Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Hector wrote: > When a maintainer tags a bug report with 'wontfix', is there not an > expectation that they will say why? Obviously the Debian Developers have much freedom how to act. At least if it is about packaging and bug report processing. As for Debian policy, in this case it

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Hector wrote: > #389251 (coreutils: date's -d switch doesn't honour locale) - it's quite > an old one. But I found another instance in which the same claim applies: Its age makes it hard to conclude nowadays' habits with newly submitted bugs. The topic looks as promising for Debian

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Richard Hector (2018-02-05): > Actually, a good(ish) explanation is provided in a later bug, #729952: > > --8<-- > The date parsing feature exists in Debian only for compatibility with > upstream. It is a complete misfeature, and I would prefer that it didn't > exist at all. In an ideal

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 05 Feb 2018, Richard Hector wrote: > On 05/02/18 00:43, Nicolas George wrote: > > Richard Hector (2018-02-05): > >> #389251 (coreutils: date's -d switch doesn't honour locale) - it's quite > >> an old one. But I found another instance in which the same claim applies: > >> > >>

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (2018-02-04): > Well, it's not particularly convenient for people to have to constantly > wonder why the parser isn't doing what they think it should do. I've been > getting the questions and bug reports for 20 years, so trust me when I say > that people have trouble predicting the

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (2018-02-04): > Heck, let's try some natural language right now: I hope you enjoy the warmth of the burning straw men. Good day. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Richard Hector (2018-02-05): > #389251 (coreutils: date's -d switch doesn't honour locale) - it's quite > an old one. But I found another instance in which the same claim applies: > > richard@zircon:~$ date -d '4/2/2018' > Mon Apr 2 00:00:00 NZST 2018 > > In my NZ locale, that date should be

Re: badblocks, marquage des secteurs sans formater ?

2018-02-04 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 04/02/2018 à 10:08, Pierre L. a écrit : J'ai capté comment rechercher des secteurs défectueux sur un disque dur (à plateaux/aiguilles) à l'aide de la commande badblocks, en notant leur numéro dans un fichier texte pour utilisation ultérieure. ex test non-destructif: badblocks -nvs /dev/sdc

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 00:30, Richard Hector wrote: > On 05/02/18 00:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Richard Hector wrote: >>> When a maintainer tags a bug report with 'wontfix', is there not an >>> expectation that they will say why? >> >> Obviously the Debian Developers have much freedom how to act.

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 01:32, Nicolas George wrote: > Richard Hector (2018-02-05): >> Actually, a good(ish) explanation is provided in a later bug, #729952: >> >> --8<-- >> The date parsing feature exists in Debian only for compatibility with >> upstream. It is a complete misfeature, and I would

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 02:27:00PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Stone (2018-02-04): But a better parser would allow the same functionality, without being confusing, inconsistent, and hard to maintain. So yes, I'll stand by "complete misfeature". Can you describe what you mean by

Re: grsecurity den debian 8

2018-02-04 Thread Felix Perez
El 4 de febrero de 2018, 06:15, R Calleja escribió: > Buenos dias , > alguien ha instalado los parches de grsecurity en debian 8 y puede ayudarme. > Instale el kernel con grsecurity desde el repositorio backports, pero no se > ejecutan libreoffice-cal ni el navegador firefox.

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Michael, On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 11:44:39PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > On 3 February 2018 at 23:14, Andy Smith wrote: > > If you want to make genuine constructive suggestions for how things > > could be improved, I think you should start by identifying what > >

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 04:54:07PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: I hope you enjoy the warmth of the burning straw men. Good day. Again, 20 years of dealing with people actually having trouble with this. I'm really not making this up. Mike Stone

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 00:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Hector wrote: >> When a maintainer tags a bug report with 'wontfix', is there not an >> expectation that they will say why? > > Obviously the Debian Developers have much freedom how to act. At least > if it is about packaging and bug

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 01:44, Nicolas George wrote: >> PS - please don't cc me; I'm on the list. > Done this once, but I cannot promise I will think of it later. Document > your preference in your mail mail header, the standard way, so that it > is automatic and works for everybody, just like I did. Too bad

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 12:48:45AM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: In which case, it should refuse to accept '4/2/2018' at all, right? It can't, that would break working scripts. This is the heart of the problem: we know the parser is horrible, confusing, and irregular, but any attempt to

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 08:22:23AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: [...] > But a better parser would allow the same functionality, without > being confusing, inconsistent, and hard to maintain. So > yes, I'll stand by "complete

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (2018-02-04): > But a better parser would allow the same functionality, without being > confusing, inconsistent, and hard to maintain. So yes, I'll stand by > "complete misfeature". Can you describe what you mean by "better parser" in more details? Beware that the "same

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 02:39, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > And what should human or machine think of my mail client's idea about > when you sent your mail ? > >Tomorrow Richard Hector Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag Ha! That I'm in NZ, of course. And I'm up too late. I never see that, because we

Re: grsecurity den debian 8

2018-02-04 Thread Felix Perez
El 4 de febrero de 2018, 12:16, Felix Perez escribió: > El 4 de febrero de 2018, 06:15, R Calleja escribió: >> Buenos dias , >> alguien ha instalado los parches de grsecurity en debian 8 y puede ayudarme. >> Instale el kernel con grsecurity desde

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (2018-02-04): > Again, 20 years of dealing with people actually having trouble with this. > I'm really not making this up. Ok. Then please let me tell you that you have an observation bias: as (I suppose) a maintainer of the package, you have to deal with people who have a problem,

avahi-daemon: Failed to open /etc/resolv.conf: Invalid argument chroot.c: open() failed: No such file or directory

2018-02-04 Thread Curt
I'm getting the error avahi-daemon: Failed to open /etc/resolv.conf: Invalid argument chroot.c: open() failed: No such file or directory at boot. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=800643 Is the workaround mentioned above (and below) still valid (bug date Oct 2015)?

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 01:13, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Hector wrote: >> #389251 (coreutils: date's -d switch doesn't honour locale) - it's quite >> an old one. But I found another instance in which the same claim applies: > > Its age makes it hard to conclude nowadays' habits with newly

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Richard Hector (2018-02-05): > Now that you mention it ... ls was where I started this adventure, > reading coreutils bugs :-) > > And you mention SI prefixes - IMHO, the output of ls should be extended > to actually show 'GiB' rather than 'G' where that is what is meant. > Assumptions that the

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Hector wrote: > Incidentally, the gnu 'Date input formats' link above does talk about > only accepting English names for days and months, but doesn't say > anything about the ordering of day and month (except, under 'General > date syntax', saying that 'Order of the items is

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 04:04:34PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: All you describe is convenience for programmatic use. As I explained, this parser is meant for interactive use. For interactive use, flexibility and natural language are a convenience. And you keep ignoring the fact that actual

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
Thomas Schmitt (2018-02-04): > And what should human or machine think of my mail client's idea about > when you sent your mail ? > >Tomorrow Richard Hector Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag That it should learn to parse timezones and take them into account. The date in Richard's mail

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 06:45:16PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: David Wright (2018-02-04): $ TZ=London date Sun Feb 4 17:17:56 London 2018 $ TZ=UtterNonsense date Sun Feb 4 17:44:00 UtterNonsense 2018 The fact that it printed the name you put and not the official name of the time zone

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Mike Stone wrote: > So it must be that "first tuesday" means > the first tuesday in the month, but "second tuesday" sadly means the first > tuesday plus one second because "second" has more than one meaning and I > wanted the other one. This illustrates the fundamental problem with natural

Open a LUKS container storing the operating system, with a header file in another location

2018-02-04 Thread 21naown
Hello, I would like to open a LUKS container (which is the OS Debian) through GRUB, but with the header stored in a USB key for example. Through the file crypttab (https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/cryptsetup/crypttab.5.en.html), it seems possible to specify the path of the header, but I

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Nicolas George
David Wright (2018-02-04): > $ TZ=London date > Sun Feb 4 17:17:56 London 2018 $ TZ=UtterNonsense date Sun Feb 4 17:44:00 UtterNonsense 2018 The fact that it printed the name you put and not the official name of the time zone shows that the value is invalid. The correct value would have been:

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread David Wright
On Sun 04 Feb 2018 at 18:45:16 (+0100), Nicolas George wrote: > David Wright (2018-02-04): > > $ TZ=London date > > Sun Feb 4 17:17:56 London 2018 > > $ TZ=UtterNonsense date > Sun Feb 4 17:44:00 UtterNonsense 2018 > > The fact that it printed the name you put and not the official name of >

Re: (deb-cat) Ethernet I219-LM em deixa de funcionar

2018-02-04 Thread Narcis Garcia
El controlador ve amb el paquet linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 i l'únic fitxer relacionat sembla ser: /lib/modules/4.9.0-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko No en sé veure la versió. Ara estic veient que els 3 ordinadors en qüestió no tenen exactament el mateix problema. Només

pipe como variable en bash

2018-02-04 Thread Josu Lazkano
Buenas, Tengo un pequeño problema de scripting que no se como resolver. Dispongo de un comando que me da el consumo eléctrico de mi casa: # rtl_fm -f 43350 -s 20 -r 96000 -g 19.7 2>/dev/null | Efergy Lo que quiero es redirigir esta salida a un script en bash y tratar la salida como una

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: Anyway, if you propose to remove the ability to write something like "2017-12-04 + 73 days", I veto as strongly as I can. The above is a very restricted subset of the date(1) grammar. Your confusion seems to stem from the fact

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread David Wright
On Sun 04 Feb 2018 at 14:39:44 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Hector wrote: > > Incidentally, the gnu 'Date input formats' link above does talk about > > only accepting English names for days and months, but doesn't say > > anything about the ordering of day and month (except,

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread David Wright
On Sun 04 Feb 2018 at 17:44:54 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Mike Stone wrote: > > So it must be that "first tuesday" means > > the first tuesday in the month, but "second tuesday" sadly means the first > > tuesday plus one second because "second" has more than one meaning and I > >

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 05/02/18 09:49, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: They seem to happen when I am running  four or more apps at the same time. I would never expect to see orphaned inodes except after a system crash or kernel memory corruption. How did you test your CPU and RAM? Do you see any other symptoms such as

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 4 February 2018 at 22:50, Michael Fothergill < michael.fotherg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 4 February 2018 at 15:20, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 11:44:39PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: >> > On 3 February 2018 at 23:14, Andy Smith

Re: Kernel for Spectre and Meltdown

2018-02-04 Thread Michael Fothergill
On 4 February 2018 at 15:20, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Michael, > > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 11:44:39PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > On 3 February 2018 at 23:14, Andy Smith wrote: > > > If you want to make genuine constructive suggestions for how

Re: pipe como variable en bash

2018-02-04 Thread fernando sainz
El día 4 de febrero de 2018, 21:32, Josu Lazkano escribió: > Buenas, > > Tengo un pequeño problema de scripting que no se como resolver. > Dispongo de un comando que me da el consumo eléctrico de mi casa: > > # rtl_fm -f 43350 -s 20 -r 96000 -g 19.7 2>/dev/null |

Re: pipe como variable en bash

2018-02-04 Thread petrohs el compa obrero
a mi se me ocurre export variable="$(rtl_fm -f 43350 -s 20 -r 96000 -g 19.7 2>/dev/null | Efergy)"; y ya podrias usar la variable dentro de MiScript.sh On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 3:34 PM, fernando sainz wrote: > El día 4 de febrero de 2018, 21:32, Josu

Fosdem rasspberry !

2018-02-04 Thread ptilou
Bonsoir, J'ai testé la distrib , y a ce PB continuelle de l'authentification WIFI, et donc c'est quoi les clés de hash du bon système, je vais pas corriger les amusements de certain ... Sinon, chez Fedora ils m'ont dit que sur une tablette il existe une signature de l'OS, et que chacun est

Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I am running Debian Stretch on am eight thread AMD GPU platform. Lately, it seems if I have been plagued by surfeit of orphaned nodes. I have goggled the causes. cures and prevention, but have gotten no results that make any sense to me. I've been using computer since the early 1960's but am an

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Sun, Feb 04, 2018 at 03:49:36PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I am running Debian Stretch on am eight thread AMD GPU platform. > Lately, it seems if I have been plagued by surfeit of orphaned nodes. > > I have goggled the causes. cures and prevention, but have gotten no > results that make

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 04 February 2018 15:49:36 Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I am running Debian Stretch on am eight thread AMD GPU platform. > Lately, it seems if I have been plagued by surfeit of orphaned nodes. > > I have goggled the causes. cures and prevention, but have gotten no > results that make any

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-02-04 at 20:06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sun, 04 Feb 2018, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > >> I am running Debian Stretch on am eight thread AMD GPU platform. >> Lately, it seems if I have been plagued by surfeit of orphaned nodes. > > That means: > > 1. "unlinked" files or

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 04 Feb 2018, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I am running Debian Stretch on am eight thread AMD GPU platform. > Lately, it seems if I have been plagued by surfeit of orphaned nodes. That means: 1. "unlinked" files or directories were still open when the filesystem had to be shutdown/made

policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
Hi all, This might not be the most useful list, but I'm not subscribed to -devel and don't want to jump in there without good reason. When a maintainer tags a bug report with 'wontfix', is there not an expectation that they will say why? I was just reading a bug report that seemed valid (if

Re: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag

2018-02-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/02/18 00:43, Nicolas George wrote: > Richard Hector (2018-02-05): >> #389251 (coreutils: date's -d switch doesn't honour locale) - it's quite >> an old one. But I found another instance in which the same claim applies: >> >> richard@zircon:~$ date -d '4/2/2018' >> Mon Apr 2 00:00:00 NZST

mac en rade

2018-02-04 Thread hamster
Quelqu'un m'appelle au secours a propos d'un mac qui démarre plus. Il y a un double boot mac/linux et pour les deux systèmes les syptomes sont les memes : ca fait mine de démarrer, puis écran noir et plus rien ne se passe. Un essai de démarrage sur une clef USB avec SystemRescueCD a fait plus

Re: mac en rade

2018-02-04 Thread Belaïd
Bonjour, Essai d'installer OS X sur un support externe (disque externe par exemple) et démarre avec, si ça bloque au bout de la barre de chargement, selon les nombreux cas que j'ai eu sur les macs, ça viendrai de la puce graphique. Si ça démarre normal avec le disque externe, dans ce cas

Re: mac en rade

2018-02-04 Thread Pierre Malard
Salut, As-tu essayé de zapper la P-RAM ? Appuyer sur « [Command]+[option]+[P]+[R] » dès le son de démarrage (il faut les 3 mains, je sais ;-) et garder l’appuis sur au moins 4 ou 5 reboot (son de démarrage) puis lâcher. Si je me souviens bien, l’effacement des données de préférence d’affichage

Re: mac en rade

2018-02-04 Thread hamster
Le 05/02/2018 à 08:38, Belaïd a écrit : Bonjour, Essai d'installer OS X sur un support externe (disque externe par exemple)  et démarre avec, si ça bloque au bout de la barre de chargement, selon les nombreux cas que j'ai eu sur les macs,  ça viendrai de la puce graphique. Si ça démarre

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread David Christensen
On 2/4/18 12:49 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: receiving warning messages from the OS, Please post the warning messages from the OS, and identify where they are coming from. Please run 'mount' and post the prompt, the command, and the relevant portions of the output. Please do the same for

Re: Causes, cures and prevention of orphaned inodes?

2018-02-04 Thread deloptes
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > Can anyone give me some guidance in what I should be looking for?  It > would be much appreciated. >From my experience most probably inappropriate shutdown (no unmount when shutdown). How do you shutdown your machine? Can you try without systemd (just install sysvinit

Re: Écran noir après le démarrage.

2018-02-04 Thread Charles Plessy
> Le 16/01/2018 à 15:12, Charles Plessy a écrit : > > > C'est quand même un gros progrès. Avec bash, j'ai espoir de configurer > > le démarrage du réseau, et me connecter en SSH, un jour, peut-être... Le Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 08:48:17PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg a écrit : > > Tu pourrais connecter

badblocks, marquage des secteurs sans formater ?

2018-02-04 Thread Pierre L.
Bonjour, Petite pêche à l'info à propos de l'utilisation de badblocks... J'ai capté comment rechercher des secteurs défectueux sur un disque dur (à plateaux/aiguilles) à l'aide de la commande badblocks, en notant leur numéro dans un fichier texte pour utilisation ultérieure. ex test

Re: Firefox lié à Google

2018-02-04 Thread Eric Degenetais
Bonjour, avez vous testé le changement de la home page vers about:blank ? Éric Dégenètais Le 3 févr. 2018 1:48 PM, "Eric Degenetais" a écrit : > Custom Search Engine... ne serait-ce pas l'un de ces sites qui propose de > chercher dans ses pages à l'aide d'un formulaire

grsecurity den debian 8

2018-02-04 Thread R Calleja
Buenos dias , alguien ha instalado los parches de grsecurity en debian 8 y puede ayudarme. Instale el kernel con grsecurity desde el repositorio backports, pero no se ejecutan libreoffice-cal ni el navegador firefox. Sabe alguien como se administra grsecutiry. Muchas gracias, Roberto.