billion's product as it seems you 
are clueless on how to use it properly and as designed -- ala, as others 
have said, it should not require anything special and almost ANY 
reasonable browser will work fine for configuration with standard 
browser settings on Linux or Windows or any other operating system that 
understands and works properly with standard TCP networks.


What I find happens with many Mac users is that they try to setup PPP 
login on their computer, when the modem is meant to be doing the job for 
their network.  This kind of problem is not something that is normally 
seen with Linux users as they tend to have more of a clue than a Mac 
user and usually more of a clue than most Windows users.



I suggest the following:

First off, connect the modem directly to the setup machine via the 
Ethernet cable using a LAN port, do not connect to any other devices, ie 
no switches or other network -- just the modem with the computer.


Oh, connect the phone line of the DSL connection too, make sure it isn't 
filtered coming in to the modem.


 -  Fully reset the 7800N to factory defaults, any way you can, even 
using the Windows machine.


 -  Use a LIVE CD and eliminate your Linux installation from the 
equation.  The Live CD needs to work, it needs to have drivers for your 
network card -- if it works fine, then proceed using the setup, 
otherwise continue with the Windows machine..


 -  Check that you have an IP address in the range of the modem's 
standard LAN (probably 192.168.1.254 or 192.168.2.254), netmask is 
255.255.255.0.


 -  You should be able to telnet to the modem with username admin and 
password admin -- logout with user logout on the command line 
interface, don't do anything else here, you seem to be out of your depth 
in this area.  This will prove connectivity with the modem on it's 
network and that everything should be fine.



Take a breath.

If all the above works fine, then you should use the web config of the 
modem.


 -  Login to the web config using http://192.168.1.254 -- the username 
and password will both be admin.  Once logged in.


-   Run the quick start wizard.  Change only two things, the ISP 
username and the ISP password.  [You may want to scan connection types 
first, or not).  ISPs may give you DNS servers and other setting, but 
you normally only want to change two things, the PPP username login and 
the PPP password.


 -  Once you have gone through setting up the ISP login (which the 
modem takes care of), then do a save configuration to flash, click on 
the save link, then click on the apply button -- wait for it to say it 
has been done successfully.


You should now have a modem that offers default wireless (fix that 
ASAP), it should give out IP settings via DHCP (it's own built-in 
server) and it will be connected to the Internet via the ISP login that 
you entered.


Any machine needing access to the Internet through this modem will 
simply plug in to the built-in LAN switch or use wireless.  The device 
will get IP settings via DHCP.  You do not need to do any kind of PPP 
login on anything other than the modem itself.


Further configuration is for someone whom understands the above things 
properly first, for starters.  Any further configuration is more 
advanced.  I strongly urge you to work out, properly, how to secure the 
wireless effectively -- change the network name from default, don't use 
WEP, do use WPA2-PSK with a long and strong password, forget about 
trying to hide the network or limiting via MAC addresses as both of 
these options are pointless.


If you are unable to manage the above, effectively, I am sure that there 
are many local people (some maybe even IT consultants), whom should be 
able to handle this very, very easily -- you'll probably need to have a 
friend help you or pay a consultant to fix it for you.  There was advice 
I heard a few times about a Word Perfect help desk support call -- it 
was gold, it might apply to you [1].  Perhaps, only perhaps, that is 
being a bit harsh.



[1] http://www.free-funny-jokes.com/from-the-wordperfect-help-desk.html

Good luck, it seems you really need it or a good pay for consultant to 
help you out -- I don't envy being that consultant in this situation.  ;-)


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SSH server

2011-08-20 Thread Ivan Shmakov

 Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes:
 RiverWind wrote:

  I used to be able to ssh from my shellworld account into my Linux
  box before I got the latest version of the squeeze disk. I am not
  able to do so now. Exactly what needs to be set up or in place in
  order for me to once again be able to access my Linux box via ssh
  or telnet from another site?

[…]

  2. Ensure that sshd is listening on port 22.

  $ netstat -na | grep '0.0.0.0:22'
  tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:22  0.0.0.0:*LISTEN

As IPv6 is slowly conquering the world, I'd be checking for
:::22 just as well, e. g.:

$ netstat -na | grep -F :::22 
tcp6   0  0 :::22   :::*LISTEN 
tcp6   0  0 2001:db8:1::1:51537 2001:db8:2::2:22ESTABLISHED
$ 

Also, neither . nor : are the characters that an ordinary shell
would treat as special, so single quotes aren't necessary.
OTOH, grep(1) will treat . as any character, not period, thus -F
should be used.  Consider, e. g.:

$ printf %s\\n 0.0.0.0:22 1020:030:22 | grep '0.0.0.0:22' 
0.0.0.0:22
1020:030:22
$ printf %s\\n 0.0.0.0:22 1020:030:22 | grep -F 0.0.0.0:22 
0.0.0.0:22
$ 

  3. Ensure that you can connect to the sshd port from the local host.
  Do this on the local host.

  $ telnet localhost 22
  ...
  Escape character is '^]'.
  SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.8p1 Debian-7
  ^]-- Use Control-] to escape
  telnet quit  -- Then type quit to exit

The Telnet protocol isn't the same as “no protocol.”  In
particular, IIRC, Telnet treats a \xff code as special.  For
network diagnostics, netcat (as of either netcat6,
netcat-openbsd, or netcat-traditional package) is generally
better.

And it can be interrupted by a plain ^C (C-c), BTW.

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Re: Computer afsluiten terwijl iemand is ingelogd via SSH

Op 19-08-11 17:01, Mark Stunnenberg schreef:
vi visudo

username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt
username ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/reboot

Net getest, maar het werkt niet als je afsluit met systeem |
afsluiten. Ik krijg een melding System policy prefents stopping the
system when other users are logged in. Ah, mooie melding om op verder
te zoeken.

Uiteraard bedoel ik niet dat de mensen moeten gaan uitloggen via een
commandline commando. Het gaat om 'gewone gebruikers'.

Ondertussen ben ik er wel achter dat het alles te maken heeft met dit
bestand: /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.consolekit.policy

En, de oplossing hier gevonden lijkt te werken:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/cannot-restart-shutdown-if-logged-in-another-virtual-terminal-887407/

Het komt er op neer dat je auth_admin_keep in eerder genoemd bestand
wijzigt in yes. Dus:

apt-get install rpl # voor het geval je rpl nog niet hebt
rpl auth_admin_keep yes \
/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.consolekit.policy

Ik geloof dat je wel nog een keer moet rebooten voordat het echt werkt.
Je kunt vast ook consolekit herstarten o.i.d., maar ik weet nog niet hoe.

Je kan ook nog autolog installeren.
Die logt de door jou gedefineerde users uit na X tijd.

Nee, dat is niet de bedoeling.

Groet,
Paul.

Groeten,
Mark

On 19-8-2011 16:47, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
Hallo,

In Squeeze met Gnome krijgt iemand die een computer wil afsluiten waarop
iemand is ingelogd via SSH een melding. Afsluiten is dan alleen mogelijk
na intikken van root paswoord.

Ik vind dit onprettig. Als admin vergeet ik soms uit te loggen en dan
kunnen mijn klanten hun PC niet uitzetten.

Weet hier iemand een mogelijkheid om deze feature uit te zetten?

Met vriendelijke groet,
Paul van der Vlis.

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Re: Computer afsluiten terwijl iemand is ingelogd via SSH

Op 20-08-11 17:34, Paul van der Vlis schreef:

 Ik geloof dat je wel nog een keer moet rebooten voordat het echt werkt.
 Je kunt vast ook consolekit herstarten o.i.d., maar ik weet nog niet hoe.

Het herstarten van consolekit blijkt niet te kunnen (en als je het toch
doet, dan kan de gebruiker de computer helemaal niet meer uitzetten).

Zie deze bugs:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534976
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534976

Groet,
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Re: fsck na boot afbreken

2011-08-20 Thread Geert Stappers

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 08:17:58PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 Hallo,
 
 Is er ook een mogelijkheid om een fsck vlak na de reboot af te breken en
 gewoon te booten?  Het gaat om een systeem met Lenny.
 
 Achtergrond: het systeem heeft problemen met zijn hardware klok.
 Hierdoor wil het steeds weer fsck uitvoeren na het booten, onder
 vermelding dat het systeem al jaren niet gecheckt is.
 
 Overigens ben ik ook nieuwsgierig naar oplossingen voor Squeeze, mocht
 dat anders zijn. Soms komt een fsck gewoon niet goed uit.

Tja, onderhoud zoals boten schilderen kost tijd en moeite.
De alternatieven zijn bijvoorbeeld polyester boten.

Voor filesystemen zijn er ontwikkelingen als ext4 en btrfs.
( nu 1 ext4 fs ingebruik nog nauwlijks ervaring mee )

Als een hardware klok het probleem is,
dan zal daar ook de oplossing zijn.

Of een file system check af te breken is? Ik weet het niet.
Misschien kan, maar je moet het niet willen.

Het is als gaan varen met een boot waarvan het hout rot is.


Cheers
Geert Stappers



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Re: fsck na boot afbreken

2011-08-20 Thread Huub Reuver

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 08:17:58PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 Hallo,
 
 Is er ook een mogelijkheid om een fsck vlak na de reboot af te breken en
 gewoon te booten?  Het gaat om een systeem met Lenny.
 
 Achtergrond: het systeem heeft problemen met zijn hardware klok.
 Hierdoor wil het steeds weer fsck uitvoeren na het booten, onder
 vermelding dat het systeem al jaren niet gecheckt is.
 
 Overigens ben ik ook nieuwsgierig naar oplossingen voor Squeeze, mocht
 dat anders zijn. Soms komt een fsck gewoon niet goed uit.

Als het systeem problemen geeft zou ik zelf met init 1 starten en
dan met tune2fs proberen de fsck cycli uit te zetten.

Het probleem daarbij is dat je de fsck wel periodiek wil uitvoeren
en dat je dit wel in moet plannen en vastleggen. Je moet het wel
doen. Dit probleem is daarbij hetzelfde als bij systemen die 24/7 
aanstaan.

Met vriendelijke groet,
Huub Reuver


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Re: fsck na boot afbreken

Op 20-08-11 20:56, Geert Stappers schreef:
 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 08:17:58PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 Hallo,

 Is er ook een mogelijkheid om een fsck vlak na de reboot af te breken en
 gewoon te booten?  Het gaat om een systeem met Lenny.

 Achtergrond: het systeem heeft problemen met zijn hardware klok.
 Hierdoor wil het steeds weer fsck uitvoeren na het booten, onder
 vermelding dat het systeem al jaren niet gecheckt is.

 Overigens ben ik ook nieuwsgierig naar oplossingen voor Squeeze, mocht
 dat anders zijn. Soms komt een fsck gewoon niet goed uit.
 
 Tja, onderhoud zoals boten schilderen kost tijd en moeite.
 De alternatieven zijn bijvoorbeeld polyester boten.
 
 Voor filesystemen zijn er ontwikkelingen als ext4 en btrfs.
 ( nu 1 ext4 fs ingebruik nog nauwlijks ervaring mee )

Ik heb er denk ik nu 6 in gebruik, maar ook nog vele met ext3, en die
hebben ook onderhoud nodig.

 Als een hardware klok het probleem is,
 dan zal daar ook de oplossing zijn.

Ja, alleen moet je wel elke keer hel lang wachten tot de check klaar
is als het nog niet goed is. En het is nog niet helemaal zeker wat er
aan de hand is. Ik ga er juist naar toe om dat uit te zoeken.

 Of een file system check af te breken is? Ik weet het niet.
 Misschien kan, maar je moet het niet willen.
 
 Het is als gaan varen met een boot waarvan het hout rot is.

Het gaat om zo'n check die komt als je filesysteem 180 dagen niet
gecheckt is, of na 36 mounts.

In mijn geval is het filesysteem niet rot, er is alleen iets mis met de
tijd, waardoor hij denkt dat het systeem al lang niet gecheckt is.

Groet,
Paul.


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Re: fsck na boot afbreken

2011-08-20 Thread Geert Stappers

On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 09:52:42PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 Op 20-08-11 20:56, Geert Stappers schreef:
  On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 08:17:58PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 
  Is er ook een mogelijkheid om een fsck vlak na de reboot af te breken en
  gewoon te booten?  Het gaat om een systeem met Lenny.
 
  Achtergrond: het systeem heeft problemen met zijn hardware klok.
  Hierdoor wil het steeds weer fsck uitvoeren na het booten, onder
  vermelding dat het systeem al jaren niet gecheckt is.
 
  Overigens ben ik ook nieuwsgierig naar oplossingen voor Squeeze, mocht
  dat anders zijn. Soms komt een fsck gewoon niet goed uit.
  
  Als een hardware klok het probleem is,
  dan zal daar ook de oplossing zijn.
 
 Ja, alleen moet je wel elke keer hel lang wachten tot de check klaar
 is als het nog niet goed is. En het is nog niet helemaal zeker wat er
 aan de hand is. Ik ga er juist naar toe om dat uit te zoeken.
 
  Of een file system check af te breken is? Ik weet het niet.
  Misschien kan, maar je moet het niet willen.
  
 
 Het gaat om zo'n check die komt als je filesysteem 180 dagen niet
 gecheckt is, of na 36 mounts.
 
 In mijn geval is het filesysteem niet rot, er is alleen iets mis met de
 tijd, waardoor hij denkt dat het systeem al lang niet gecheckt is.


Uit de manual page van tune2fs

OPTIONS
 -c max-mount-counts
Adjust  the  number of mounts after which the filesystem will be
checked by e2fsck(8).  If max-mount-counts is 0 or -1, the  num-
ber  of  times  the filesystem is mounted will be disregarded by
e2fsck(8) and the kernel.

Staggering the mount-counts at which  filesystems  are  forcibly
checked  will  avoid  all  filesystems being checked at one time
when using journaled filesystems.

You should  strongly  consider  the  consequences  of  disabling
mount-count-dependent   checking  entirely.   Bad  disk  drives,
cables, memory, and kernel bugs could all corrupt  a  filesystem
without  marking  the  filesystem dirty or in error.  If you are
using journaling on your filesystem, your filesystem will  never
be marked dirty, so it will not normally be checked.  A filesys-
tem error detected by the kernel will still force an fsck on the
next reboot, but it may already be too late to prevent data loss
at that point.

See also the -i option for time-dependent checking.


Groeten
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Re: fsck na boot afbreken

Op 20-08-11 21:15, Huub Reuver schreef:
 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 08:17:58PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
 Hallo,

 Is er ook een mogelijkheid om een fsck vlak na de reboot af te breken en
 gewoon te booten?  Het gaat om een systeem met Lenny.

 Achtergrond: het systeem heeft problemen met zijn hardware klok.
 Hierdoor wil het steeds weer fsck uitvoeren na het booten, onder
 vermelding dat het systeem al jaren niet gecheckt is.

 Overigens ben ik ook nieuwsgierig naar oplossingen voor Squeeze, mocht
 dat anders zijn. Soms komt een fsck gewoon niet goed uit.
 
 Als het systeem problemen geeft zou ik zelf met init 1 starten en
 dan met tune2fs proberen de fsck cycli uit te zetten.

Ik wil het juist weer goed krijgen.
Als ik de fsck cycli uitzet kan ik niet testen.

 Het probleem daarbij is dat je de fsck wel periodiek wil uitvoeren
 en dat je dit wel in moet plannen en vastleggen. Je moet het wel
 doen. Dit probleem is daarbij hetzelfde als bij systemen die 24/7 
 aanstaan.

Het systeem staat 24/7 aan, maar heeft wel eens onderhoud nodig e.d.
Het is vervelend als het booten dan altijd lang duurt.

Ik hoorde dat je bij Ubuntu de check kunt afbreken met ESC, dat heb ik
laatst geprobeerd onder Debian, maar het functioneerde niet.
Naar zoiets ben ik dus op zoek.

Groet,
Paul.


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