Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:59:08 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 20:23:35, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM,

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:47:11, Celejar wrote: They do - but the first quote in your message was Yaro's. I guess you decided to respond to a quote of mine as cited in his email, instead of responding directly to my email. In such a case, I generally delete the first name in the chain, but I

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-07 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:45:33 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Ma, 07 aug 12, 09:47:11, Celejar wrote: They do - but the first quote in your message was Yaro's. I guess you decided to respond to a quote of mine as cited in his email, instead of responding directly

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-02 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 01 aug 12, 20:23:35, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-01 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-08-01 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:45:27 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Mi, 01 aug 12, 00:59:29, Yaro Kasear wrote: On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:39:12 +0200 gaffa deb...@folkemagt.dk wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:45:34 -0400 Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: ... Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell copies of one's

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:29:05 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: ... As for Celejar's point about selling licenses - he's wants to make money only from direct sales. That's his problem. In every business you have to look for ways to make money. Direct sales is just one method and its

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:16:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 20 iul 12, 04:29:05, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/07/12 03:30 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-31 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 07/31/2012 01:42 PM, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:30:50 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-21 Thread Lisi
On Thursday 19 July 2012 04:45:34 Celejar wrote: Debian users need to understand that attempts to encumber knowledge for profit are inherently wrong. I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS, for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop,

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell copies of one's software if it's freely copyable. The examples you give are all of models other than the

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Gary Dale
On 20/07/12 03:30 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell copies of one's software if it's freely copyable. The examples you

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 20 iul 12, 04:29:05, Gary Dale wrote: On 20/07/12 03:30 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 22:50:25, Celejar wrote: Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell copies of one's

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-20 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:26:37 +1200 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:20:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and what it costs to develop, and why it's not free. Please don't confuse free (beer) with free(dom). Also, I don't have

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice. +1 and plus, nobody should have compunction when illegal using some software. I've got the privilege not to

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 19/07/12 02:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice. +1 and plus, nobody should have compunction when illegal using some

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:38 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: Do two wrongs make a right? No, I'm just kidding. I've got computer files dating back to 1990 on my server. A lot of it is in proprietary formats that there haven't been programs for in over a decade. These are my files that I am

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread gaffa
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:45:34 -0400 Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: ... Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of Linux in general) is the commitment to freedom. IP laws and the degree to

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:17:49 -0400 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 07/18/2012 11:45 PM, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400 Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote: ... Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of Linux in general) is the

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and what it costs to develop, and

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:28:46 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice. +1 and plus, nobody

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 19/07/12 03:20 PM, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is,

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:04:10 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: On 19/07/12 03:20 PM, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCUandreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:20:03PM -0400, Celejar wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote: Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly one of them--needs to realize what

[OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi folks, While fascinating, this discussion has wandered seriously Off Topic. It's no longer appropriate for debian-user, I think. I'm not a list-guru. Is there a debian list where it would be on-topic? If so, maybe we should take it there. Enjoy! Rick On Jul 18, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Gary

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/12 05:32 PM, Rick Thomas wrote: Hi folks, While fascinating, this discussion has wandered seriously Off Topic. It's no longer appropriate for debian-user, I think. I'm not a list-guru. Is there a debian list where it would be on-topic? If so, maybe we should take it there. Enjoy!

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400 Gary Dale garyd...@rogers.com wrote: ... Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of Linux in general) is the commitment to freedom. IP laws and the degree to which hardware vendors support freedom is relevant to purchasing decisions.

Re: [OT] Intelectual Property Law [WAS: Re: what graphic card to buy?]

2012-07-18 Thread Doug
On 07/18/2012 11:45 PM, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400 Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote: ... Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of Linux in general) is the commitment to freedom. IP laws and the degree to which hardware vendors support freedom