date:20120111

On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 00:12:21 Manuel Soto escribió:
 Hola
Tengo ya un buen tiempo (varios años) con problemas con los drivers
 de Nvidia propietarios cuando los instalo para soportar 3D, si bien
 uso pocos juegos ahora con Gnome3 me está haciendo falta

Los del repositorio suelen dar problemas. Bájate los drivers de nvidia.es para 
tu tarjeta, linux y tu arquitectura e instálalos.

Para instalarlos tienes que tumbar las x /etc/init.d/gdm stop como root

El driver no se puede instalar con las X andando

Luego como root los instalas...

dash NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-290.10.run -a

por ejemplo, sera probablemente este mismo el 290.10

luego levantas otra vez la X /etc/init.d/gdm start como root

Tienes que reconfigurar el fichero /etc/X11/xorg.conf con las configuraciones 
para nvidia. que tienes el manual en /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/html/

Si no te manejas te paso el mio en un privado.

Un saludo

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Re: acerca de qmailadmin paea qmailrocks

2012-01-11 Thread Ferran Donadie

* Ariel ar...@cncc.cult.cu [2012-01-10 13:20:03 -0500]:

 hola he seguido la guia de qumailrocks para instalar qmail y tengo algunas 
 dudas, en si qmail esta funcionando bien en un 90% pero hay algunos detalles 
 que faltan los cuales les describo a continuacion:
 
 uso debian lenny
 
 1) qmailadmin funciona lo puedo pedir mediante un browser y me puedo logear 
 pero no me carga las imagenes, por tanto no puedo administrar mis listas de 
 correo, alguna sugerencia al respecto o alguna idea de como puedo 
 implementar mis listas con otra cosa que no sea qmailadmin y se vincule a 
 qmail?

Hola Ariel,

Lo único que se me ocurre sugerirte es que mires en los logs del
servidor web, ahí deberías encontrar alguna respuesta al porqué no se
cargan las imágenes.

Yo intentaría también preguntar en alguna lista específica de qmail:

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.mail.qmail.admin

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.mail.qmail.general

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Re: acerca de qmailadmin paea qmailrocks

On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 12:40:35 Ferran Donadie escribió:

  listas de correo, alguna sugerencia al respecto o alguna idea de como
  puedo implementar mis listas con otra cosa que no sea qmailadmin y se
  vincule a qmail?

sympa y 

mailman (esta mucho mas documentado)

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Re: Recompilar el kernel openvz

2012-01-11 Thread Cristian Mitchell

El día 11 de enero de 2012 05:53, Altair Linux altairli...@gmail.com escribió:
 Buenas,

 intento recompilar el kernel openvz que viene en squeeze y estoy con
 estas instrucciones
 http://wiki.openvz.org/Compiling_the_OpenVZ_kernel_%28the_Debian_way%29

 pero no hay ningun kernel-patch-openvz ni nada similar en el repositorio.

 En los repositorios esta linux-headers para openvz, el linux-image-dbg
 para debugger y nada mas que sea especifico, no hay un parche
 concreto. He bajado el linux-source para ver si habia algo pero no he
 encontrado las secciones que dice que hay que activar.

 Por ejemplo:
 Filesystem -
 [*] VPS filesystem (CONFIG_SIM_FS)
 \_ [M] Virtuozzo Disk Quota support     (CONFIG_VZ_QUOTA)

 He mirado en 
 http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/2.6.18/current/configs/
 tal y como dicen las instrucciones, pero en vez de ese kernel usando
 el 2.6.32, quedando en
 http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/2.6.32/

 suponiendo que los nombres que salen ahi sean versiones, he ido a la
 actual (2.6.32-feoktistov.1/) y he visto que en el directorio patches
 esta 
 http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/2.6.32/2.6.32-feoktistov.1/patches/patch-feoktistov.1-combined.gz
 pero no se si eso es generico o hay algo para debian que no encuentro
 aun.

 Y es que me extraña que la info del wiki parece que llega solo hasta
 debian etch (4) y estamos en squeeze (6)


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estas tartando de compilar un kernel 2.6.x base y parcharlo con openvz
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Re: Problemas con modulo propietario nvidia en debian y derivados en una Dell Dimension 9200

2012-01-11 Thread Jhosue Rui


El 10/01/12 18:42, Manuel Soto escribió:

Hola
Tengo ya un buen tiempo (varios años) con problemas con los drivers
de Nvidia propietarios cuando los instalo para soportar 3D, si bien
uso pocos juegos ahora con Gnome3 me está haciendo falta

Casualmente tuve que cambiar de tarjeta y la nueva tarjeta también me
da problemas, por lo que no es la tarjeta en si

Antes de actualizar a testing hubo una ocasión en que logré que tomara
3D pero fueron tantas las combinaciones que no pude reproducir
nuevamente lo hecho.  La falla se presenta en debian, ubuntu,
linuxmint,... es decir, todos los derivados

Lo único que he encontrado y es aproximado a lo que me pasa es que se
trata de un error de HW de la tarjeta madre, pero no me cuadra que
hubo una vez que logró funcionar en una ocasión y por su puesto que en
el SO que trae la máquina funciona pero no lo quiero usar salvo por
determinadas aplicaciones con mi móvil para hacer su respaldo

¿Alguno en la lista le ha pasado lo mismo, tendrán alguna idea de que será?


Síntomas: No levanta el X luego de instalar modulos non-free para utilizar glx

# /usr/bin/lspci -d 10de:* -v -xxx
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G98 [GeForce
8400 GS] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Subsystem: ZOTAC International (MCO) Ltd. Device 5044
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16
Memory at de00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
Memory at dc00 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32M]
I/O ports at dc80 [size=128]
Expansion ROM at dfe0 [disabled] [size=128K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3
Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+
Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00
Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel
Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting?
Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 
Len=024?
Kernel driver in use: nouveau
00: de 10 e4 06 07 00 10 00 a1 00 00 03 10 00 00 00
10: 00 00 00 de 0c 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 dc
20: 00 00 00 00 81 dc 00 00 00 00 00 00 da 19 44 50
30: 00 00 e0 df 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0b 01 00 00
40: da 19 44 50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
50: 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 ce d6 23 00 00 00 00 00
60: 01 68 03 00 08 00 00 00 05 78 80 00 00 00 00 00
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 00 e0 84 64 00
80: 16 29 00 00 01 3d 00 00 40 00 01 11 00 00 00 00
90: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00




Hola.

Veo que has hecho tu tarea. No es por nada, mucho menos ganas de 
insultar, pero me es difícil creer que sea un error de hardware, me ha 
pasado que rutinariamente metemos la pata y no nos damos cuenta.


Nvidia es mi marca preferida de tarjeta de vídeo funcionan muy bien y te 
puedo decir que he instalado unas cuantas y cuando fallan suelen ser 
errores tontos de uno.


Te comento que tengo en este momento el mismo chip nvidia, distinto 
fabricante, y me funciona bien con los módulos de los repos, claro esta, 
yo uso squeeze y me imagino que con los módulos de la testing debe estar 
mas que soportada.


Ahora al punto.

De la información que sale de tu lspci me causa aprensión la siguiente 
linea


Kernel driver in use: nouveau

quiere decir que no estas usando el modulo propietario sino el libre, 
que haría yo secuencialmente.


primero, instalar el modulo nvidia de los repos.

# apt-get install module-assistant

# m-a a-i nvidia

# apt-get install nvidia-xconfig

# nvidia-xconfig

edito el /etc/modules y agrego el modulo nvidia, esto no es del todo 
necesario pues HAL y udev deben encargarse seguramente de esto pero es 
para asegurarme que cargue el modulo al inicio


Esto debería ser lo único necesario para instalar los módulos propietarios

Ahora, hay que asegurarse que el modulo libre no se cargue porque crea 
unos conflictos de lo lindo entonces se edita el archivo 
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf y se agrega la linea


blacklist nouveau

Con esto se evita que se cargue ese modulo al inicio.

Después reiniciar y en la mayoría de los casos debería ir como la seda

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Re: Recompilar el kernel openvz

2012-01-11 Thread Altair Linux

La segunda opcion.

El 11/01/12, Cristian Mitchell mitchell6...@gmail.com escribió:
 El día 11 de enero de 2012 05:53, Altair Linux altairli...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 Buenas,

 intento recompilar el kernel openvz que viene en squeeze y estoy con
 estas instrucciones
 http://wiki.openvz.org/Compiling_the_OpenVZ_kernel_%28the_Debian_way%29

 pero no hay ningun kernel-patch-openvz ni nada similar en el
 repositorio.

 En los repositorios esta linux-headers para openvz, el linux-image-dbg
 para debugger y nada mas que sea especifico, no hay un parche
 concreto. He bajado el linux-source para ver si habia algo pero no he
 encontrado las secciones que dice que hay que activar.

 Por ejemplo:
 Filesystem -
 [*] VPS filesystem (CONFIG_SIM_FS)
 \_ [M] Virtuozzo Disk Quota support     (CONFIG_VZ_QUOTA)

 He mirado en
 http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/2.6.18/current/configs/
 tal y como dicen las instrucciones, pero en vez de ese kernel usando
 el 2.6.32, quedando en
 http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/2.6.32/

 suponiendo que los nombres que salen ahi sean versiones, he ido a la
 actual (2.6.32-feoktistov.1/) y he visto que en el directorio patches
 esta
 http://download.openvz.org/kernel/branches/2.6.32/2.6.32-feoktistov.1/patches/patch-feoktistov.1-combined.gz
 pero no se si eso es generico o hay algo para debian que no encuentro
 aun.

 Y es que me extraña que la info del wiki parece que llega solo hasta
 debian etch (4) y estamos en squeeze (6)


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 Una cosa que no queda claro
 estas tartando de compilar un kernel 2.6.x base y parcharlo con openvz
 o
 estas tratando de compilar el kernel de openvz desde los fuentes ya
 parchados que vienes en la distro?



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Re: [MEGA-OT] Lenguaje de programación a usar...

2012-01-11 Thread jesus . zaldivar


Alejandro Beltrán androdeb...@gmail.com escribió:


El 11 de enero de 2012 00:34, José Arcángel Salazar Delgado 
arcangel.sala...@gmail.com escribió:


**

 Hola a todos.



 Bueno, tengo un pequeño problema. En realidad no yo, sino un amigo. Os

 explico.



 Le han mandado en su universidad a hacer un trabajo de un programa para

 Linux y Windows en el que para hacerlo, debe de cumplir una serie de

 requisitos, entre ellos:



 - Que tenga GUI (interfaz gráfica)

 - Que pueda guardar datos para poderlos usar luego

 - Que tenga algún tipo de motor complejo.

 - Que se puedan modificar datos.





Se me ocurre QT Creator como buen GUI de desarrollo, programación del juego
en QML. Multiplataforma en el escritorio, y posibilidad de portarlo a
Symbian, Android e iOS con ports que están en desarrollo. Aunque también le
puedes meter caña al javascript o usar gameQuery (
http://gamequery.onaluf.org/) y que funcione en la web :)



  Bien. Pues se le ha ocurrido la brillante idea de hacer un simulador
de

 ligas de fútbol donde pone los equipos y la calidad aproximada de

 éstos, y el programa generaría el calendario y luego conforme el usuario

 quiera pues va simulando los resultados de los partidos atendiendo a

 varios criterios (si juega en fuera o en casa, la calidad del equipo,

 etc, etc...) y claro, el usuario va viendo la clasificación cómo cambia,

 etc... y cuando quiera parar y guardar los datos para continuar después,

 pues pueda continuar donde lo dejó.



 No sé qué utilidad tiene el programa, pero bueno... La pregunta que me

 hizo fue qué lenguaje de programación aconsejaba yo usar. Y esa pregunta

 os la traslado a vosotros.



 Viendo este berenjenal y los requisitos y la idea... ¿qué lenguaje de

 programación ustedes usaríais?



 Un saludo y gracias de antemano.

Si tiene ganas de experimentar, puede usar Qt jambi + Java. Si no, Python.


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fondo el framework Qt le viene muy bien, pero si está en pañales  
python puede que sea su mejor opción. Puede utilizar el mismo Qt para  
la GUI con PyQt, o wxwidgets o Gtk

mientras mantiene en la lógica de programación un lenguaje muy fácil de leer.

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Re: [MEGA-OT] Lenguaje de programación a usar...

2012-01-11 Thread jesus . zaldivar


jesus.zaldi...@infomed.sld.cu escribió:



Eso depende de lo afilado que esté en cada lenguaje, si conoce C++  
a fondo el framework Qt le viene muy bien, pero si está en pañales  
python puede que sea su mejor opción. Puede utilizar el mismo Qt  
para la GUI con PyQt, o wxwidgets o Gtk

mientras mantiene en la lógica de programación un lenguaje muy fácil de leer.

S@lu2 wzaldivar



Otro candidato que no mencioné es pascal con Lazarus (muy parecido a  
Delphi) o Java, como siempre, dependerá del lenguaje que conozca(n).


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RE: Drivers para mi Laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro A300) en Squeeze

2012-01-11 Thread Javier

Hola la informacion que me brinda el volcado de lspci es
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory
Controller Hub (rev 07)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #4 (rev 03)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #5 (rev 03)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 03)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
1 (rev 03)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
2 (rev 03)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
5 (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
Controller #6 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI
Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev
03)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller
(rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev
03)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100
04:06.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev
05)
04:06.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host
Adapter (rev 22)
04:06.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 12)
04:06.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter
(rev 12)
04:06.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)

Yo vivo en cuba y pues si todavia utilizamos modem!!! Gracias por todo!!!

-Mensaje original-
De: Gonzalo L. Campos Medina [mailto:gcamp...@gmail.com] 
Enviado el: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:47 AM
Para: Javier
CC: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: Drivers para mi Laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro A300) en Squeeze

El día 10 de enero de 2012 12:15, Javier jlleonc...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola tengo una Toshiba Satellite Pro A300 y no he podido instalar el 
 driver del modem, alguien conoce como hacerlo a tenido la 
 experienciaGracias por la Ayuda!!!

 Es que no quiero irme a Windows además el controlador de video en 
 Windows se me cuelga!!!

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rectifico: era Re: Problemas con modulo propietario nvidia

On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 15:03:00 Jhosue Rui escribió:

Tengo que reconocer que la solución de Jhosue es mejor.

Yo usaba la que te he dicho por que mi tarjeta se vuelve majara con el 
ventilador y la del repositorio no solucionaba el problema.

la actual del repo es 290.10 que anda bien.

Lo he probado y la solución de usar el repo en vez del de nivdia funciona 
mejor.

Un saludo

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Re: [NEWS] Debian es el sistema operativo que más crece en el mercado de servidores web

On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 16:52:57 Alejandro Beltrán escribió:
 Noticia en The Inquirer:
 http://www.theinquirer.es/2012/01/11/debian-es-el-sistema-operativo-que-mas
 -crece-en-el-mercado-de-servidores-web.html
 
 Se nota el buen hacer del equipo Debian, ¿seguid así!

Aunque seguimos siendo cuatro colgados, la noticia esta muy bien, la cosa 
marcha.

Por cierto, tu estas en el equipo Debian 8=}

Un saludo

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crash kmail

2012-01-11 Thread linuxeand...@gmail.com

un saludo para todos
me esta sucediendo algo que no logro comprender.
tengo configurada la salida a internet de konqueror 4.7.4 mediante un archivo 
.pac,con dicha configuracion funciona todo como deseadopero
obtengo un crash de kmail 1.13.7 cuando lo abro.
Esto essi doy salida directa a internet kmail funciona sin problemas, de 
lo contrario si cargo el .pac, kmail cae.
El informe de fallo es el siguiente:

Application: KMail (kmail), signal: Segmentation fault
Using host libthread_db library /lib/i386-linux-
gnu/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1.
[KCrash Handler]
#7  0xb54596b4 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkio.so.5
#8  0x in ?? ()

Estoy en Sid con kde 4.7.4

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Re: crash kmail

On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 20:59:18 linuxeand...@gmail.com escribió:

 Estoy en Sid con kde 4.7.4
 
Pues reporta el bug el BTS estas en sid... tienes que asumir lo que 
supone.

;-)

Un saludo
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Re: acerca de isoqlog

2012-01-11 Thread diego sanchez


El 11/01/2012 12:43 p.m., Ariel escribió:
hola gracias por los comentarios y sugerencias que me han dado acerca 
de qmail, y disculpen que pregunte tanto, antes que nada debo decirles 
que antes de numerar mis dudas he agotado las posibilidades segun mis 
conocimientos que no son muchos.
ya la tematica de las listas lo resolvi pero me urge el tema de las 
estadisticas mediante isoqlog el cual es un analizador de logs para 
varios MTA entre estos qmail, el problema que tengo es que al generar 
las estadisticas tanto por el tiempo definido en el crontab o 
manualmente por un script supuestamente lo hace es decir escribe en 
/var/www/isoqlog lo referente a las estadisticas del dominio pero 
estas aparecen en cero ya me he leido infinidades de documentaciones 
acerca de isoqlog y nada todo esta segun la documentacion.

cualquier ayuda seria de gran utilidad
gracias de antemano

Cual es tu MTA?
Podes poner el .conf ?

Re: rectifico: era Re: Problemas con modulo propietario nvidia

2012-01-11 Thread Jhosue Rui


El 11/01/12 14:06, BasaBuru escribió:

On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 15:03:00 Jhosue Rui escribió:

Tengo que reconocer que la solución de Jhosue es mejor.

Yo usaba la que te he dicho por que mi tarjeta se vuelve majara con el
ventilador y la del repositorio no solucionaba el problema.

la actual del repo es 290.10 que anda bien.

Lo he probado y la solución de usar el repo en vez del de nivdia funciona
mejor.

Un saludo

BasaBuru

De nada.

Me alegra que haya sido útil.

Jhosue

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Re: Drivers para mi Laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro A300) en Squeeze

2012-01-11 Thread Felix Perez

El día 11 de enero de 2012 13:36, Javier jlleonc...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola la informacion que me brinda el volcado de lspci es
 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory
 Controller Hub (rev 07)
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #4 (rev 03)
 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #5 (rev 03)
 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI
 Controller #2 (rev 03)
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio
 Controller (rev 03)
 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
 1 (rev 03)
 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
 2 (rev 03)
 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
 5 (rev 03)
 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #1 (rev 03)
 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #2 (rev 03)
 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #3 (rev 03)
 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #6 (rev 03)
 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI
 Controller #1 (rev 03)
 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev
 03)
 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller
 (rev 03)
 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev
 03)
 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100
 04:06.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev
 05)
 04:06.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host
 Adapter (rev 22)
 04:06.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 12)
 04:06.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter
 (rev 12)
 04:06.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)

 Yo vivo en cuba y pues si todavia utilizamos modem!!! Gracias por todo!!!

Pues lo veo mal, no te detecta el modem, ¿qué versión de debian usas y
qué kernel?

Por favor evita el top posting.  Gracias.



 -Mensaje original-
 De: Gonzalo L. Campos Medina [mailto:gcamp...@gmail.com]
 Enviado el: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:47 AM
 Para: Javier
 CC: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
 Asunto: Re: Drivers para mi Laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro A300) en Squeeze

 El día 10 de enero de 2012 12:15, Javier jlleonc...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola tengo una Toshiba Satellite Pro A300 y no he podido instalar el
 driver del modem, alguien conoce como hacerlo a tenido la
 experiencia…Gracias por la Ayuda!!!

 Es que no quiero irme a Windows además el controlador de video en
 Windows se me cuelga!!!

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Postgresql permite el acceso sin contraseña

2012-01-11 Thread debian nick

Tengo instalado debian squeeze, actualice de lenny, mi problema es que cada
tanto el postgresql no permite conexiones desde psql 8.3 (da timeout
exception) y deja entrar sin contraseña (psql -d mibase -h mihost -U
miusuario) desde psql 8.4. La primera vez que esto me sucedió, todavía
tenía instalada la version 8.3 de lenny, asi que pensando que el problema
era la falta de actualización, actualicé el postgresql a la 8.4.9. Y el
problema desapareció.
Hoy despues de un mes de aquel evento vuelvo a tener el mismo problema pero
ahora con la versión 8.4.
Lo único que me aparece raro en los logs, es que cuando inicio el servidor
me tira el siguiente mensaje:
el paquete de inicio est? incompleto
Lo cual por lo que busqué en internet no se sabe muy bien de donde viene y
esta relacionado con el vacuum a través del cron, no tengo ningún vacuum en
el cron.
Soy muy novato y ya no se que mas probar, probé cambiar el pg_hba.conf y el
problema sigue, saqué el autovacuum del postgresql.conf y nada. Hoy después
de reiniciar el servidor varias veces arrancó funcionando sin problemas
durante 3 horas y volvió a pasar los mismo.
Del postgresql.conf solo cambio en listen address de localhost  a * y el
datestyle.
Y en el pg_hba.conf tengo las lineas:
hostall all 127.0.0.1/32  md5
hostall all 0.0.0.0/0 md5

Cualquier ayuda o camino es bienvenido. Si necesitan mas información, logs
etc, los subo.

Re: crash kmail

2012-01-11 Thread linuxeand...@gmail.com

On Miércoles 11 enero 2012 18:14:13 BasaBuru escribió:
 On Miércoles, 11 de Enero de 2012 20:59:18 linuxeand...@gmail.com escribió:
  Estoy en Sid con kde 4.7.4
 
 Pues reporta el bug el BTS estas en sid... tienes que asumir lo que
 supone.
 
 ;-)
 
 Un saludo
 BasaBuru
eso hare.
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Re: Drivers para mi Laptop (Toshiba Satellite Pro A300) en Squeeze

2012-01-11 Thread Gonzalo L. Campos Medina

El día 11 de enero de 2012 11:36, Javier jlleonc...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola la informacion que me brinda el volcado de lspci es
 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory
 Controller Hub (rev 07)
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #4 (rev 03)
 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #5 (rev 03)
 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI
 Controller #2 (rev 03)
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio
 Controller (rev 03)
 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
 1 (rev 03)
 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
 2 (rev 03)
 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port
 5 (rev 03)
 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #1 (rev 03)
 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #2 (rev 03)
 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #3 (rev 03)
 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI
 Controller #6 (rev 03)
 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI
 Controller #1 (rev 03)
 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 93)
 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation ICH9M LPC Interface Controller (rev
 03)
 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation ICH9M/M-E SATA AHCI Controller
 (rev 03)
 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev
 03)
 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
 RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 02)
 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100
 04:06.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev
 05)
 04:06.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host
 Adapter (rev 22)
 04:06.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C843 MMC Host Controller (rev 12)
 04:06.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter
 (rev 12)
 04:06.4 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev ff)

 Yo vivo en cuba y pues si todavia utilizamos modem!!! Gracias por todo!!!

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http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/HOWTO-Agere-11c11040-HDA.html

Suerte

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SEJA DISTRIBUIDOR DA PUERARIA NO BRASIL

2012-01-11 Thread sistemadedivulgacao7

VENHA SER DISTRIBUIDOR DA PUERARIA MIRIFICA NO BRASIL
“Finalmente um produto Aprovado e Registrado no Brasil.”

Conheça mais sobre pueraria:
Na Tailândia a Pueraria Mirifica é consumida a mais de 280 anos, conhecida omo 
a raiz que rejuvenesce. 

Hoje através de pesquisas avançadas a Pueraria Mirifica é conhecida no mundo 
inteiro pelas propriedades de:
Benefícios para Mulheres: 
•   Manutenção das características sexuais femininas.
•   Firma os seios.
•   Auxilio contra a sindrome da menopausa.
•   Ajuda a controlar desordem da menopausa.
•   Melhora a secreção vaginal.
•   Melhora a menstruação.
•   Aumenta ou enrijece os seios.
•   Nutre a condição da pele, especialmente em volta dos seios.
•   Anti-cancerígeno para os seios.
•   Melhora a saúde sexual da mulher e a libido.
•   Ajuda contra a sindrome da menopausa.
•   Anti-cancerígeno para o colo-retal.
•   Ajuda a reduzir o colesterol e melhora as condições cardiovasculares.
•   Combate a queda prematura dos cabelos.
•   Ajuda no re-nascimento dos cabelos, fortalecendo-os e escurecendo-os.
•   Aumenta os níveis de energia do corpo dando mais vigor e facilitando os
movimentos.
•   Anti- osteoporose.
•   Estimula a circulação sanguínea.
•   Melhora a memória.
•   Melhora o apetite.
•   Faz a aparência da pele mais bonita e jovem.
•   Propriedades anti-idade.
•   Reduz as rugas.
•Alivia problemas de catarata.
•   Face mais radiante.
•   Benefícios para Mulheres: 
•   Benefícios para Mulheres: 
•   Benefícios para Mulheres: 
Benefícios para Homens:
•   Anti-cancerígeno para o colo-retal.
•   Ajuda a reduzir o colesterol e melhora as condições cardiovasculares.
•   Combate a queda prematura dos cabelos.
•   Ajuda no re-nascimento dos cabelos, fortalecendo-os e escurecendo-os.
•   Aumenta os níveis de energia do corpo dando mais vigor e facilitando os 
movimentos.
•   Anti- osteoporose.
•   Estimula a circulação sanguínea.
•   Melhora a memória.
•   Melhora o apetite.
•   Faz a aparência da pele mais bonita e jovem.
•   Propriedades anti-idade.
•   Reduz as rugas.
•   Alivia problemas de catarata.
•   Face mais radiante.
•   Anti-cancerígeno para a próstata (para homens).
A Pueraria Mirifica contém um elemento chamado Puerarin e o Miroeterol que não 
existem na soja, e que reforça o funcionamento dos hormônios femininos ajudando 
no efeito de manutenção da beleza.
Em especial, diz-se que o Miroesterol permite uma atividade de quase 1000 vezes 
mais que a isoflavona(da soja).

Além disso, atua diretamente nas células fibrosas ajudando a manter uma pele 
mais bonita elástica trazendo uma aparência mais jovem. Indicada também para 
quem tem stress mental, sofre dos sintomas da menopausa e prevenção de queda de 
cabelos, combate sintomas da psoríase da osteoporose e revigoramento sexual.

Dados de nosso produto: Pueraria em drageas com 1000 mg ( sem efeitos 
colaterais). O produto está na fase final de aprovação do rotulo e sistema de 
comercialização.


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offtopic - webcam que funcione no skype

2012-01-11 Thread Bruno Buys

Galera, bom dia,
Preciso de uma indicação de uma webcam que funcione no skype, alguém tem?
As que tentei usam o gspca, que o skype pelo jeito não sabe usar. As
câmeras que vem embutidas nos dois acer aspire que já testei usam o
uvcvideo, que rola legal.
Preciso então que alguém indique uma câmera disponível no comércio que usa
o uvcvideo (ou algum outro driver que o maldito skype saiba usar), ou então
como fazer o skype funcionar com o gspca. É pro notebook da minha sogra.
Marquei como offtopic porque a meleca do skype não tem relação nenhuma com
nosso querido Debian.
Valeu!


Bruno

Re: offtopic - webcam que funcione no skype

2012-01-11 Thread Vinicius


Oi Bruno,

eu comprei um modelo da Logitech, funciona bem no Debian Squeeze
vez ou outra dá uma travada no skype, mas uma rechamada resolve

Não me lembro agora do modelo, mas dá uma pesquisada no site da 
Logitech, que verá modelos compatíveis com Linux


Vinicius

Em 11-01-2012 11:00, Bruno Buys escreveu:

Galera, bom dia,
Preciso de uma indicação de uma webcam que funcione no skype, alguém 
tem? As que tentei usam o gspca, que o skype pelo jeito não sabe usar. 
As câmeras que vem embutidas nos dois acer aspire que já testei usam o 
uvcvideo, que rola legal.
Preciso então que alguém indique uma câmera disponível no comércio que 
usa o uvcvideo (ou algum outro driver que o maldito skype saiba usar), 
ou então como fazer o skype funcionar com o gspca. É pro notebook da 
minha sogra.
Marquei como offtopic porque a meleca do skype não tem relação nenhuma 
com nosso querido Debian.

Valeu!


Bruno



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Sessão reiniciando ao abrir vídeos

2012-01-11 Thread Fabiano Machado Dias


Bom dia pessoal,

Estou com um problema, toda vez que vou abrir um vídeo, independente do 
player (já tentei smplayer, totem, dragon e vlc) logo quando o vídeo 
abre a sessão reinicia e volta para o GDM/KDM


Estava usando o Gnome Shell, achei que fosse um bug dele, daí instalei o 
KDE mas continuou o problema.


Um detalhe é que se abro um vídeo no youtube tudo funciona normalmente.

Meu hardware é um note Dell Latitude E5500

Minha placa é uma Intel:

lspci:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series 
Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)


Alguém já teve um problema parecido? Alguma luz?

Abraço,
Fabiano


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Re: alltray + icedove/thunderbird not working

2012-01-11 Thread Lorenzo Sutton


On 10/01/12 17:53, Victor Nitu wrote:

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:54:13 +, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
Before looking into bugs I'd like to know if anyone else is experiencing
this and how to possibly debug. Google didn't turn up anything useful.
I tried, but I cannot reproduce your problem. I have: alltray - 
Version: 0.71b-1 icedove - Version: 3.1.16-1

Thanks for trying.

You still haven't said anything about alltray's behavior against other
applications. Is this problem isolated to Icedove / Thunderbird?
Looks like it, with another exception which is Thunar. Now, I'm not sure 
what might be the similarities between Thunar and 
Icedove-Thunderbird/Iceweasel-Firefox impacting on this. Only thing 
which comes to mind is use of notifications/notification area 
(thunderbird's show an alert option and Thunar placing an icon in the 
notification area when copying files).

Your add-ons for the mail client shall count for this issue, too. Be
sure they are worth mentioning in any report or bug hunt.

I have no addons installed.

Lorenzo.


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Re: Dvorak Keyboards.

2012-01-11 Thread Anthony Campbell

On 10 Jan 2012, Dan Serban wrote:
  That site is down at present.
  
  My question: is it really worth the trouble of learning a new way of
  typing, if you are already a moderately competent touch typist on the
  QWERTY keyboard?
  
  
 
 Well, I hope the site has become available to you again since the original
 message.  There, you can see the layout that colemak provides, it's close
 to Qwerty and provides some pros (maybe some cons) to the layout.  While I
 do admit that it is quite aggravating to learn a new layout; IMHO it has
 paid off for me. I've learned to effectively touch type, and I feel that
 my comfort level is certainly higher. I've never been a speedy typer so I
 cannot add that to the advantages. Though I do find that I make much fewer
 mistakes and my fingers definitely do not travel as far as I felt that they
 used to using Qwerty.
 
 I suggest you print out whatever layout you ever decide to go
 with, if you so decide.. then at least you will be able to enter your
 passwords without too much frustration.
 
 If you feel that you have reasons to switch I suggest you give it a shot,
 otherwise, don't simply add a layer of frustration to your daily routine
 until you are convinced this is the way to go.
 

Thank you - and yes, the site is up again now. Your advice about
deciding to change is similar to that given by colemak. I can see the
force of the arguments for changing and if I were younger I'd probably
try, but at nearly 78 I doubt if it is worth it. I don't actually have
RSI or other problems with qwerty. Not that I'm averse to new ideas: I'm
currently making a start on learning a little C.

They do suggest that even if you don't make the switch you should
reprogram CapsLock to give BackSpace. I had long had it giving Escape
(needed frequently in my favourite editor, Vim) but I'm trying it out
as BackSpace now. I find I often hit Return instead of the normal
BackSpace so this may be worth while.

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Re: Laptop fan doesn't stop

2012-01-11 Thread amt

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Sthu Deus sthu.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Good time, amt.

You wrote:
Hello, running Debian Squeeze 6.0.3 amd64 on a DELL laptop and I have
a problem with the fan. When it boots up, the fan is really silent but
after a few of minutes it starts working and doesn't stop at all. I
didn't had this problem when I was running a debian based distro.(it
would start really slient, then work for a while, then go back silent
and so on).

Is there a fix to make my fan more responsive?

Yes. Look toward thiese utilities:

cpufrequtils
loadcpufreq
fancontrol

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machine cpufrequtils, fancontrol and lm-sensors. As you saw or not
from my message I just started using Debian since yesterday. I googled
cpufrequtils and found out how to start and configure it. On the other
hand I can't seem to find a guide for fancontrol so I would appreciate
if you can tell me how to set it up in a way that doesn't kill my
laptop. I can imagine this sort of things can be dangerous if not done
right.

Regards,amt.

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Re: help with LUKS header backup

2012-01-11 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com


10/01/2012 23:55, yudi v wrote:


Yes, I am using this regularly. Backing up the headers to encrypted media
(two preferably) is good practice, even if one can foresee a bit off a
circle here ;-) . Header backups are easier to break than original LUKS
container.




there is only one LUKS header on a disk, right?
I have LVM on top of LUKS. Therefore only one partition with is LUKS encrypted.
What happens when LUKS is on top of LVM. There will be several
partitions, will there also be several header files. One for each LUKS
partition or is it just one header for all LUKS partitions?




One header for one LUKS container, doesn't matter if they are on top of 
lvm or raid. There is room for several slots for pass-phrases or 
pass-keys, but every slot is contained in the same header for one 
container. If you revoke a slot, destroy every backup of that container, 
and create a new one, and you'll be safe.
Making LUKS the lower level or putting it on top of something else (lvm, 
raid) is a matter of choice and partitioning constraints, it works 
anyways. For ease of use one luks container at the lower level (whole 
disk encryption) is probably the best.



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Re: Laptop fan doesn't stop

2012-01-11 Thread Michel Blankleder

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM, amt 0101...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Sthu Deus sthu.d...@gmail.com wrote:
Good time, amt.

Is there a fix to make my fan more responsive?

Yes. Look toward thiese utilities:

cpufrequtils
loadcpufreq
fancontrol

Regards,amt.

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Hello,
If your laptop is an Inspiron or Latitude, you can check the i8kutils
and make your own scripts.
Regards
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Re: Laptop fan doesn't stop

2012-01-11 Thread Sthu Deus

Good time of the day, again, amt.

You worte:
Is there a fix to make my fan more responsive?

 Yes. Look toward thiese utilities:

 cpufrequtils
 loadcpufreq
 fancontrol

Hey Sthu Deus, thanks for the reply. I currently have installed on my
machine cpufrequtils, fancontrol and lm-sensors. As you saw or not
from my message I just started using Debian since yesterday. I googled
cpufrequtils and found out how to start and configure it. On the other
hand I can't seem to find a guide for fancontrol so I would appreciate
if you can tell me how to set it up in a way that doesn't kill my
laptop. I can imagine this sort of things can be dangerous if not done
right.

You do not need any special configuring of the util.s You will install
- at least this was my experience (dell/amd too).

The only thing You may set - which governor to use, like:

echo powersave  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor

though default one (I think it is 'performance-on-demand' or like that)
should take of it well.

Your problem is missing util.s/modules. If You have the above packages
installed, then check if You have the modules loaded:

cpufreq_ondemand
acpi_cpufreq
powernow-k8

You do check w/

lsmod |grep -E 'cpufreq|powernow'

command. In my experience, it was not, so I added it to

/etc/modules

and rebooted the machine.


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virtualbox guest addon don't working

2012-01-11 Thread Balint Szigeti


hello

I installed virtualbox-guest-additions, virtualbox-ose, 
virtualbox-ose-dkms, virtualbox-ose-qt packages.

lsmod says:
...
vboxdrv  1723671  2 vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt

I can't run mount -t vboxfs Share Target command because mount 
can't find vboxfs. I tried this:

modprobe vboxfs and modprobe vboxvfs but there isn't as module.
I searched this modul in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.* files but it 
was unsuccessfully.


Do you know how can I fix this problem?

Remark:
I didn't install any X server.

Thank you
Balint


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Message about ntp when updating

2012-01-11 Thread Patrick Wiseman

Hi, all:

I see this message when running an update:

Installing new version of config file /etc/cron.daily/ntp ...
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `ntp'
overwrites defaults (empty).

Should I be concerned about it?  And, if so, what am I supposed to do
to correct it.

Cheers
Patrick


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Re: Laptop fan doesn't stop

2012-01-11 Thread amt

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Sthu Deus sthu.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good time of the day, again, amt.

 You worte:
Is there a fix to make my fan more responsive?

 Yes. Look toward thiese utilities:

 cpufrequtils
 loadcpufreq
 fancontrol

Hey Sthu Deus, thanks for the reply. I currently have installed on my
machine cpufrequtils, fancontrol and lm-sensors. As you saw or not
from my message I just started using Debian since yesterday. I googled
cpufrequtils and found out how to start and configure it. On the other
hand I can't seem to find a guide for fancontrol so I would appreciate
if you can tell me how to set it up in a way that doesn't kill my
laptop. I can imagine this sort of things can be dangerous if not done
right.

 You do not need any special configuring of the util.s You will install
 - at least this was my experience (dell/amd too).

 The only thing You may set - which governor to use, like:

 echo powersave  /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor

 though default one (I think it is 'performance-on-demand' or like that)
 should take of it well.

 Your problem is missing util.s/modules. If You have the above packages
 installed, then check if You have the modules loaded:

 cpufreq_ondemand
 acpi_cpufreq
 powernow-k8

 You do check w/

 lsmod |grep -E 'cpufreq|powernow'

 command. In my experience, it was not, so I added it to

 /etc/modules

 and rebooted the machine.


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Output of  lsmod |grep -E 'cpufreq|powernow' is:


acpi_cpufreq5571  1
cpufreq_powersave902  0
cpufreq_conservative 5162  0
cpufreq_userspace   1992  0
cpufreq_stats   2740  0
processor  29935  3 acpi_cpufreq

Unfortunately I am very confused.

I have googled a lot but found nothing that can help me. I also read
the man pages but no luck. So, don't get me wrong. I am not lazy. If
someone can post a detailed guide  or write the steps I need to do I
would be very grateful. I don't want to fry my laptop so that's why I
am here asking for help.

It's been 12 hours of uptime@ laptop and the fan is working like I
would have a datacenter in my room.



Thanks to all that tried to help me so far.

Have a great day!
amt


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SOLVED! Samba clients refuse to connect to old win98 server even though client lanman auth = yes is set

2012-01-11 Thread Wojciech Zabołotny


Hi,

I had a problem with printing at work, where the printer is connected to old 
Win98 machine working as a print server.
Even though I set client lanman auth = yes option in /etc/samba/smb.conf I got 
the/Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED) status in the cups,
and when I tried to check the server with smbclient, I got the following 
messages:
$ smbclient -L MY_SERVER -U USER
Enter USER's password:
Server requested LANMAN password (share-level security) but 'client lanman auth 
= no' or 'client ntlmv2 auth = yes'

It appeared, that now it is necessary to set BOTH options:
client lanman auth = yes
client ntlmv2 auth = no
in the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to be able to connect to those old servers.

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Wojciech Zabołotny

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SOLVED! Samba clients refuse to connect to old win98 server even though client lanman auth = yes is set

2012-01-11 Thread Wojciech Zabołotny


Hi,

I had a problem with printing at work, where the printer is connected to old 
Win98 machine working as a print server.
Even though I set client lanman auth = yes option in /etc/samba/smb.conf I got the 
Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED) status in the cups,
and when I tried to check the server with smbclient, I got the following 
messages:

$ smbclient -L MY_SERVER -U USER
Enter USER's password:
Server requested LANMAN password (share-level security) but 'client lanman auth 
= no' or 'client ntlmv2 auth = yes'

It appeared, that now it is necessary to set BOTH options:
client lanman auth = yes
client ntlmv2 auth = no
in the /etc/samba/smb.conf file to be able to connect to those old servers.

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Re: Laptop fan doesn't stop

2012-01-11 Thread Sthu Deus

amt worte:
Output of  lsmod |grep -E 'cpufreq|powernow' is:


acpi_cpufreq5571  1
cpufreq_powersave902  0
cpufreq_conservative 5162  0
cpufreq_userspace   1992  0
cpufreq_stats   2740  0
processor  29935  3 acpi_cpufreq

Unfortunately I am very confused.

I have googled a lot but found nothing that can help me. I also read
the man pages but no luck. So, don't get me wrong. I am not lazy. If
someone can post a detailed guide  or write the steps I need to do I
would be very grateful. I don't want to fry my laptop so that's why I
am here asking for help.

It's been 12 hours of uptime@ laptop and the fan is working like I
would have a datacenter in my room.

Amt, please do not write to me directly - the mail list will be out of
our discussion - and You will suffer from this the most.

I do not advice You to do any terrible thing w/ Your laptop - adding
few lines to modules file and then removing it if necessary - is not a
big deal, nor will fry Your laptop.

We are just trying to find a solution for You - long time ago I fought
same problem and conquered it. Since that I had no problem w/ my fan.
But I do not remember all I did to solve it - therefore, I can not
provide for You a guide You are looking for. But such a situation has
another benefit - You, looking for something find other interesting
things that may help You in the future, so I suggest appreciate it too.

So, I advice You again to try to add those modules, - at least I did
not see the the powernow one. Here is mine output:

powernow_k817574  1 
mperf  12453  1 powernow_k8
cpufreq_userspace  12576  0 
cpufreq_stats  12866  0 
cpufreq_conservative13147  0 
cpufreq_powersave  12454  0 
processor  27949  1 powernow_k8

Try to make Yours same w/ mine. Reboot - to be sure all worked as it
should, then write back.


Sthu.


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Re: Message about ntp when updating

2012-01-11 Thread Sthu Deus

Good time of the day, Patrick.

You worte:
I see this message when running an update:

Installing new version of config file /etc/cron.daily/ntp ...
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `ntp'
overwrites defaults (empty).

Should I be concerned about it?  And, if so, what am I supposed to do
to correct it.

Not answering to Your question, but as mine opinion - if You do not
intend other hosts to be sync-ing time w/ this host, I think You need
the service at all. For sync-ing time from Internet for the host You
can use ntpdate in cron/anacron for example.


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Re: sbin

2012-01-11 Thread Tom H

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 00:42:10 +0800, lina wrote:

 Is it safe to add /sbin into PATH?

 To you user env? If it's not an exposed system, I'd say yes.

 It's even OK on an exposed system. Having (/usr)/sbin in PATH for
 everyone is the default for RHEL, Fedora, and Ubuntu and, anyway, the
 executables in (/usr)/sbin are all x for other.

 Somebody over there thinks that they should all be combined. Not sure
 why, but the fact that the current separation is historically derived
 from circumstance, not design, seems to figure large in the arguments.

Yes, in the next version of Fedora, 16, /bin/*, /sbin/*, and
/lib/* are being moved into /usr/bin/, /usr/sbin/, and
/usr/lib/. That's not quite the same thing. There's been talk of
following up in a future version with a move of /usr/sbin/* into
/usr/bin/ but, AFAIK, the decision to implement this second
unification hasn't been taken yet.


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Re: Best remote control software

2012-01-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:10:50 +1000, yudi wrote in message 
CACo--mu=L_N=q7yisvkwubeh-a1ukna2ppme0pgrtom93h2...@mail.gmail.com:

  Do you actually need the display from the laptop to be shown on the
  desktop machine's monitors? If you just wanted to direct your
  mouse/keyboard actions you could use Synergy provided you could
  still see the display.
 
 
 the main reason for this is to use the 24' desktop screen.

..use a vga, dvi, hdmi etc cable between the laptop and the 
24-incher (not feet, right???), any modern OS will pop up an 
offer to set it up with the 24-incher's native resolution.

..then again you have the sick machines needing a diagnosis 
and a cure, in those cases I use Debian, not Wintendo. ;o) 

..now, firing up FlightGear in a 24' screen dome, or dome 
screen, would be crazy nice. ;o) 

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Re: Best remote control software

2012-01-11 Thread Justin Jereza

 I was just wondering what is the best software solution available.
 Otherwise I might invest in a KVM switch.

If you just need the apps that run on your Linux PC but don't need the
desktop environment, you might want to look at xming, an xserver for
windows. I've used it before and it worked great for me.

You'll end up with your linux apps showing up as just another app window
but running on the linux box.

Re: Message about ntp when updating

Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 I see this message when running an update:
 
 Installing new version of config file /etc/cron.daily/ntp ...
 insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `ntp'
 overwrites defaults (empty).

That is a minor upgrade bug in the ntp package.  You had a previous
version of it (Lenny) installed and have since upgraded to a newer
version (Squeeze).  The older version included shutdown links so that
ntp would be stopped on shutdown.  The new package does not include
those links anymore.  But because they were there in /etc/ they are
accidentally preserved after the upgrade when they should have been
transitioned when the package was upgraded.

For reasons that I haven't been following there has been a push to
remove those shutdown links generally from everything.  I don't know
why.  Perhaps someone else will comment on why.  Removing those links
seems like it breaks going to single user mode directly from multiuser
mode but I only go to single user mode from a reboot anyway so I guess
that is okay.  I am sure the reasoning is that the reboot or halt will
kill everything no matter what so might as well get to it as quickly
as possible.  On a server machine this wouldn't ever be an issue but
waiting for a laptop to shutdown could be annoying.

The Lenny version had declared:

  # Default-Start:   2 3 4 5
  # Default-Stop:0 1 6

And with links created with:

  update-rc.d ntp defaults 23

The Squeeze version has declared:

  # Default-Start:   2 3 4 5
  # Default-Stop: 

And with links created with:

  update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .

But also remember that Squeeze will use 'insserv' to set up dependency
based boot symlinks if possible, ignoring the start 23 2 3 4 5 .
part of the above but using the Default-Start/Default-Stop headers
instead.  In the newer package there are no Default-Stop runlevels
declared.

Since the previous version had created kill symlinks to take action at
shutdown they were left behind.  The package upgrade runs the
update-rc.d line to set up symlinks and it is producing the message.
You can safely try this to see the message in detail:

  # update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .
  update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
  insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `ntp'
  overwrites defaults (empty).

That is the type of error that we are going to see a lot of for
several different packages as the push to remove shutdown links
continues and doesn't clean up after itself.

 Should I be concerned about it?  And, if so, what am I supposed to do
 to correct it.

It is okay to ignore since the issue is for the most part cosmetic.
However you might as well clean it up so that it the error message
goes away and doesn't obscure a real error message.

Find them with:

  $ find /etc/rc?.d -name 'K*ntp*'
  /etc/rc0.d/K02ntp
  /etc/rc1.d/K02ntp
  /etc/rc6.d/K02ntp

Clean them up by removing those files.  If you just ran find and are
happy with the files listed then you can add -delete to the find
command and it will delete them.

  # find /etc/rc?.d -name 'K*ntp*' -delete

Or remove them with an explicit command.

  # rm -f /etc/rc0.d/K02ntp /etc/rc1.d/K02ntp /etc/rc6.d/K02ntp

And then the update-rc.d from the upgrade script will run cleanly
without emitting that message.

  # update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .
  update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing

Bob


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Re: virtualbox guest addon don't working

2012-01-11 Thread Balint Szigeti


On 11/01/2012 12:01, Balint Szigeti wrote:

hello

I installed virtualbox-guest-additions, virtualbox-ose, 
virtualbox-ose-dkms, virtualbox-ose-qt packages.

lsmod says:
...
vboxdrv  1723671  2 vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt

I can't run mount -t vboxfs Share Target command because mount 
can't find vboxfs. I tried this:

modprobe vboxfs and modprobe vboxvfs but there isn't as module.
I searched this modul in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.* files but 
it was unsuccessfully.


Do you know how can I fix this problem?

Remark:
I didn't install any X server.

Thank you
Balint


Anybody  can't help to this? :(
oh, I use Debain 6.0.3


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Re: Message about ntp when updating

Sthu Deus wrote:
 Not answering to Your question, but as mine opinion - if You do not
 intend other hosts to be sync-ing time w/ this host, I think You need
 the service at all.

Time is important to most internet hosts.  We always hate to see email
from users with a date of 1970 for example.  I would always install
the ntp package to ensure that time is updated on the local host machine.

 For sync-ing time from Internet for the host You can use ntpdate in
 cron/anacron for example.

Please no.  Syncing time from cron is very bad.  It causes the clock
to be stepped and can create very hard to debug behavior.  Setting the
clock from cron is the worst way to do this.

For example if a process is set to trigger at a particular time and
the cron task changes the time out from under it then it will either
trigger early or late or possibly not at all.  For example on a file
server the time is used to set timestamps of files which is used by
the make program and jittery clocks can cause all kinds of strange
make behavior.  And those are just a couple of examples of weird
behavior that is possible.

It is much better to use a smart time protocol aware daemon such as
ntpd which knows how to smoothly adjust the time so that every clock
tick is seen and the time is kept updated without clock steps.

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smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

Okay, 
I'd written the list before but the mess has evolved.

I installed postfix+dovcot on my server at linode, per instructions here:
http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze
and I'm having several issues.

when I telnet localhost 25  ehlo localhost
I do not see 250-STARTTL
connections to the smtp server are refused (perhaps because of this?).

I see the following from tail /var/log/mail.err:
Jan 11 02:26:03 vulcan postfix/master[15403]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
Address already in use
Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
Address already in use

but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only thing using 
port 25 is the smtp server.
sudo lsof -i :25
COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
sendmail- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP 
localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)

I can read a mailbox over imap, but can not send/receive with smtp.
tail /var/log/mail.log shows:
Jan 11 11:28:23 vulcan dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=t...@tonybaldwin.org, 
method=PLAIN, rip=71.235.82.118, lip=66.228.33.98, TLS
Jan 11 11:28:46 vulcan dovecot: IMAP(t...@tonybaldwin.org): Disconnected: 
Logged out bytes=519/1911
Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
Address already in use
Jan 11 11:30:52 vulcan sm-mta[16672]: q0BGUbXY016672: localhost.localdomain 
[127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA-v4
Jan 11 11:39:58 vulcan postfix/postdrop[16706]: warning: unable to look up 
public/pickup: No such file or directory

Also, while hostname -f shows me the correct FQDN (vulcan.tonybaldwin.org), 
when I use openssl to write a certificate,
the cert says it is from vuldan.linode.com.
The correct FQDN is set in postfix/main.cf, as well.

Users on the server can mail each other with mailx, but not with mutt or 
squirrelmail, since, of course,
those must pass through the smtp server.
If I send myself a mail from this gmx acct, I get not bounce or error from my 
server (tonybaldwin.org), 
but nothing shows up at the other end, and, when I try to send mail from 
tonybaldwin.org with mutt, 
I see
could not connect to mail.tonybaldwin.org (connection refused).

If I try to send mail with squirrelmail, I get this:
Service not available, closing channel
421 4.3.0 collect: Cannot write ./dfq0BHpDOX016962 (bfcommit, uid=0, gid=113): 
No such file or directory

So, clearly, I'm a mess.
I swear, I followed the instructions in the tutorial mentioned above.

Any and all assistance appreciated.

thanks,
tony
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Re: smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

2012-01-11 Thread The_Ace

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Tony Baldwin tonybald...@gmx.com wrote:

 Okay,
 I'd written the list before but the mess has evolved.

 I installed postfix+dovcot on my server at linode, per instructions here:
 http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze
 and I'm having several issues.

 when I telnet localhost 25  ehlo localhost
 I do not see 250-STARTTL
 connections to the smtp server are refused (perhaps because of this?).

 I see the following from tail /var/log/mail.err:
 Jan 11 02:26:03 vulcan postfix/master[15403]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25:
 Address already in use
 Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25:
 Address already in use

 but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only thing
 using port 25 is the smtp server.
 sudo lsof -i :25
 COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
 *sendmail*- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP
 localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)


I'm guessing your server has sendmail installed as well..

Re: Which /var/ contents are disposable

2012-01-11 Thread Karl E. Jørgensen

On 11/01/12 18:13, T o n g wrote:

Hi,

Which /var/ contents are disposable?
I mean, for contents in var/backups/ var/log/ var/mail/ var/tmp/ etc, if
I don't backup them, when doing a *full* system restore, will there be
any problem?

Any more folders I can add to above list?

This will be useful for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard

For the purposes of doing a full system restore, I believe it should be
safe to NOT back up:

* /var/cache - stuff that can be re-generated if needed.
* /var/lock - run-time lock files. IIRC it starts out empty upon
boot anyway
* /var/run - pid files and the like

To this list you may be able to add:

* /var/spool - but things like personal crontabs, at-jobs, printer
spool files (stuff-not-yet-printed) will be lost
* /var/tmp - usually only used for saving files by editors for crash
recovery
* /var/mail - if people are OK losing their mail (but they're
usually not).

Hope this helps

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installing electricsheep in sid

2012-01-11 Thread Brad Alexander

Hi,

I just rebuilt my workstation and wanted to install the electrichseep
screensaver. When I try, it fails:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 electricsheep : Depends: libavcodec52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable or
  libavcodec-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable
 Depends: libavformat52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable or
  libavformat-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable
 Depends: libavutil50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable or
  libavutil-extra-50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable
E: Broken packages

I know that the libavcodec52 packages have been replaced in sid with
libavcodec53. Is there a workaround for electricsheep to get it to work
with the new packages, or do I just need to update the depends and rebuild
the deb?

Thanks,
--b

Re: Message about ntp when updating

2012-01-11 Thread Patrick Wiseman

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 I see this message when running an update:

 Installing new version of config file /etc/cron.daily/ntp ...
 insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `ntp'
 overwrites defaults (empty).

 That is a minor upgrade bug in the ntp package.  You had a previous
 version of it (Lenny) installed and have since upgraded to a newer
 version (Squeeze).  The older version included shutdown links so that
 ntp would be stopped on shutdown.  The new package does not include
 those links anymore.  But because they were there in /etc/ they are
 accidentally preserved after the upgrade when they should have been
 transitioned when the package was upgraded.

 For reasons that I haven't been following there has been a push to
 remove those shutdown links generally from everything.  I don't know
 why.  Perhaps someone else will comment on why.  Removing those links
 seems like it breaks going to single user mode directly from multiuser
 mode but I only go to single user mode from a reboot anyway so I guess
 that is okay.  I am sure the reasoning is that the reboot or halt will
 kill everything no matter what so might as well get to it as quickly
 as possible.  On a server machine this wouldn't ever be an issue but
 waiting for a laptop to shutdown could be annoying.

 The Lenny version had declared:

  # Default-Start:   2 3 4 5
  # Default-Stop:    0 1 6

 And with links created with:

  update-rc.d ntp defaults 23

 The Squeeze version has declared:

  # Default-Start:   2 3 4 5
  # Default-Stop:

 And with links created with:

  update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .

 But also remember that Squeeze will use 'insserv' to set up dependency
 based boot symlinks if possible, ignoring the start 23 2 3 4 5 .
 part of the above but using the Default-Start/Default-Stop headers
 instead.  In the newer package there are no Default-Stop runlevels
 declared.

 Since the previous version had created kill symlinks to take action at
 shutdown they were left behind.  The package upgrade runs the
 update-rc.d line to set up symlinks and it is producing the message.
 You can safely try this to see the message in detail:

  # update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .
  update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
  insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 6) of script `ntp'
  overwrites defaults (empty).

 That is the type of error that we are going to see a lot of for
 several different packages as the push to remove shutdown links
 continues and doesn't clean up after itself.

 Should I be concerned about it?  And, if so, what am I supposed to do
 to correct it.

 It is okay to ignore since the issue is for the most part cosmetic.
 However you might as well clean it up so that it the error message
 goes away and doesn't obscure a real error message.

 Find them with:

  $ find /etc/rc?.d -name 'K*ntp*'
  /etc/rc0.d/K02ntp
  /etc/rc1.d/K02ntp
  /etc/rc6.d/K02ntp

 Clean them up by removing those files.  If you just ran find and are
 happy with the files listed then you can add -delete to the find
 command and it will delete them.

  # find /etc/rc?.d -name 'K*ntp*' -delete

 Or remove them with an explicit command.

  # rm -f /etc/rc0.d/K02ntp /etc/rc1.d/K02ntp /etc/rc6.d/K02ntp

 And then the update-rc.d from the upgrade script will run cleanly
 without emitting that message.

  # update-rc.d ntp start 23 2 3 4 5 .
  update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing

Thank you for this above-and-beyond extraordinarily helpful reply!

Patrick


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[WAY OT] Wooden branches

2012-01-11 Thread Harry Putnam

Is anyone here willing to talk to me off list via email about the
native woods in there area.

I'm looking for branches of very hard dense woods, like rock maple,
american hornbeam, Iron wood, Lignum Vitae, and any very heavy wood.

I want to make a variety of very heavy walking sticks.  Its become a
hobby. 

If you have access to actual tree branches (no lumber) in your area
please let me know.

The branches need to fit these criteria:

Be at least 6 ft long.  very close to 3 in diameter at the base and no
less than 1.5 inches diameter at the 6 ft mark.

The do not have to be terribly straight, but do need to be usable as a
walking stick (aside from being way heaver than is usual.

So pardon my butting in here please but if you are willing please
contact me off list at 

Harry hp...@fastmail.fm


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Thunderbird 9.0.1 does not launch

2012-01-11 Thread francis picabia

I normally have no problem with this.  I install thunderbird
update when prompted by the app and it is normally
able to update itself.  Today it seemed to update, but
then nothing came back up.  Manually launching it
failed to do anything - no error.

I downloaded a fresh bzipped tar and installed it
in a new directory.  Running thunderbird from there
on the command line also does nothing.  I can run
with -h and it shows help, or -v and it shows
the version is 9.0.1. OK.

I am running the file thunderbird as I have always done.

Has anyone else run into problems and found a solution?

The last 3.1 icedove from mozilla.debian.net works OK, but it
doesn't see the most recent thunderbird 8 configuration of
accounts, etc.

I found moz_libdir in the thunderbird script was pointing to
a non-existant directory, but even pointing this at itself
did not help.


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Re: Message about ntp when updating

2012-01-11 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz

Bob Proulx wrote, on 01/11/12 18:32:
 Sthu Deus wrote:
 Not answering to Your question, but as mine opinion - if You do not
 intend other hosts to be sync-ing time w/ this host, I think You need
 the service at all.
 
 Time is important to most internet hosts.  We always hate to see email
 from users with a date of 1970 for example.  I would always install
 the ntp package to ensure that time is updated on the local host machine.
 
 For sync-ing time from Internet for the host You can use ntpdate in
 cron/anacron for example.
 
 Please no.  Syncing time from cron is very bad.  It causes the clock
 to be stepped and can create very hard to debug behavior.  Setting the
 clock from cron is the worst way to do this.
 
 For example if a process is set to trigger at a particular time and
 the cron task changes the time out from under it then it will either
 trigger early or late or possibly not at all.  For example on a file
 server the time is used to set timestamps of files which is used by
 the make program and jittery clocks can cause all kinds of strange
 make behavior.  And those are just a couple of examples of weird
 behavior that is possible.
 
 It is much better to use a smart time protocol aware daemon such as
 ntpd which knows how to smoothly adjust the time so that every clock
 tick is seen and the time is kept updated without clock steps.
 
 Bob

Here I'm using rdate -an in a cron job with something like the following

  rdate -acnv $NTPHOST

the -a option uses the adjtime(2) call to gradually skew the local time to
the remote time rather than just hopping.
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Re: smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

2012-01-11 Thread Markus Schönhaber

11.01.2012 18:51, Tony Baldwin:

 when I telnet localhost 25  ehlo localhost
 I do not see 250-STARTTL
 connections to the smtp server are refused (perhaps because of this?).
 
 I see the following from tail /var/log/mail.err:
 Jan 11 02:26:03 vulcan postfix/master[15403]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
 Address already in use
 Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
 Address already in use
 
 but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only thing using 
 port 25 is the smtp server.

The smtp server is obviously not the stmp server you think it is.

 sudo lsof -i :25
 COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
 sendmail- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP 
 localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)

Stop and/or uninstall sendmail (or whatever this process might belong to).

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Keyboard layout detection

2012-01-11 Thread Panayiotis Karabassis


Hi,

I installed Debian on my new Asus Eee PC and even though it works almost 
flawlessly, I am having trouble finding the correct keyboard layout. The 
obvious ones (Generic and Asus laptop) have some characters wrong.


I remember from some installation (either Debian or Ubuntu) being asked 
to type keys to have the installer detect my layout. I wonder, does 
anyone know the name of this program, and the package that provides it?


Best regards,
Panayiotis


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Gnome Shell battery indicator missing

2012-01-11 Thread Panayiotis Karabassis


The title is self-explanatory. This is a new installation of Wheezy.

Has anyone else observed this?

The only related message I can find in the logs, is a complaint about 
gnome-power-manager missing. Indeed the package with the same name 
contains only a gnome-power-statistics binary.


Many thanks in advance,
Panayiotis


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Re: Network not working on Shuttle XS35GTV2

2012-01-11 Thread Ramon Hofer

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:09:21 +, Ramon Hofer wrote:

 On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:01:16 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 
 On Ma, 10 ian 12, 16:22:10, Ramon Hofer wrote:
 
 You wrote in your first answer I should update to the newest kernel.
 At the moment is 2.6.32-5-amd64 installed. How can I do that without a
 network connection?
 
 USB sticks can be very handy in such cases. It would also be useful if
 you could attach some bigger informations:
 
 ifconfig -a
 dmesg
 
 dmesg http://pastebin.com/sBtbX2T7

In dmesg (Pastebin lines 448ff) there seems that the interface is 
recognized.
But I don't know if the firmware bug (line 262) may be the problem.
On the Shuttle website the BIOS version 1.03 is the newest one which is 
the on that's installed on my box too.

The interface broke some time ago but with Debian and OpenELEC there was 
no problem only with Ubuntu.
Really strange.


Regards
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s2disk resume failure: drive not found

2012-01-11 Thread Nicolas Bercher


Hi,

I enjoy suspend to disk using s2disk (package uswsusp) on several
computers.  However, on a laptop (dell e4200 with SSD drive),
s2disk succeeds in hibernating the laptop (s2disk) but can't find
the swap device, /dev/dm-2, on reboot in order to reload the
system.  I've checked for it: swap is really /dev/dm-2 and I have
only one swap volume.

Because this swap lives in a LVM Logical Volume, I also tried any
other variants I know to point to this LV in /etc/uswsusp.conf:
  /dev/local/swap
  /dev/mapper/local-swap

Do I have to do something after modifying /etc/uswsusp.conf such
as updating initramfs?

I feel there's something tricky here, does anyone experienced the
same or have any suggestions?

Thanks for help.
Nicolas

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PS: cat /etc/uswsusp.conf
# /etc/uswsusp.conf(8) -- Configuration file for s2disk/s2both
resume device = /dev/dm-2
compress = y
early writeout = y
image size = 1689562071
RSA key file = /etc/uswsusp.key
shutdown method = platform
snapshot device = /dev/snapshot
[nbercher@ocarina:2011.iwp9 (master-nbercher2)]$ ll /dev/sn
snapshot  snd/  sndstat


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Re: Gnome Shell battery indicator missing

2012-01-11 Thread Johan Grönqvist


2012-01-11 20:26, Panayiotis Karabassis skrev:

The title is self-explanatory. This is a new installation of Wheezy.

Has anyone else observed this?



Yes, i see it too in a wheezy installation I installed this year.


The only related message I can find in the logs, is a complaint about
gnome-power-manager missing. Indeed the package with the same name
contains only a gnome-power-statistics binary.


I think that such functionality is being moved around (between 
libraries) in the transition to gnome 3.0 to gnome 3.2, and since wheezy 
currently contains a mixture of the two releases (gnome-shell is not yet 
updated to 3.2), I have just assumed that it would return when 
gnome-shell 3.2 transitions to wheezy.


I am neither certain, nor do I have a solution, but if I had considered 
this a major problem, I would have updated gnome-shell to 3.2 from 
unstable (and some other gnome-related packages would also have to be 
upgraded). (Assuming you use linux)



Regards

Johan


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Re: s2disk resume failure: drive not found

2012-01-11 Thread Celejar

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:58:20 +0100
Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I enjoy suspend to disk using s2disk (package uswsusp) on several
 computers.  However, on a laptop (dell e4200 with SSD drive),
 s2disk succeeds in hibernating the laptop (s2disk) but can't find
 the swap device, /dev/dm-2, on reboot in order to reload the
 system.  I've checked for it: swap is really /dev/dm-2 and I have
 only one swap volume.
 
 Because this swap lives in a LVM Logical Volume, I also tried any
 other variants I know to point to this LV in /etc/uswsusp.conf:
/dev/local/swap
/dev/mapper/local-swap
 
 Do I have to do something after modifying /etc/uswsusp.conf such
 as updating initramfs?

Yes - I've often had similar problems, and I'm pretty sure that
updating the initramfs is required. [I suspend to a swap LVM volume on
top of a LUKS container.]

 I feel there's something tricky here, does anyone experienced the
 same or have any suggestions?

Celejar


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Re: virtualbox guest addon don't working

2012-01-11 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 11/01/12 23:01, Balint Szigeti wrote:
 hello
 
 I installed virtualbox-guest-additions, virtualbox-ose,
 virtualbox-ose-dkms, virtualbox-ose-qt packages.
 lsmod says:
 ...
 vboxdrv  1723671  2 vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt
 
 I can't run mount -t vboxfs Share Target command because mount
 can't find vboxfs. I tried this:
 modprobe vboxfs and modprobe vboxvfs but there isn't as module.
 I searched this modul in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.* files but it
 was unsuccessfully.
 
 Do you know how can I fix this problem?
 
 Remark:
 I didn't install any X server.
 
 Thank you
 Balint
 
 
mount -t vbox*sf*

eg.:-
# mount -t vboxsf Signatures /media/sf_Signatures
# mount | grep Signatures
# Signatures on /media/sf_Signatures type vboxsf (rw)



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Re: installing electricsheep in sid

2012-01-11 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 12/01/12 05:29, Brad Alexander wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I just rebuilt my workstation and wanted to install the electrichseep
 screensaver. When I try, it fails:
 
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 �electricsheep : Depends: libavcodec52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
 installable or
 � libavcodec-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is
 not installable
  Depends: libavformat52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
 installable or
 � libavformat-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is
 not installable
  Depends: libavutil50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
 installable or
 � libavutil-extra-50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
 installable
 E: Broken packages
 
 I know that the libavcodec52 packages have been replaced in sid with
 libavcodec53. Is there a workaround for electricsheep to get it to work
 with the new packages, or do I just need to update the depends and
 rebuild the deb?
 
 Thanks,
 --b


I'm puzzled - why not just:-
# apt-get install electricsheep



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Re: Network not working on Shuttle XS35GTV2

On Mi, 11 ian 12, 19:31:18, Ramon Hofer wrote:
  
  dmesg http://pastebin.com/sBtbX2T7

What I'm missing in your dmesg is a Link is Up... notice.

Please make sure you have the correct ethernet cable and the link led is 
on. You might also want to test with a known good cable and check the 
link led also on the other side (switch?). You might also want to test 
different ports on your switch or even replace with a known good switch.

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Re: installing electricsheep in sid

Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I'm puzzled - why not just:-
 # apt-get install electricsheep

It is just that apt-get.  But in Sid there is a transition happening
from ffmpeg to libav and Sid's electricsheep is broken concerning this
and needs to be updated.  The original poster just didn't show the
full command history.

Here is a relevant bug report on it:

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638560

Here is the full trace after a fresh update today.

  # apt-get update
  ...
  # apt-get install -s electricsheep
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree   
  Reading state information... Done
  Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
  requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
  distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
  or been moved out of Incoming.
  The following information may help to resolve the situation:

  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   electricsheep : Depends: libavcodec52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
   installable or
libavcodec-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not 
installable
   Depends: libavformat52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not 
installable or
libavformat-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not 
installable
   Depends: libavutil50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not installable 
or
libavutil-extra-50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not 
installable
  E: Broken packages

Really what needs to happen is that the electricsheep package needs to
be updated.

Bob


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Re: smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:30:10PM +0530, The_Ace wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Tony Baldwin tonybald...@gmx.com wrote:
 
  Okay,
  I'd written the list before but the mess has evolved.
 
  I installed postfix+dovcot on my server at linode, per instructions here:
  http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze
  and I'm having several issues.
 
  when I telnet localhost 25  ehlo localhost
  I do not see 250-STARTTL
  connections to the smtp server are refused (perhaps because of this?).
 
  I see the following from tail /var/log/mail.err:
  Jan 11 02:26:03 vulcan postfix/master[15403]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25:
  Address already in use
  Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25:
  Address already in use
 
  but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only thing
  using port 25 is the smtp server.
  sudo lsof -i :25
  COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
  *sendmail*- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP
  localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)
 
 
 I'm guessing your server has sendmail installed as well..

My understanding is that postfix has a process named sendmail.

aptitude show sendmail indicates that I do not have sendmail installed.
aptitude show sendmail
Package: sendmail
State: not installed

But I do have whereis sendmail
sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/lib/sendmail /usr/share/sendmail 
/usr/share/man/man1/sendmail.1.gz

If I aptitude remove sendmail, it just says it isn't installed.
The /usr/sbin/sendmail, etc., to my knowledge, are part of postfix.

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Re: smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 08:13:53PM +0100, Markus Schönhaber wrote:
 11.01.2012 18:51, Tony Baldwin:
 
  when I telnet localhost 25  ehlo localhost
  I do not see 250-STARTTL
  connections to the smtp server are refused (perhaps because of this?).
  
  I see the following from tail /var/log/mail.err:
  Jan 11 02:26:03 vulcan postfix/master[15403]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
  Address already in use
  Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
  Address already in use
  
  but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only thing 
  using port 25 is the smtp server.
 
 The smtp server is obviously not the stmp server you think it is.
 
  sudo lsof -i :25
  COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
  sendmail- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP 
  localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)
 
 Stop and/or uninstall sendmail (or whatever this process might belong to).


I think I just addressed that.
I do not have sendmail installed.

$ sudo aptitude remove sendmail
NUCLEAR LAUNCH CODE: 
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

My understanding is that postfix has something with the same name.

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Re: virtualbox guest addon don't working

On Mi, 11 ian 12, 17:27:25, Balint Szigeti wrote:
 On 11/01/2012 12:01, Balint Szigeti wrote:
...
 Do you know how can I fix this problem?
...
 Anybody  can't help to this? :(
 oh, I use Debain 6.0.3

Hi Balint,

May I kindly suggest for the future that you do not just reply to some 
message from debian-user. Most readers here use mail software that sorts 
messages by how they belong to each other (threading), not just the 
subject. In such cases your message will be hidden in another, totally 
unrelated thread.

Also, please consider that people write here in their free time. 5 hours 
is not necessarily a long time to wait :)

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Re: Keyboard layout detection

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 09:22:15PM +0200, Panayiotis Karabassis wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I installed Debian on my new Asus Eee PC and even though it works
 almost flawlessly, I am having trouble finding the correct keyboard
 layout. The obvious ones (Generic and Asus laptop) have some
 characters wrong.
 
 I remember from some installation (either Debian or Ubuntu) being
 asked to type keys to have the installer detect my layout. I wonder,
 does anyone know the name of this program, and the package that
 provides it?

I do not know what pkg you seek, however, you can manually set the layout with 
xsetkbmap.

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Re: installing electricsheep in sid

2012-01-11 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com


11/01/2012 22:17, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 12/01/12 05:29, Brad Alexander wrote:

Hi,

I just rebuilt my workstation and wanted to install the electrichseep
screensaver. When I try, it fails:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
�electricsheep : Depends: libavcodec52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable or
� libavcodec-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is
not installable
 Depends: libavformat52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable or
� libavformat-extra-52 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is
not installable
 Depends: libavutil50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable or
� libavutil-extra-50 (= 4:0.6-1~) but it is not
installable
E: Broken packages

I know that the libavcodec52 packages have been replaced in sid with
libavcodec53. Is there a workaround for electricsheep to get it to work
with the new packages, or do I just need to update the depends and
rebuild the deb?

Thanks,
--b



I'm puzzled - why not just:-
# apt-get install electricsheep



Cheers



Because it fails ? ;-)


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Re: Message about ntp when updating

On Mi, 11 ian 12, 10:26:48, Bob Proulx wrote:
 
 For reasons that I haven't been following there has been a push to
 remove those shutdown links generally from everything.  I don't know
 why.  Perhaps someone else will comment on why.  Removing those links
 seems like it breaks going to single user mode directly from multiuser
 mode but I only go to single user mode from a reboot anyway so I guess
 that is okay.  I am sure the reasoning is that the reboot or halt will
 kill everything no matter what so might as well get to it as quickly
 as possible.  On a server machine this wouldn't ever be an issue but
 waiting for a laptop to shutdown could be annoying.

From lurking on debian-devel I can tell that your guess is right on :)
(the motive is to speed-up the shutdown).

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Re: smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

Tony Baldwin wrote:
 I installed postfix+dovcot on my server at linode, per instructions here:
 http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze
 and I'm having several issues.

The 'apt-get install postfix' part seems okay to me.  This should
have pushed out any conflicting packages.

 when I telnet localhost 25  ehlo localhost

Please don't paraphrase.  When asking for a second brain to review
please instead show us exactly what you are doing and seeing.  We
might see something that you already read and discounted.

 I do not see 250-STARTTL
 connections to the smtp server are refused (perhaps because of this?).

What shows up in /var/log/mail.log during this time?  You should at
the least see the connection being logged.

 I see the following from tail /var/log/mail.err:
 Jan 11 02:26:03 vulcan postfix/master[15403]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
 Address already in use
 Jan 11 11:30:30 vulcan postfix/master[16665]: fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: 
 Address already in use

Then you already know that you need to kill this other process and
restart postfix.

 but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only thing using 
 port 25 is the smtp server.
 sudo lsof -i :25
 COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
 sendmail- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP 
 localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)

You need the full name of the process 10742.  What is:

  ps -fp 10742

That is the process you need to find and kill.  And you need to
prevent it from being started again ever.  And you need to understand
why it is running now in the first place.

Bob


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Re: smtp/postfix/sasl/openssh headaches

On Mi, 11 ian 12, 16:41:33, Tony Baldwin wrote:
   but according to lsof and netstat, as far as I can tell, the only 
   thing using port 25 is the smtp server.
  
  The smtp server is obviously not the stmp server you think it is.
  
   sudo lsof -i :25
   COMMAND PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
   sendmail- 10742 root3u  IPv4  14207  0t0  TCP 
   localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)
 
 My understanding is that postfix has something with the same name.

From my box (squeeze and postfix):

# lsof -i :25
COMMAND   PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
master  12339 root   12u  IPv4 631016  0t0  TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN)

Something is listening to port 25, but it is not postfix. Please run

aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent~i

on your box. If the only result is postfix and you can't think of any 
other software on your machine that might listen to port 25 I would 
suspect a rootkit :(

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Re: Message about ntp when updating

Andrei Popescu wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  For reasons that I haven't been following there has been a push to
  remove those shutdown links generally from everything.  I don't know
  why.  Perhaps someone else will comment on why.  Removing those links
  seems like it breaks going to single user mode directly from multiuser
  mode but I only go to single user mode from a reboot anyway so I guess
  that is okay.  I am sure the reasoning is that the reboot or halt will
  kill everything no matter what so might as well get to it as quickly
  as possible.  On a server machine this wouldn't ever be an issue but
  waiting for a laptop to shutdown could be annoying.
 
 From lurking on debian-devel I can tell that your guess is right on :)
 (the motive is to speed-up the shutdown).

Is there a plan for packages to deal with the links that are left
behind?  Could we, should we, start filing bugs if a package doesn't
make the transition cleanly?

Is there an explicit abandonment of going to single user mode directly
from multuser mode?  This certainly breaks it implicitly.  However
since I always reboot first anyway I can't really complain since I
already didn't trust it for that purpose.

Thanks,
Bob


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Re: s2disk resume failure: drive not found

2012-01-11 Thread Nicolas Bercher


On 11/01/2012 22:03, Celejar wrote:

Do I have to do something after modifying /etc/uswsusp.conf such
as updating initramfs?


Yes - I've often had similar problems, and I'm pretty sure that
updating the initramfs is required. [I suspend to a swap LVM volume on
top of a LUKS container.]


OK, I'll do it.

Does anyone know which path to my swap@LVM I should use in
/etc/uswsusp.conf ?

I noticed that on every other computer I use, /dev/dm-N is
used and is working good.  So I'm worried about the fact that
/dev/dm-2 is not working on my laptop and I'm not so hopeful
about other naming of my LVM LV.

...

I've just tested /dev/local/swap and updated initrd using

  update-initramfs -u

I still have the following message on resume:

  could not stat the resume device '/dev/local/swap'

It asks me to enter the path to the device, hence I can try
everything I know.  But it still fails.

Could it be related to the SSD drive?

Nicolas


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Re: s2disk resume failure: drive not found

2012-01-11 Thread Celejar

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:16:25 +0100
Nicolas Bercher nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 On 11/01/2012 22:03, Celejar wrote:
  Do I have to do something after modifying /etc/uswsusp.conf such
  as updating initramfs?
 
  Yes - I've often had similar problems, and I'm pretty sure that
  updating the initramfs is required. [I suspend to a swap LVM volume on
  top of a LUKS container.]
 
 OK, I'll do it.
 
 Does anyone know which path to my swap@LVM I should use in
 /etc/uswsusp.conf ?

I use /dev/mapper/lizzie-swap, where lizzie is the name of the VG.

 I noticed that on every other computer I use, /dev/dm-N is
 used and is working good.  So I'm worried about the fact that
 /dev/dm-2 is not working on my laptop and I'm not so hopeful
 about other naming of my LVM LV.

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Re: Dvorak Keyboards.

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Serban

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:15:19 +0100
Andreas Weber ae...@worldwideweber.ch wrote:

  My question: is it really worth the trouble of learning a new way of
  typing, if you are already a moderately competent touch typist on the
  QWERTY keyboard?
 
 No, it's not. Only if you always work on your own hardware. But as soon
 as you have to touch different machines ... QWERT is everywhere (like vi
 on *nix machines).
 

While that argument may stand in a logical sense, yes that is a drawback.
Once I learned where all of the keys are placed on my colemak layout I
found that I did have to hunt and peck when using qwerty.  A while later,
it felt like it magically came back and now, while not proficient, I can
certainly still type in qwerty if the circumstance dictates.

I've heard the same story from others I've talked to and feel that it
really isn't an issue, certainly in my case from my own experience.

 Learn to type properly and use a Natural 4000 M$ Keyboard is my
 suggestion. And don't overtrain in the beginning, learn to type as if
 you would learn to run a marathon. It'll take some time, your body has
 to adapt first.

Maybe that argument does hold some water, but is simply IMHO a band-aid on
top of the problem.  RSI can be tackled from many different angles, and
your solution may be one of them, though I could point to your argument
above;  If not using your own hardware, would that not be a detriment
after getting used to the MS Natural keyboard?

I find that all of my computers, and versions of consoles, distributions
and desktop environments have very excellent support for other keyboard
layouts.  Heck, even my Android phone sports a colemak layout, and touch
typing on that device certainly doesn't have the same meaning.  Usually I
can find a way to use my layout, if not, qwerty like I've said isn't a far
stretch for me.

 Just my 2c.
 
 

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