Re: Debian Releases

[Francisco M Neto]

Thank you all for the answers!

I've writted the second part, and it should be going up tomorrow
morning:

http://fmneto.com.br/en/archives/2019/tracking-the-debian-release-cycle

I hope you like it. 

Cheers!
Francisco

On Fri, 2019-05-17 at 23:12 -0700, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> looking forward to it, thanks
> 
> On 5/17/19 1:55 PM, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > On Fri, 2019-05-17 at 21:35 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > > Don't forget:
> > > 
> > > https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
> > I'm gonna cover that on the next post ;-)
> > 
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Re: kvm win8 guest audio is terrible.

[David Christensen]

On 5/20/19 2:55 PM, R. Ramesh wrote:
I created a fresh install of debian stretch amd64. In that I created a 
qemu/kvm guess install of win8. It only accepted hda as a valid sound 
card. All others show us without drivers. So, I am limited to only HDA 
as -soundhw. Further HDA sounds so broken if I try to test with any 
sound file or youtube video. It is grainy/distorted and outright horrible.


Google searches mentions something about MSI and those approaches are 
simply not accepted by win8. So, I could not use them. I am wondering if 
there is something fundamentally wrong with windows guests or is there a 
setting that I missing.


Ramesh


I have yet to see any virtual machine be as responsive as a host.  The 
latency is especially obvious when playing multimedia -- e.g. audio and 
video.  (I assume video games would be equally bad.)  If you want good 
audio and video performance, install Windows 8 directly on hardware.



David

Re: Lançamentos da Debian

[Francisco M Neto]

Obrigado pela resposta!

Escrevi o segundo post. Ele deve entrar no ar amanhã de manhã:

http://fmneto.com.br/archives/2019/acompanhando-o-lancamento-da-debian

Abraços!
Francisco

On Sat, 2019-05-18 at 09:23 -0300, Qobi Ben Nun wrote:
> Olá, Francisco
> 
> 
> Em 17 de maio de 2019 17:08:06 BRT, Francisco M Neto <
> fmn...@fmneto.com.br> escreveu:
> > Boa tarde!
> > 
> > Criei o primeiro de uma série (de provavelmente 2) posts sobre o
> > ciclo
> > de
> > lançamentos da Debian. 
> > 
> 
> Sua iniciativa é muito boa. Parabéns!
> 
> > Eu adoraria receber comentários a respeito, principalmente se vierem
> > de
> > alguém
> > com  maior proximidade que eu à Debian.
> > 
> 
> Se contar a opinião de quem usa Debian há quase 15 anos, digo que seu
> texto é bem leve e tranquilo de ler. 
> Algo desse tipo poderia estar na Wiki do Projeto. Meu apoio já tem.
> 
> > http://fmneto.com.br/archives/2019/entendendo-os-releases-da-debian/
> > 
> > Abraços!
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Buster emacs crashes with doc-view-mode

[Boyan Penkov]

Hello folks,

In EMACS, I often switch between doc-view and pdf-view to read PDFs.
Occasionally, EMACS crashes with this backtrace:

Backtrace:
emacs[0x5114ce]
emacs[0x4f6eda]
emacs[0x50f9ae]
emacs[0x50fbc8]
emacs[0x50fcb9]
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0(+0x12730)[0x7fea71fd8730]
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0xa214f)[0x7fea71b5214f]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libMagickCore-6.Q16.so.6(ReadBlob+0x21e)[0x7fea72fd8fae]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.9.10/modules-Q16/coders/png.so(+0x4e9e)[0x7fea64b5be9e]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16(+0x1a90f)[0x7fea7544f90f]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16(+0x1a9ea)[0x7fea7544f9ea]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16(+0x1f3b2)[0x7fea754543b2]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng16.so.16(png_read_row+0x10f)[0x7fea7544681f]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.9.10/modules-Q16/coders/png.so(+0xccdf)[0x7fea64b63cdf]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ImageMagick-6.9.10/modules-Q16/coders/png.so(+0xda9e)[0x7fea64b64a9e]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libMagickCore-6.Q16.so.6(ReadImage+0x320)[0x7fea7300fc20]
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libMagickWand-6.Q16.so.6(MagickReadImage+0x6a)[0x7fea732f16aa]
emacs[0x5e3dbd]
emacs[0x5ecc4e]
emacs[0x5ed150]
emacs[0x56dc2c]
emacs[0x5a5260]
emacs[0x56dbab]
emacs[0x5a5260]
emacs[0x56dbab]
emacs[0x5a5260]
emacs[0x56dbab]
emacs[0x56f92a]
emacs[0x56dc2c]
emacs[0x5a5260]
emacs[0x56dbab]
emacs[0x56dcea]
emacs[0x4fd42f]
emacs[0x4fd7e5]
emacs[0x4fe2c8]
emacs[0x500b28]
emacs[0x5b03a8]
emacs[0x4244ba]
emacs[0x50319b]
emacs[0x504900]
emacs[0x505fd4]
...

[1]  + bus error  emacs

This is intensely annoying, since I usually have ~100 PDFs open.  Any ideas?

Cheers!
-- 
Boyan Penkov

borked upgrade ?

[Frank McCormick]

Updated my Debian sid install today with mixed results.


Setting up e2fsprogs (1.45.1-2) ...
Installing new version of config file /etc/cron.d/e2scrub_all ...
update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
e2scrub_all.service is a disabled or a static unit not running, not 
starting it.
Job for e2scrub_reap.service failed because the control process exited 
with error code.
See "systemctl status e2scrub_reap.service" and "journalctl -xe" for 
details.

Setting up e2fsprogs-l10n (1.45.1-2) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.8.5-2) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.28-10) ...
Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.133) ...
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-5-amd64

So I took the suggestion to run systemctl and journalctl -xe


root@franklin:/home/frank# systemctl status e2scrub_reap.service
● e2scrub_reap.service - Remove Stale Online ext4 Metadata Check Snapshots
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/e2scrub_reap.service; enabled; 
vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Mon 2019-05-20 18:10:42 
EDT; 4min 29s ago

 Docs: man:e2scrub_all(8)
  Process: 9640 ExecStart=/sbin/e2scrub_all -C -A -r (code=exited, 
status=2)

 Main PID: 9640 (code=exited, status=2)

May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: Starting Remove Stale Online ext4 
Metadata Check Snapshots...
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]: /sbin/e2scrub_all: illegal 
option -- C
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]: Usage: /sbin/e2scrub_all 
[OPTIONS]
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -n: Show what commands 
e2scrub_all would execute.

May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -r: Remove e2scrub snapshots.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -A: Scrub all ext[234] 
filesystems even if not mounted.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -V: Print version 
information and exit.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: e2scrub_reap.service: Main process 
exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT
May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: e2scrub_reap.service: Failed with 
result 'exit-code'.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: Failed to start Remove Stale Online 
ext4 Metadata Check Snapshots.



Now journalctl -xe

May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]: Usage: /sbin/e2scrub_all 
[OPTIONS]
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -n: Show what commands 
e2scrub_all would execute.

May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -r: Remove e2scrub snapshots.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -A: Scrub all ext[234] 
filesystems even if not mounted.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin e2scrub_reap[9640]:  -V: Print version 
information and exit.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: e2scrub_reap.service: Main process 
exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT

-- Subject: Unit process exited
-- Defined-By: systemd
-- Support: https://www.debian.org/support
--
-- An ExecStart= process belonging to unit e2scrub_reap.service has exited.
--
-- The process' exit code is 'exited' and its exit status is 2.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: e2scrub_reap.service: Failed with 
result 'exit-code'.

-- Subject: Unit failed
-- Defined-By: systemd
-- Support: https://www.debian.org/support
--
-- The unit e2scrub_reap.service has entered the 'failed' state with 
result 'exit-code'.
May 20 18:10:42 franklin systemd[1]: Failed to start Remove Stale Online 
ext4 Metadata Check Snapshots.

-- Subject: A start job for unit e2scrub_reap.service has failed
-- Defined-By: systemd
-- Support: https://www.debian.org/support
--
-- A start job for unit e2scrub_reap.service has finished with a failure.
--
-- The job identifier is 4141 and the job result is failed.
May 20 18:11:01 franklin cron[535]: (*system*e2scrub_all) RELOAD 
(/etc/cron.d/e2scrub_all)

May 20 18:16:16 franklin PackageKit[9433]: daemon quit
May 20 18:16:16 franklin systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Main process 
exited, code=killed, status=15/TERM

-- Subject: Unit process exited
-- Defined-By: systemd
-- Support: https://www.debian.org/support
--
-- An ExecStart= process belonging to unit packagekit.service has exited.
--
-- The process' exit code is 'killed' and its exit status is 15.
May 20 18:16:16 franklin systemd[1]: packagekit.service: Succeeded.
-- Subject: Unit succeeded
-- Defined-By: systemd
-- Support: https://www.debian.org/support
--
-- The unit packagekit.service has successfully entered the 'dead' state.

Is this stuff I should be worried about ?



--
Frank McCormick

kvm win8 guest audio is terrible.

[R. Ramesh]

I created a fresh install of debian stretch amd64. In that I created a 
qemu/kvm guess install of win8. It only accepted hda as a valid sound 
card. All others show us without drivers. So, I am limited to only HDA 
as -soundhw. Further HDA sounds so broken if I try to test with any 
sound file or youtube video. It is grainy/distorted and outright horrible.


Google searches mentions something about MSI and those approaches are 
simply not accepted by win8. So, I could not use them. I am wondering if 
there is something fundamentally wrong with windows guests or is there a 
setting that I missing.


Ramesh

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 21:29:44 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Full-upgraded yesterday to Sid, it seems not technically possible to downgrade
> now to Buster...

I never said this was what you could do. The suggestion was to revert
to systemd 241-3.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Rodolfo Medina]

Brian  writes:

> On Mon 20 May 2019 at 14:50:25 +0400, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
>
>> On 20/05/2019 13:42, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> > Brian  writes:
>> > 
>> >> On Mon 20 May 2019 at 06:15:57 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread
>> >>> `PDFtoMusic installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.
>> >>> Everything is ok now except that, when logging out X (graphical
>> >>> environment, window manager), the keyboard is totally not responding so
>> >>> that I have to power off using the external button on the computer case.
>> >>> Anyone experimenting the same problem?  Please help whoever can.
>> >>
>> >> Bug #929229 and Bug #929250.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Thanks, Brian.  So what should I do, waiting for them to be fixed and do a
>> > full-upgrade again in a few days/weeks/months...?
>> 
>> My understanding is that you play with the Sid distribution. This
>> distribution is unstable by nature, and its main purpose is to test
>> and check new packages.
>
> Indeed, and we should be grateful to Rodolfo Medina for his testing
> and reporting. It certainly made me think twice about upgrading to
> systemd 241-4.
>
>> You should rather consider to install Buster which by now can be can
>> considered quite stable.
>
> A good option I would say, if you want to get ahead of the game without
> too much hassle.


Full-upgraded yesterday to Sid, it seems not technically possible to downgrade
now to Buster...

Rodolfo

Re: hp inkjet printer

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 13:32:52 -0600, ghe wrote:

> Yet another suggestion for laser.
> 
> I read on the screen most of the time. I used to have an HP inkjet, and
> the ink kept drying out and clogging the jets, resulting in many wasted
> ink cartridges.
> 
> When it was cooking, it made much prettier pictures than the B HP
> laser printer that replaced it does. But for plain old code listings and
> letters and stuff, the laser is just fine.

The mail you are replying to has nothing to do with inkjet vs laser.
Would you like to reread it and respond appropriately?

-- 
Brian.

Re: hp inkjet printer

[ghe]

Yet another suggestion for laser.

I read on the screen most of the time. I used to have an HP inkjet, and
the ink kept drying out and clogging the jets, resulting in many wasted
ink cartridges.

When it was cooking, it made much prettier pictures than the B HP
laser printer that replaced it does. But for plain old code listings and
letters and stuff, the laser is just fine.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 14:15:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 20 May 2019 01:43:52 pm Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 20 May 2019 at 10:39:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday 20 May 2019 09:55:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:51:35AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June,
> > > > > what will be the apt command line sequences to do the actual
> > > > > update to buster?
> > > >
> > > > The release notes are still being written, but:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgr
> > > >adin g.en.html
> > >
> > > looks like it could be rough. Maybe I should get yet another drive
> > > and do a fresh install...  That way I'd have a fallback just by
> > > switching sata cables around.
> >
> > What is "rough" about
> >
> > 1. Alter sources.list
> > 2. apt update
> > 3. apt upgrde
> > 4. apt full-upgrade ?
> >
> > If it was any simpler, there would be complaints that upgrading from
> > one Debian version to another is too smooth. :)
> >
> > There is a school of thought which maintains that a reininstallation
> > is preferable to an upgrade when there is a new stable. You appear to
> > belong to this school, which is fine.
> 
> But there are probably 400+ additions to the stretch install 
> I did 2 weeks ago. For starters, trinity r14.0.6 has been installed.
> 
> What becomes of those?

That's *your* problem. trinity isn't part of Debian. As for the other 399+
additions; who knows where they came from.

Hvaing said that, I would expect Debian to cope with an idiosyncratic
installation to the best of its ability. But it cannot work wonders.
 
> Since it doesn't seem possible to sandbox jail N-M sufficiently 
> (and debian put dependencies back in it so it cannot be removed without 
> destroying the whole system) to keep it from tearing down a perfectly 
> working STATICly defined network and replaceing resolv.conf with only a 
> # comment, will the dist-upgrade just ignore the chattr +i's scattered 
> about or will it die as soon as its destroyed the network? Then my 
> fallback boot will be several generations old, with enough changes to 
> ext4 to make it dangerous to mount the new for repairs.
> 
> This is why I generally install on a new drive. Then I at least have a 
> working fallback install so I can email or browse for answers.

A new buster install is probably your best option.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Fwd: Patch

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Hi Michael, Anibal, and others,

Quoting Michael Barkdoll (2019-05-20 20:16:02)
> Anibal,
> 
> Ubuntu has patched this issue for me, but you haven't despite numerous 
> bug reports over a 10 year period on the issue and many emails to you.  
> Is everything ok?
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/libnfsidmap/+bug/1819197
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=924425

Anibal seems to have been active recently (in February): 
https://contributors.debian.org/contributor/ani...@debian.org/

I have not personally been in touch recently, and appreciate your 
concern.

If you suspect someone is MIA then here are some guidelines to follow 
(some useful for anyone wanting to help, even if some are accessible 
only to formal Debian developers): 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ch07.html#mia-qa

Alternatively, simply notify m...@qa.debian.org about your concern.


Kind regards,

 - Jonas

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Re: Command line mounting all partitions of pluggable device

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 20 mai 19, 09:31:05, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 02:20:19PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > for $dir in /media/removable/*
> > do
> > mount /dev/disk/by-label/$dir /media/removable/$dir
> > done
> 
> for dir in /media/removable/*
> do
> mount /dev/disk/by-label/"$dir" /media/removable/"$dir"
> done
> 
> Note the lack of $ in the first line.  That's a fatal bug.
 
It was late... early... Sunday :p

> The quotes around "$dir" in the third line should be used, but if you
> forget them, it'll *probably* still work in most cases, because your
> directory names probably don't contain spaces or glob characters.
> Until that day in the distant future when all of a sudden, they do,
> and everything falls down.

As I said "(with appropriate quoting, etc.)".

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: nother problem I can't access my crontab, no perms

[Étienne Mollier]

On 5/20/19 8:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> I would tend to believe that execution of "crontab" related
>> commands will benefit from the proper UIDs when operating.  On
>> my machine, at the same working directory, I have:
>>
>>  $ sudo ls -lR
>>  .:
>>  total 0
>>  drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 21 Feb 28 22:49 crontabs
>>
>>  ./crontabs:
>>  total 4
>>  -rw--- 1 user crontab 381 Feb 28 22:49 user
>>
>> It would seem that your restore attempt conserved UIDs, but
>> crontab's former UID has become systemd-timesyncd one.  Perhaps
>> a well placed `chgrp -R crontab crontabs/` will do?

Whoopsie, for the sake of precision, I mostly meant GID (Group
Identifier) instead of UID (User Identifier).

> Absolutely spot on,  Étienne Mollier, thank you very much.  Now cron has 
> about 2 weeks work to catch up on. :)

Glad to read that  :)
-- 
Étienne Mollier 

Fwd: Patch

[Michael Barkdoll]

Anibal,

Ubuntu has patched this issue for me, but you haven't despite numerous bug
reports over a 10 year period on the issue and many emails to you.  Is
everything ok?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/libnfsidmap/+bug/1819197
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=924425

-- Forwarded message -
From: Michael Barkdoll 
Date: Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:11 PM
Subject: Patch
To: <924...@bugs.debian.org>


Ubuntu patched this, can Debian as well?  Package maintainer has been
unresponsive.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/libnfsidmap/+bug/1819197

Michael Barkdoll

Re: nother problem I can't access my crontab, no perms

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 May 2019 02:21:20 pm Étienne Mollier wrote:

> Good Day Gene,
>
> On coyote, /var/spool/cron contained:
> > drwx-wx--T  2 root   systemd-timesync 4096 Mar 31 09:15 crontabs
>
>  ^^^
> You can't go through this "crontab" directory if you are not
> root, or a member of the group systemd-timesync.  That includes
> that you can't read any file below, even if it is attributed to
> you.
>
> I would tend to believe that execution of "crontab" related
> commands will benefit from the proper UIDs when operating.  On
> my machine, at the same working directory, I have:
>
>   $ sudo ls -lR
>   .:
>   total 0
>   drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 21 Feb 28 22:49 crontabs
>
>   ./crontabs:
>   total 4
>   -rw--- 1 user crontab 381 Feb 28 22:49 user
>
> It would seem that your restore attempt conserved UIDs, but
> crontab's former UID has become systemd-timesyncd one.  Perhaps
> a well placed `chgrp -R crontab crontabs/` will do?
>
> Kind Regards,

Absolutely spot on,  Étienne Mollier, thank you very much.  Now cron has 
about 2 weeks work to catch up on. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: hp inkjet printer

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 17:40:18 +0200, didier gaumet wrote:

> there is a useful page on the HP website about HPLIP and all supported
> HP printers:
>  
> https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index

This page is very useful for a legacy printer, which would require
HPLIP. A modern printer (which one presumes steef intends to purchase),
does not need HPLIP. Unfortunately, users still reach for a driver for
a recent HP printer - even though it is completely unnecessary. It is
will probably be ages before users catch on and clutching a blanket for
setting up printing disappears.

-- 
Brian.
> 

Re: nother problem I can't access my crontab, no perms

[Étienne Mollier]

Good Day Gene,

On coyote, /var/spool/cron contained:
> drwx-wx--T  2 root   systemd-timesync 4096 Mar 31 09:15 crontabs
 ^^^
You can't go through this "crontab" directory if you are not
root, or a member of the group systemd-timesync.  That includes
that you can't read any file below, even if it is attributed to
you.

I would tend to believe that execution of "crontab" related
commands will benefit from the proper UIDs when operating.  On
my machine, at the same working directory, I have:

$ sudo ls -lR
.:
total 0
drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 21 Feb 28 22:49 crontabs

./crontabs:
total 4
-rw--- 1 user crontab 381 Feb 28 22:49 user

It would seem that your restore attempt conserved UIDs, but
crontab's former UID has become systemd-timesyncd one.  Perhaps
a well placed `chgrp -R crontab crontabs/` will do?

Kind Regards,
-- 
Étienne Mollier 

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 May 2019 01:43:52 pm Brian wrote:

> On Mon 20 May 2019 at 10:39:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 20 May 2019 09:55:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:51:35AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June,
> > > > what will be the apt command line sequences to do the actual
> > > > update to buster?
> > >
> > > The release notes are still being written, but:
> > >
> > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgr
> > >adin g.en.html
> >
> > looks like it could be rough. Maybe I should get yet another drive
> > and do a fresh install...  That way I'd have a fallback just by
> > switching sata cables around.
>
> What is "rough" about
>
> 1. Alter sources.list
> 2. apt update
> 3. apt upgrde
> 4. apt full-upgrade ?
>
> If it was any simpler, there would be complaints that upgrading from
> one Debian version to another is too smooth. :)
>
> There is a school of thought which maintains that a reininstallation
> is preferable to an upgrade when there is a new stable. You appear to
> belong to this school, which is fine.

But there are probably 400+ additions to the stretch install 
I did 2 weeks ago. For starters, trinity r14.0.6 has been installed.

What becomes of those?

Since it doesn't seem possible to sandbox jail N-M sufficiently 
(and debian put dependencies back in it so it cannot be removed without 
destroying the whole system) to keep it from tearing down a perfectly 
working STATICly defined network and replaceing resolv.conf with only a 
# comment, will the dist-upgrade just ignore the chattr +i's scattered 
about or will it die as soon as its destroyed the network? Then my 
fallback boot will be several generations old, with enough changes to 
ext4 to make it dangerous to mount the new for repairs.

This is why I generally install on a new drive. Then I at least have a 
working fallback install so I can email or browse for answers.

Thanks Brian.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: VPN client for CheckPoint VPN

[Dan Ritter]

Jim Popovitch wrote: 
> On Mon, 2019-05-20 at 16:45 +0200, Alexandre GRIVEAUX wrote:
> > Le 2019-05-20 16:16, Jim Popovitch a écrit :
> > > Is there a VPN endpoint client that works with "CheckPoint EndPoint
> > > Security VPN".  I have been assigned an IP address of the VPN server, a
> > > username, and a password.  Vpnc seems to think I need a Group name and
> > > password, and won't accept leaving them blank. Halp!
> > > 
> > > tia,
> > > 
> > > -Jim P.
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Maybe the openvpn client ?
> > Some (almost all, i think) rebadge openvpn with theirs name.
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Do you have reason to believe that CheckPoint EndPoint Security VPN is
> really rebadged OpenVPN?

That's quite unlikely.

However, most Checkpoint system *used* to support IPsec. It's up
to the network admin in charge.

What I hear from StackExchange is that 

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/450229/getting-checkpoint-vpn-ssl-network-extender-working-in-the-command-line

Checkpoint stopped supporting Linux, but their last available
client (referenced on that page) may still work.

-dsr-

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 10:39:39 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 20 May 2019 09:55:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:51:35AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June, what
> > > will be the apt command line sequences to do the actual update to
> > > buster?
> >
> > The release notes are still being written, but:
> >
> > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgradin
> >g.en.html
> 
> looks like it could be rough. Maybe I should get yet another drive and do 
> a fresh install...  That way I'd have a fallback just by switching sata 
> cables around.

What is "rough" about

1. Alter sources.list
2. apt update
3. apt upgrde
4. apt full-upgrade ?

If it was any simpler, there would be complaints that upgrading from
one Debian version to another is too smooth. :)

There is a school of thought which maintains that a reininstallation
is preferable to an upgrade when there is a new stable. You appear to
belong to this school, which is fine.

-- 
Brian.

Re: nother problem I can't access my crontab, no perms

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 May 2019 11:58:45 am Gene Heskett wrote:

> Gut an ls -lR of /var/spool shows they are an exact copy of the wheezy
> files. With mine own by me.
>
> What did I screw up now. I had noticed my kmail spam folder was
> filling up because my cron scripts aren't running as scheduled. 
> Otherwise I haven't touched it since installing stretch.
>
> Any clues? Making me a member of the group shown made no diff, and it
> worked a treat under wheezy.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
An ls -laR of /var/spool/cron:
ene@coyote:/var/spool/cron$ sudo  ls -laR
.:
total 20
drwxr-xr-x  5 root   root 4096 Feb  3  2015 .
drwxr-xr-x 10 root   root 4096 May 10 02:27 ..
drwxrwx--T  2 daemon daemon   4096 Feb  3  2015 atjobs
drwxrwx--T  2 daemon daemon   4096 Oct  3  2014 atspool
drwx-wx--T  2 root   systemd-timesync 4096 Mar 31 09:15 crontabs

./atjobs:
total 12
drwxrwx--T 2 daemon daemon 4096 Feb  3  2015 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 root   root   4096 Feb  3  2015 ..
-rw--- 1 daemon daemon2 Nov  5  2014 .SEQ

./atspool:
total 8
drwxrwx--T 2 daemon daemon 4096 Oct  3  2014 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 root   root   4096 Feb  3  2015 ..

./crontabs:
total 24
drwx-wx--T 2 root systemd-timesync 4096 Mar 31 09:15 .
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Feb  3  2015 ..
-rw--- 1 amanda   systemd-timesync  281 Nov 16  2018 amanda
-rw--- 1 gene systemd-timesync 1430 Aug  2  2018 gene
-rw--- 1 root systemd-timesync  662 Mar 31 09:15 root
-rw--- 1 www-data systemd-timesync 1117 Jul 22  2017 www-data

Looks good to me , but strace says I can't open the file "gene"


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: la souris en TTY

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Basile Starynkevitch" 
> À: "Bernard Schoenacker" , "ML Debian User 
> French" 
> Envoyé: Lundi 20 Mai 2019 18:07:50
> Objet: Re: la souris en TTY
> 
> Je crois que c'est gpm
> 

bonjour,

merci pour la réponse qui me rafraîchi
la mémoire ...

merci beaucoup

slt
bernard

Re: hp inkjet printer

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting steef (2019-05-20 09:18:06)
> After years my rather cumbersome canon mp280 printer definitely gave 
> up. Now i am looking for a more convenient simple HP inkjetprinter.
> Somebody some suggestions?

I don't have concrete suggestions for wet-ink printers¹ and availability 
and best offers also tend to be tied to geographical regions.

If buying a _new_ printer I can generally recommend to look at ones 
certified "IPP Everywhere" http://www.pwg.org/dynamo/eveprinters.php or 
"AirPrint" https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201311

For refurbished and others "non-certified" it is far more 
trial-and-error.


 - Jonas

¹ I use only laser printers myself, and am currently happy with two 
refurbished Brother CMYK laser printers which are relatively cheap in 
toner - but they lack proper color calibration as that involves a 
non-free driver offered only for i386 and my CUPS server runs armhf.

-- 
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Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

[Richard Owlett]

On 05/19/2019 12:31 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

[snip]

Salsa has a significant part (if not most) of the source code for Debian
packages. It could be useful to learn at least the 'git clone' command.
The repository URL can be easily inferred from 'blob' or 'raw' links you
might stumble in the Debian world. E.g. in this case it would be

 git clone https://salsa.debian.org/amp-guest/pine64.git
  

Now to studying your code. Thanks again.


Bug reports welcome :)


Just read https://git-scm.com/about . Although websites using it are 
unfriendly to the uninitiated, git may solve multiple local problems 
[will have to read more on git and version control in general].


I believe your code will be a checklist for my project. Your code is 
aimed at a different and broader audience than mine. However if an 
analog of anything in your code is not in what I'll create - I should 
have a good reason why.

Re: la souris en TTY

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 5/20/19 6:03 PM, Bernard Schoenacker wrote:

bonjour,

j'ai un trou de mémoire sur le nom
d'un paquet deb pouvant activer la
souris en TTY ?  


Je crois que c'est gpm



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opinions are mine only - les opinions sont seulement miennes
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Re: hp inkjet printer

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Quoting didier gaumet (2019-05-20 17:40:18)
> there is a useful page on the HP website about HPLIP and all supported
> HP printers:
>  
> https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index

...but beware of printers requiring non-free drivers, also some from HP: 
https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#Non-free_Printer_Drivers_and_Firmware


 - Jonas

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la souris en TTY

[Bernard Schoenacker]

bonjour,

j'ai un trou de mémoire sur le nom
d'un paquet deb pouvant activer la
souris en TTY ?  

en FreeBSD c'est wsmoused

mais comme j'ai la tête dans la cuisine
en ce moment, je ne suis plus foutu de
le retrouver ...

merci pour votre aide qui servira à me rafraîchir
la mémoire 

slt
bernard

nother problem I can't access my crontab, no perms

[Gene Heskett]

Gut an ls -lR of /var/spool shows they are an exact copy of the wheezy 
files. With mine own by me.

What did I screw up now. I had noticed my kmail spam folder was filling 
up because my cron scripts aren't running as scheduled.  Otherwise I 
haven't touched it since installing stretch.

Any clues? Making me a member of the group shown made no diff, and it 
worked a treat under wheezy.
 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: hp inkjet printer

[didier gaumet]

there is a useful page on the HP website about HPLIP and all supported
HP printers:
 https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index

Re: VPN client for CheckPoint VPN

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, 2019-05-20 at 16:45 +0200, Alexandre GRIVEAUX wrote:
> Le 2019-05-20 16:16, Jim Popovitch a écrit :
> > Is there a VPN endpoint client that works with "CheckPoint EndPoint
> > Security VPN".  I have been assigned an IP address of the VPN server, a
> > username, and a password.  Vpnc seems to think I need a Group name and
> > password, and won't accept leaving them blank. Halp!
> > 
> > tia,
> > 
> > -Jim P.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Maybe the openvpn client ?
> Some (almost all, i think) rebadge openvpn with theirs name.

Hello!

Do you have reason to believe that CheckPoint EndPoint Security VPN is
really rebadged OpenVPN?

Further, I am subscribed to this list, so please don't TO/CC me AND this
list.

Thanks!

-Jim P.

Re: VPN client for CheckPoint VPN

[Alexandre GRIVEAUX]

Le 2019-05-20 16:16, Jim Popovitch a écrit :

Is there a VPN endpoint client that works with "CheckPoint EndPoint
Security VPN".  I have been assigned an IP address of the VPN server, a
username, and a password.  Vpnc seems to think I need a Group name and
password, and won't accept leaving them blank. Halp!

tia,

-Jim P.

Hello,

Maybe the openvpn client ?
Some (almost all, i think) rebadge openvpn with theirs name.

Regards.

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 May 2019 09:55:43 am Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:51:35AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June, what
> > will be the apt command line sequences to do the actual update to
> > buster?
>
> The release notes are still being written, but:
>
> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgradin
>g.en.html

Thanks.

looks like it could be rough. Maybe I should get yet another drive and do 
a fresh install...  That way I'd have a fallback just by switching sata 
cables around.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[Rodolfo Medina]

Greg Wooledge  writes:

> On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 12:02:52PM +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> Thanks, sorry, maybe I badly explained myself...  I did as you suggest and
>> managed to install the program...  But my problem after the installation is
>> now
>> running the program with
>> 
>> $ ./PDFtoMusic\ Pro 
>> 
>> which produces:
>> 
>> -bash: ./PDFtoMusic Pro: No such file or directory
>
> Because it's not in your current directory, is it.  It's in /usr/bin.
>
>> although I give that command in the same directory of the file.
>
> So you were IN /usr/bin at the time?  Why is your shell prompt hidden?
> Did you really strip it down to PS1='\$ ' with no other information in 
> it?
>
>> Same result with
>> 
>>  $ /usr/bin/PDFtoMusic\ Pro
>
> ...
>
> Start from the beginning.
>
> What version of Debian are you running?  On what architecture?
>
> How did you install this application?  Where does it come from?  What
> steps did you perform?
>
> What does "ls -ld /usr/bin/PDFto*" say?
>
> What does "file /usr/bin/PDFto*" say?
>
> If it's some kind of interpreted script (shell or otherwise), what does
> the first line of the script say?  It should begin with #! and it should
> most definitely absolutely positively NOT end with a carriage return
> character.  Try something like "head -n1 /usr/bin/PDFto* | cat -e".  If
> that ends with ^M$ then you've found a problem.
>
> If it's a compiled program, what does "ldd /usr/bin/PDFto*" say?


Thanks.  It's all right now (as I wrote) after full-upgrading to Sid...  I did
say where the application (a commercial one) comes from:

  http://www.myriad-online.com

But its capabilities are of great interest...

Rodolfo

VPN client for CheckPoint VPN

[Jim Popovitch]

Is there a VPN endpoint client that works with "CheckPoint EndPoint
Security VPN".  I have been assigned an IP address of the VPN server, a
username, and a password.  Vpnc seems to think I need a Group name and
password, and won't accept leaving them blank. Halp!

tia,

-Jim P.

Re: recent dovecot trouble

[ghe]

On 5/20/19 5:15 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:

> What'd the problem end up being? Password database went sideways?

I'm not sure. Replacing the directory of config files with the dist
config dir (and some mild futzing) fixed it.

I'm guessing, like you suggest, that something or other in a secret
password something or other got bent somehow. I've had more pleasant
weekends.

-- 
Glenn English



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Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 09:51:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 20 May 2019 09:36:54 am Brian wrote:
> [...]
> > > You should rather consider to install Buster which by now can be can
> > > considered quite stable.
> >
> > A good option I would say, if you want to get ahead of the game
> > without too much hassle.
> 
> Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June, what will 
> be the apt command line sequences to do the actual update to buster?

https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/

-- 
Brian.

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 09:51:35AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June, what will 
> be the apt command line sequences to do the actual update to buster?

The release notes are still being written, but:

https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 May 2019 09:36:54 am Brian wrote:
[...]
> > You should rather consider to install Buster which by now can be can
> > considered quite stable.
>
> A good option I would say, if you want to get ahead of the game
> without too much hassle.

Speaking of buster, which should be going public around 1 June, what will 
be the apt command line sequences to do the actual update to buster?

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 14:50:25 +0400, Jerome BENOIT wrote:

> On 20/05/2019 13:42, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> > Brian  writes:
> > 
> >> On Mon 20 May 2019 at 06:15:57 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >>
> >>> In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread
> >>> `PDFtoMusic installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.
> >>> Everything is ok now except that, when logging out X (graphical 
> >>> environment,
> >>> window manager), the keyboard is totally not responding so that I have to
> >>> power off using the external button on the computer case.  Anyone
> >>> experimenting the same problem?  Please help whoever can.
> >>
> >> Bug #929229 and Bug #929250.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, Brian.  So what should I do, waiting for them to be fixed and do a
> > full-upgrade again in a few days/weeks/months...?
> 
> My understanding is that you play with the Sid distribution. This
> distribution is unstable by nature, and its main purpose is to test
> and check new packages.

Indeed, and we should be grateful to Rodolfo Medina for his testing
and reporting. It certainly made me think twice about upgrading to
systemd 241-4.

> You should rather consider to install Buster which by now can be can
> considered quite stable.

A good option I would say, if you want to get ahead of the game without
too much hassle.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 20 May 2019 08:51:42 am Greg Wooledge wrote:

> > On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:15:32 am Felix Miata wrote:
> > > >> Does /var/log/journal/ exist?
> > > >> If it does, try:
> > > >>
> > > >>journalctl | grep hid-common
>
> On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:35:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Sure they do, journalctl actually finds 6 instances of grep with
> > slightly different syntax, I assume to catch all the corner cases.
> >
> > May 17 23:08:14 coyote sudo[5114]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ;
> > PWD=/home/gene ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep
> > hid-common /var/log/syslog
>
> Gene, you're missing the forest for the trees.  The goal was to find
> any meaningful logged messages with hid-common in them, in order to
> diagnose your issues with keyboard and mouse.
>
> But you manually ran some commands with hid-common in them using sudo,
> and so those were logged, and now you're picking up those results in
> the log. Those are all irrelevant.  They're just photos of you looking
> for clues, not actual clues.
>
> In any case, if you did not create a /var/log/journal directory, there
> is no persistent journal.  Which means it doesn't save the journal
> between reboots (it only lives in RAM).  That's the default behavior,
> for reasons I cannot guess.  If you want to change it, there are
> instructions in systemd-journald(8).
>
> In order for Felix's commands to be useful, you would have to create
> the persistent journal location, boot into the kernel that's having
> the problems, shut down cleanly enough that the journal gets saved to
> disk, then reboot into the working kernel so you can search the
> persistent journal from the broken boot.

What I haven't reported was that I did find in a bootup section of the 
log, and odd looking reference to hpfax from the trinity install, which 
I reported to the trinity list.  And the reply there was to rename it, 
and if that solved the problem, then nuke it.  I renamed it to hpfox 
last Wednesday, and have had no further trouble with the whole usb tree 
dying since. This is Monday already.

its  part of hplip, but its like N-M, its been relinked and can't be 
removed without taking the whole desktop with it.

So in order to run a dhcpd free host file system which is what I have 
done here for much of 30 years going clear back into my Amiga days, 
using static defined addresses for all the local net, the only thing you 
can do to stop N-M from tearing down a working network is to setup 
the /e.n/i.d/whatever name with the correct static data, and immediately 
chattr +i it so N-M can't tear it down, ditto for the link called 
resolv.conf. Nuke it, touch a real file by that name then edit the 
nameserver stuff into it, and chattr +i it, again so N-M can't tear it 
down. When N-M has been made to leave a net setup labeled "static" alone 
I'll certainly celebrate. But that hasn't happened in the armbian world 
yet.

So unless you make a living sending faxes, rename hpfax to something 
else, others have had the same problems with it. IOW.its a knowm 
troublemaker. So now it has been reported. FWIW, my cpu is running 10C 
cooler too.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Command line mounting all partitions of pluggable device

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 02:20:19PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> for $dir in /media/removable/*
> do
> mount /dev/disk/by-label/$dir /media/removable/$dir
> done

for dir in /media/removable/*
do
mount /dev/disk/by-label/"$dir" /media/removable/"$dir"
done

Note the lack of $ in the first line.  That's a fatal bug.

The quotes around "$dir" in the third line should be used, but if you
forget them, it'll *probably* still work in most cases, because your
directory names probably don't contain spaces or glob characters.
Until that day in the distant future when all of a sudden, they do,
and everything falls down.

Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 12:02:52PM +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Thanks, sorry, maybe I badly explained myself...  I did as you suggest and
> managed to install the program...  But my problem after the installation is 
> now
> running the program with
> 
> $ ./PDFtoMusic\ Pro 
> 
> which produces:
> 
> -bash: ./PDFtoMusic Pro: No such file or directory

Because it's not in your current directory, is it.  It's in /usr/bin.

> although I give that command in the same directory of the file.

So you were IN /usr/bin at the time?  Why is your shell prompt hidden?
Did you really strip it down to PS1='\$ ' with no other information in 
it?

> Same result with
> 
>  $ /usr/bin/PDFtoMusic\ Pro

...

Start from the beginning.

What version of Debian are you running?  On what architecture?

How did you install this application?  Where does it come from?  What
steps did you perform?

What does "ls -ld /usr/bin/PDFto*" say?

What does "file /usr/bin/PDFto*" say?

If it's some kind of interpreted script (shell or otherwise), what does
the first line of the script say?  It should begin with #! and it should
most definitely absolutely positively NOT end with a carriage return
character.  Try something like "head -n1 /usr/bin/PDFto* | cat -e".  If
that ends with ^M$ then you've found a problem.

If it's a compiled program, what does "ldd /usr/bin/PDFto*" say?

Re: /var trop gros

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 19/05/19 à 00:26, JUPIN Alain  a écrit :
> Bonsoir,
> 
> Sur une config Debian + Postfix + Dovecot (en réalité iinstance  mail
> d'uns serveur ISPConfig 3), j'ai le problème du /var trop "gros" et qui
> me rempli presque a rabord la partition /
> 
> Donc j'ai naivement tenté (comme je l'ai fais sur d'autres install
> Debian) : # mv /var/ /home/
> # ln -s /home/var/ /var
> # reboot
> 
> Eh bien au reboot, Dovecot et Mysql refuse de démarrer

Tu as réglé le pb en montant ton ancienne partition /home avec le contenu
de /var sur /var, mais pour une autre fois ou pour qqun d'autre qui
tomberait sur ce fil, il me semble que mysql|mariadb n'aime pas les liens
symboliques (ou alors c'est apparmor, me rappelle plus), il suffit de lui
indiquer le vrai dossier source (dans ton cas c'était /home/lib/mysql/ à la
place de /var/lib/mysql) dans la configuration mariadb (variable datadir, +
éventuellement vérifier dans /etc/apparmor.d/ que c'est cohérent).

-- 
Daniel

Le philosophe cherche des solutions aux problèmes et
ne trouve que des problèmes sans solutions. 
Sim

Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[David Wright]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 10:49:23 (+), Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Siard  writes:
> > Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >> After upgrading to Sid, during PDFtoMusic re-installation, it asked me to
> >> install the following packages:
> >> 
> >> libasound2
> >> libc6
> >> libfontconfig1
> >> libx11-6
> >> libxrender1
> >
> > All of these packages were already installed here.
> 
> In my system, you mean?

No, but …

> How do you know?

… it's inconceivable that you're running a system without, say, libc6.
Its dependencies are attached (in a non-DE system).

> And then why did it want to install them?

Versions? Architectures? Mistake?

Cheers,
David.
libc6 ['acl', 'akqml', 'alsa-tools-gui', 'alsa-utils', 'alsamixergui', 
'alsaplayer-alsa', 'alsaplayer-common', 'alsaplayer-gtk', 'an', 'anacron', 
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Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

[Greg Wooledge]

> On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:15:32 am Felix Miata wrote:
> > >> Does /var/log/journal/ exist?
> > >> If it does, try:
> > >>
> > >>  journalctl | grep hid-common


On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:35:29AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Sure they do, journalctl actually finds 6 instances of grep with slightly 
> different syntax, I assume to catch all the corner cases.

> May 17 23:08:14 coyote sudo[5114]: gene : TTY=pts/6 ; 
> PWD=/home/gene ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/grep 
> hid-common /var/log/syslog

Gene, you're missing the forest for the trees.  The goal was to find
any meaningful logged messages with hid-common in them, in order to
diagnose your issues with keyboard and mouse.

But you manually ran some commands with hid-common in them using sudo, and
so those were logged, and now you're picking up those results in the log.
Those are all irrelevant.  They're just photos of you looking for clues,
not actual clues.

In any case, if you did not create a /var/log/journal directory, there is
no persistent journal.  Which means it doesn't save the journal between
reboots (it only lives in RAM).  That's the default behavior, for reasons
I cannot guess.  If you want to change it, there are instructions in
systemd-journald(8).

In order for Felix's commands to be useful, you would have to create
the persistent journal location, boot into the kernel that's having the
problems, shut down cleanly enough that the journal gets saved to disk,
then reboot into the working kernel so you can search the persistent
journal from the broken boot.

Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[Curt]

On 2019-05-20, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
> Siard  writes:
>
>> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>>> After upgrading to Sid, during PDFtoMusic re-installation, it asked me to
>>> install the following packages:
>>> 
>>> libasound2
>>> libc6
>>> libfontconfig1
>>> libx11-6
>>> libxrender1
>>
>> All of these packages were already installed here.
>
>
> In my system, you mean?  How do you know?  And then why did it want to install
> them?

No, here means there, because he's there, not here. 

You're there for everyone but yourself, for whom you're here (wherever
that is).

HTH.

> Rodolfo
>
>

Re: recent dovecot trouble

[Dan Purgert]

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> And dovecot has been declared a mixed blessing. There are more lines of
> code in its eleventy million config files that there are in gcc. And SQL
> databases? For an IMAP server?

Makes it easy to setup "virtual email" (i.e. one physical machine / VM
hosting dozens of domains).

What'd the problem end up being? Password database went sideways?


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Re: hp inkjet printer

[Dan Purgert]

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steef wrote:
> Hii folks,
>
> After years my rather cumbersome canon mp280 printer definitely gave
> up. Now i am looking for a more convenient simple HP inkjetprinter. 
> Somebody some suggestions?

If B is fine, either an HP or Brother laser isn't considerably more
expensive (and you'll save money in the long run, since you don't have
to deal with "oh no, the ink has dried up again...").

Color lasers are a bit on the expensive side though (2-3x an inkjet,
IIRC), and people always say they're "not as crisp" as inkjets for
photos; if that's something you care about.


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Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Jerome BENOIT]

On 20/05/2019 13:42, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> Brian  writes:
> 
>> On Mon 20 May 2019 at 06:15:57 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>>
>>> In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread
>>> `PDFtoMusic installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.
>>> Everything is ok now except that, when logging out X (graphical environment,
>>> window manager), the keyboard is totally not responding so that I have to
>>> power off using the external button on the computer case.  Anyone
>>> experimenting the same problem?  Please help whoever can.
>>
>> Bug #929229 and Bug #929250.
> 
> 
> Thanks, Brian.  So what should I do, waiting for them to be fixed and do a
> full-upgrade again in a few days/weeks/months...?

My understanding is that you play with the Sid distribution. This distribution 
is unstable by nature,
and its main purpose is to test and check new packages.
You should rather consider to install Buster which by now can be can considered 
quite stable.

hth,
Jerome


> 
> Rodolfo
> 




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Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[Rodolfo Medina]

Siard  writes:

> Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> After upgrading to Sid, during PDFtoMusic re-installation, it asked me to
>> install the following packages:
>> 
>> libasound2
>> libc6
>> libfontconfig1
>> libx11-6
>> libxrender1
>
> All of these packages were already installed here.


In my system, you mean?  How do you know?  And then why did it want to install
them?

Rodolfo

Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[Siard]

Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> After upgrading to Sid, during PDFtoMusic re-installation, it asked me to
> install the following packages:
> 
> libasound2
> libc6
> libfontconfig1
> libx11-6
> libxrender1

All of these packages were already installed here.

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 09:42:33 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> Brian  writes:
> 
> > On Mon 20 May 2019 at 06:15:57 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >
> >> In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread
> >> `PDFtoMusic installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.
> >> Everything is ok now except that, when logging out X (graphical 
> >> environment,
> >> window manager), the keyboard is totally not responding so that I have to
> >> power off using the external button on the computer case.  Anyone
> >> experimenting the same problem?  Please help whoever can.
> >
> > Bug #929229 and Bug #929250.
> 
> Thanks, Brian.  So what should I do, waiting for them to be fixed and do a
> full-upgrade again in a few days/weeks/months...?

Revert to 241-3, which is in testing? See advice in #929229.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Rodolfo Medina]

Brian  writes:

> On Mon 20 May 2019 at 06:15:57 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>
>> In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread
>> `PDFtoMusic installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.
>> Everything is ok now except that, when logging out X (graphical environment,
>> window manager), the keyboard is totally not responding so that I have to
>> power off using the external button on the computer case.  Anyone
>> experimenting the same problem?  Please help whoever can.
>
> Bug #929229 and Bug #929250.


Thanks, Brian.  So what should I do, waiting for them to be fixed and do a
full-upgrade again in a few days/weeks/months...?

Rodolfo

Re: Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Brian]

On Mon 20 May 2019 at 06:15:57 +, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

> In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread 
> `PDFtoMusic
> installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.  Everything is ok now
> except that, when logging out X (graphical environment, window manager), the
> keyboard is totally not responding so that I have to power off using the
> external button on the computer case.  Anyone experimenting the same problem?
> Please help whoever can.

Bug #929229 and Bug #929250.

-- 
Brian.

Fwd: hp inkjet printer

[steef]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: hp inkjet printer
Resent-Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 07:37:54 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 09:18:06 +0200
From: steef 
Reply-To: debian.li...@home.nl
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Hii folks,

After years my rather cumbersome canon mp280 printer definitely gave up. Now i am looking for a more convenient simple HP inkjetprinter on 
debian stretch. Somebody some suggestions?


Thank you,

Steef

Groningen, Holland

Re: hp inkjet printer

[steef]

thanks paul


On 20-05-19 09:47, Paul Sutton wrote:






I am using a HP envy 5530 inkjet,  works really well.  It does use the
hp301 black / colour cartridges,  there are newer models.  HP support
for linux is very good.  Ink isn't cheap but ink isn't cheap anyway.

However if you remove 1 of the 2 cartridges e.g colour it will switch to
just using a single cartridge which is really handy if you run out, you
can keep printing (great for that emergency print) until new ink arrives.

Paul

Re: hp inkjet printer

[Paul Sutton]

On 20/05/2019 08:18, steef wrote:
> Hii folks,
> 
> After years my rather cumbersome canon mp280 printer definitely gave up.
> Now i am looking for a more convenient simple HP inkjetprinter. Somebody
> some suggestions?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Steef
> 
> Groningen, Holland
> 

I am using a HP envy 5530 inkjet,  works really well.  It does use the
hp301 black / colour cartridges,  there are newer models.  HP support
for linux is very good.  Ink isn't cheap but ink isn't cheap anyway.

However if you remove 1 of the 2 cartridges e.g colour it will switch to
just using a single cartridge which is really handy if you run out, you
can keep printing (great for that emergency print) until new ink arrives.

Paul



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hp inkjet printer

[steef]

Hii folks,

After years my rather cumbersome canon mp280 printer definitely gave up. Now i am looking for a more convenient simple HP inkjetprinter. 
Somebody some suggestions?


Thank you,

Steef

Groningen, Holland

Re: PDFtoMusic installation

[Rodolfo Medina]

Rodolfo Medina  writes:

> Siard  writes:
>
>> Rodolfo Medina:
>>> Brian:
>>> > ./PDFtoMusic\ Pro gives me "Segmentation fault".
>>> 
>>> To me instead it says:
>>> 
>>>  -bash: ./PDFtoMusic Pro: No such file or directory
>>
>> I can only say that it works fine here in Buster.
>>>From ~ or any other directory I run this command:
>>
>> $ PDFtoMusic\ Pro
>>
>> These are all its files:
>>
>> ~/.config/ACAMPREF/*
>> ~/Myriad Documents/PDFtoMusic/*
>> /usr/bin/PDFtoMusic Pro
>> /usr/share/PDFtoMusic Pro/*
>> /usr/share/applications/pdftomusicpro.desktop
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myriad-online/*
>
>
> Ehi...  I full-upgraded to Sid and...  It works now!  Launched simply with
>
>  $ PDFtoMusic\ Pro


After upgrading to Sid, during PDFtoMusic re-installation, it asked me to
install the following packages:

libasound2
libc6
libfontconfig1
libx11-6
libxrender1




Rodolfo

Keyboard not responding after exiting X

[Rodolfo Medina]

Hi all.

In order to have PDFtoMusic properly installed and work (see thread `PDFtoMusic
installation') I had to do a full-upgrade to unstable.  Everything is ok now
except that, when logging out X (graphical environment, window manager), the
keyboard is totally not responding so that I have to power off using the
external button on the computer case.  Anyone experimenting the same problem?
Please help whoever can.

Thanks,

Rodolfo