Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-16 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 10:17:09PM +0100, Thorsten Haude said Hi, * Rob Weir wrote (2004-02-15 07:44): On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:16:54AM +0100, Thorsten Haude said * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't mean it's obsolete. The book is

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-16 Thread Thorsten Haude
Moin, * Rob Weir wrote (2004-02-16 15:20): On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 10:17:09PM +0100, Thorsten Haude said Hi, * Rob Weir wrote (2004-02-15 07:44): On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:16:54AM +0100, Thorsten Haude said * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-16 Thread Jack Carroll
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Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-15 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 10:53:56AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi folks OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called,

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-15 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Sat, Feb 14, 2004 at 09:33:18PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: Please be explicit in what commands you are issuing, and what results you are seeing. Simply typing dwww at the promp line open the browser in that site. Or if I select dwww from Applications -- Debian menu --

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-15 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:44:03 +1100, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:16:54AM +0100, Thorsten Haude said * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't mean it's obsolete. The book is 20 years old! There wasn't even an X Window to speak of!

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-15 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Rob Weir wrote (2004-02-15 07:44): On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:16:54AM +0100, Thorsten Haude said * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't mean it's obsolete. The book is 20 years old! There wasn't even an X Window to speak of! I haven't

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-14 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 04:53:25PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:08:45PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: In my machine (sid) if you start dwww from terminal, or from gnome menu, it will take you straight to

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 07:16:54AM +0100, Thorsten Haude said * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Just because it doesn't mention kde 3.x doesn't mean it's obsolete. The book is 20 years old! There wasn't even an X Window to speak of! I haven't read the book under discussion, but this

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:19:27PM +0100, Christian Schnobrich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Son, 2004-02-08 at 12:24, Conrad Newton wrote: OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc.

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-12 Thread Steve Hargreaves
On 12/2/04 Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:19:27PM +0100, Christian Schnobrich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Son, 2004-02-08 at 12:24, Conrad Newton wrote: OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi folks OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. and an Amiga developer (not using C) - but this

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-12 Thread Katipo
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 18:26:49 + Steve Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/2/04 Karsten M. Self wrote: on Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:19:27PM +0100, Christian Schnobrich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Son, 2004-02-08 at 12:24, Conrad Newton wrote: OK - I admit it. I've been

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-12 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 10:53:56AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: For available online documentation: Install the 'dwww' package, which presents your locally installed documentation at http://localhost/dwww/ Then grab yourself the following packages: -

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-12 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 05:12:46PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 10:53:56AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: For available online documentation: Install the 'dwww' package, which presents your locally installed documentation at

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:09:56 -0500, Paul Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rob Pike, commenting on X: I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck. And, until the recent advent of fast CPUs, he was dead right, of course. ..fwiw, Fvwm on X

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-09 Thread M . Kirchhoff
Steve Hargreaves steve at hargreavess.freeserve.co.uk writes: What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that O'Reilly's _Running Linux_ got me started. There's lots of Debian-specific information within as well. I still refer to it now and then. --M. Kirchhoff

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-09 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 22:44:38 -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Thorsten Haude: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. I

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves wrote: Hi folks What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more specifically, debian) that I can get without trawling the web and spending

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. Thorsten -- People who thinks quotes are witty are fucking morons. - turmeric

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Katipo
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 09:38:41 +0100 Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves wrote: Hi folks What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Conrad Newton
From Steve Hargreaves on Sunday, 2004-02-08 at 02:54:53 +: Hi folks OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. and an Amiga developer (not using C) - but this damn Linux business is

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:28:58 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. Thorsten Not by any means.

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Paul Morgan wrote (2004-02-08 12:50): On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:28:58 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Christian Schnobrich
On Son, 2004-02-08 at 12:24, Conrad Newton wrote: OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. One of the best books available, both on the web and in print is Paul Sheer's Rute User's

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Angus D Madden
Steve Hargreaves, Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +: What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more specifically, debian) that I can get without trawling the web and spending several pound on printer

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:38:57 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Paul Morgan wrote (2004-02-08 12:50): On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:28:58 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * Paul Morgan wrote (2004-02-08 16:37): On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:38:57 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: I use Linux for a couple of years now, and usually know my way around on various Unix systems. Most of the tools described in the book were unknown to me because they are no longer used by

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Paul Morgan
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:23:37 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: Hi, * Paul Morgan wrote (2004-02-08 16:37): On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 13:38:57 +0100, Thorsten Haude wrote: I use Linux for a couple of years now, and usually know my way around on various Unix systems. Most of the tools described in the

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Jack Carroll
I took a run down to the bookstore tonight to look at Debian GNU/Linux Bible, on the strength of the recommendation on this thread. I found it rather dated, and I didn't think it went into as much useful detail as Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed. Admittedly, that's dated too, but I didn't

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Thorsten Haude: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. I imagine you have the same opinion of Shakespeare? Cicero,

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Nate Duehr
On Feb 8, 2004, at 8:30 PM, Jack Carroll wrote: I took a run down to the bookstore tonight to look at Debian GNU/Linux Bible, on the strength of the recommendation on this thread. I found it rather dated, and I didn't think it went into as much useful detail as Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed.

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-08 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi, * s. keeling wrote (2004-02-09 06:44): Incoming from Thorsten Haude: * Paul E Condon wrote (2004-02-08 05:15): Start with Kernighan and Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment. Please don't. This might have been a good book twenty years ago but now it's obsolete. I imagine you have the

recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Steve Hargreaves
Hi folks OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. and an Amiga developer (not using C) - but this damn Linux business is driving me nuts. First time I've used an OS that you (literally)

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Debian User
I'm sure someone will want to flame me for such a bold statement... Of all of the books I've ever bought on linux, the Linux Administration Handbook Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Trent R Hein is the only one that was worth the paper it was written on. Everything else was about 1/4 to 1/3 on

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Paul E Condon
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:54:53AM +, Steve Hargreaves wrote: Hi folks OK - I admit it. I've been working with computers for over 20 years (IBM mainframe, mini, micro(or PC as they are called, now), WinNT networks etc. and an Amiga developer (not using C) - but this damn Linux business

Re: recommended reading?

2004-02-07 Thread Katipo
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:54:53 + Steve Hargreaves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would people recommend I start with (assume I'm a complete novice) that will guide me through the basics of Linux (and more specifically, debian) that I can get without trawling the web and spending several