Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-09 Thread Reco
On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 08:46:13PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 9/12/19 6:57 pm, Reco wrote: > > ll it takes is to look at APNIC record with whois. > > Shows your ISP and a city it's operating at. > > I could dig deeper, but I'm lazy. > Thanks Andrei > > > I got 3 addresses > 2 of them

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-09 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 9/12/19 6:57 pm, Reco wrote: ll it takes is to look at APNIC record with whois. Shows your ISP and a city it's operating at. I could dig deeper, but I'm lazy. Thanks Andrei I got 3 addresses 2 of them about 3Km away from me (1 in a public park) the 3rd, about 4,500Km away from me, but

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-09 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 04:05:00PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 4/12/19 11:11 am, John Hasler wrote: > > Yes. I suggest Newsguy o > > > Um > > Firefox gave me this when I went to their web page > > Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead Firefox messages are useless

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-08 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 05:44:37PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 7/12/19 10:55 am, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > Have had a couple of questions that have gotten me thinking deeply, > > primarily about whose/what safety I am really trying to protect. My best > > answer is > >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 09 dec 19, 17:44:37, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 7/12/19 10:55 am, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > Have had a couple of questions that have gotten me thinking deeply, > > primarily about whose/what safety I am really trying to protect. My best > > answer is personal, physical safety of my

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-08 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 7/12/19 10:55 am, Keith Bainbridge wrote: Have had a couple of questions that have gotten me thinking deeply, primarily about whose/what safety I am really trying to protect. My best answer is personal, physical safety of my family. Good afternoon all I have pondered over all you pros and

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-08 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 4/12/19 11:11 am, John Hasler wrote: Yes. I suggest Newsguy o Um Firefox gave me this when I went to their web page Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead Nightly detected a potential security threat and did not continue to member.newsguy.com. If you visit this site, attackers

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-06 Thread Jan Bakuwel
On 7/12/19 12:55 pm, Keith Bainbridge wrote: On 3/12/19 8:42 pm, Keith Bainbridge wrote: Just wondering if this is ALL good advice? Should I use it for ALL my mail, or just sensitive stuff, like lobbying politicians. I'm still here.   Have had a couple of questions that have gotten me

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-06 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 3/12/19 8:42 pm, Keith Bainbridge wrote: Just wondering if this is ALL good advice? Should I use it for ALL my mail, or just sensitive stuff, like lobbying politicians. I'm still here. Have had a couple of questions that have gotten me thinking deeply, primarily about whose/what

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-06 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 10:21:45AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-12-06, wrote: > > [...] pompous [...]? > > You seem to have sadly progressed backwards [...] Thanks for confirming. Cheers? -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-06, wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 09:28:58AM -, Curt wrote: > > [...] > >> Unhappily, both you and Joe were so impatient to refute this argument >> that you could not wait for it to be actually presented [...] > > [...] pompous [...]? You seem to have sadly progressed

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-06 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 09:28:58AM -, Curt wrote: [...] > Unhappily, both you and Joe were so impatient to refute this argument > that you could not wait for it to be actually presented [...] A little pompous yourself, of late? Nevermind -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-06 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-05, Brian wrote: > >> If you have nothing to hide, it most certainly does not mean you have >> nothing to fear. > > I wondered when the "If you have nothing to hide,..." argument would > surface. I have plenty to hide. For example, I would not like it widely > known that I occasionally

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 05 December 2019 21:02:20 Bob Crochelt wrote: > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 05:06:42 -0500 > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 05 December 2019 04:50:56 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:14:31AM -, Curt wrote: > > > > On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > > > > I found

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Bob Crochelt
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 05:06:42 -0500 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 05 December 2019 04:50:56 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:14:31AM -, Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > > > I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy > > > >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:09:15 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 05 dec 19, 12:30:49, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:17:46 +0200 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > The free account is quite restricted (500 MB, 150 messages per day). > > > This is more than enough for me for the

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 05 dec 19, 12:30:49, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:17:46 +0200 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > The free account is quite restricted (500 MB, 150 messages per day). > > This is more than enough for me for the stuff I don't want on GMail. > > I really wanted to use ProtonMail,

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Joe
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 20:36:28 + Brian wrote: > > I wondered when the "If you have nothing to hide,..." argument would > surface. It is always brought up by those who believe that no authority can ever do wrong, nor even make a mistake. I thought I'd pre-empt them. > I have plenty to hide.

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Brian
On Thu 05 Dec 2019 at 20:23:04 +, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:52:40 - (UTC) > Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-12-05, Joe wrote: > > > > > > Because only in the last decade or so has it been possible for a > > > government or company to read and listen to every single word of > > >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Brian
On Thu 05 Dec 2019 at 18:18:55 +, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:14:31 - (UTC) > Curt wrote: > > > On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > > > > > I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy on > > > the New York Times -- it's safe for mortals. > > > > > > OTOH, I haven't

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Joe
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:52:40 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2019-12-05, Joe wrote: > > > > Because only in the last decade or so has it been possible for a > > government or company to read and listen to every single word of > > correspondence of every single person in their country, without any >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:17:46 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 04 dec 19, 12:49:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Which bring me to the table to ask about protonmail. Who pays for that > > supposedly secure service at the end of the month? Simple TANSTAAFL, a > > law that can't be broken and

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-05, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > On 05/12/2019 18:18, Joe wrote: > > I can't take any more of this thread. It's "ADVICE" ! :-) > Well, as Carl Jung once said, giving advice is a safe activity, seeing that hardly anyone ever takes it (thus the psychoanalyst's legendary reserve, I

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 05/12/2019 18:18, Joe wrote: I can't take any more of this thread. It's "ADVICE" ! :-) > On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:14:31 - (UTC) > Curt wrote: > >> On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: >>> >>> I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy on >>> the New York Times -- it's safe for

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-05, Joe wrote: > > Because only in the last decade or so has it been possible for a > government or company to read and listen to every single word of > correspondence of every single person in their country, without any > judicial oversight or probable cause. If it had been possible

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 18:18:55 + Joe wrote: > Because only in the last decade or so has it been possible for a > government or company to read and listen to every single word of > correspondence of every single person in their country, without any > judicial oversight or probable cause. If it

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Joe
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 09:14:31 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > > > I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy on > > the New York Times -- it's safe for mortals. > > > > OTOH, I haven't been able to get anyone around here to switch from > > GMail... >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-05, wrote: >> What the aging hoi polloi might not be able to grasp is why [...] >> [encryption] has now somehow become a crucial need. > > I might qualify as "aging hoi polloi" [...]. I [...] grasp (...) That's wonderful that you're grasping, but I appreciate neither your unreasoned

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 05 December 2019 04:50:56 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:14:31AM -, Curt wrote: > > On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > > I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy on > > > the New York Times -- it's safe for mortals. > > > > > > OTOH, I

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 05 December 2019 03:31:18 Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 04.12.19 17:33, Gene Heskett wrote: > > My point exactly. That means two accounts at your isp, I think mine > > charges only after the 2nd one, and two active fetchmail/procmail > > sessions = more trouble than it worth. Me? I

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 09:14:31AM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > > > I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy on the > > New York Times -- it's safe for mortals. > > > > OTOH, I haven't been able to get anyone around here to switch from GMail... > > >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 05 December 2019 01:21:18 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> [1] (neo)mutt, Sylpheed, Claws Mail, Evolution, KMail, etc. > > > > My kmail is TDE's, might not be new enough. > > Not new enough, but good enough ;-) > > I use it on a daily bases with GPG - works just fine Good

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Curt
On 2019-12-05, ghe wrote: > > I found out about it in an article on Internet security/privacy on the > New York Times -- it's safe for mortals. > > OTOH, I haven't been able to get anyone around here to switch from GMail... > What the aging hoi polloi might not be able to grasp is why, after

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-05 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 04.12.19 17:33, Gene Heskett wrote: > My point exactly. That means two accounts at your isp, I think mine > charges only after the 2nd one, and two active fetchmail/procmail > sessions = more trouble than it worth. Me? I got the heck off gmail > years ago for lack of privacy reasons, and I

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: >> [1] (neo)mutt, Sylpheed, Claws Mail, Evolution, KMail, etc. >> > My kmail is TDE's, might not be new enough. Not new enough, but good enough ;-) I use it on a daily bases with GPG - works just fine

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, December 04, 2019 08:42:43 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 04 December 2019 18:20:11 John Hasler wrote: > > Gene writes: > > > That means two accounts at your isp... > > > > Why? Just to state it clearly, I've never had a need for more than one account at my ISP for multiple

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 December 2019 18:20:11 John Hasler wrote: > Gene writes: > > That means two accounts at your isp... > > Why? > > > ...and two active fetchmail/procmail sessions... > > Fetchmail can scan any number of different servers with a single > session. I recall now that I've done as high

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread ghe
(Please excuse topPost. ) I'm use protonmail. I run a tiny domain. And I use 2 email clients/servers: protonmail and Thunderbird. I'm quite happy with protonmail (PM). On 12/4/19 3:33 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 04 December 2019 16:17:46 Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Mi, 04 dec 19,

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 04 dec 19, 17:33:40, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 04 December 2019 16:17:46 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > What's the point in using something like ProtonMail with a publicly > > archived mailing list? > > > My point exactly. That means two accounts at your isp, I think mine >

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 04 dec 19, 17:17:30, John Hasler wrote: > Andrei writes: > > The free account is quite restricted (500 MB, 150 messages per day). > > This is more than enough for me for the stuff I don't want on GMail. > > If it's free (as in beer) it's no different than Gmail. The only "advertising"

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread John Hasler
Gene writes: > That means two accounts at your isp... Why? > ...and two active fetchmail/procmail sessions... Fetchmail can scan any number of different servers with a single session. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > The free account is quite restricted (500 MB, 150 messages per day). > This is more than enough for me for the stuff I don't want on GMail. If it's free (as in beer) it's no different than Gmail. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > What is not explicitly mentioned there is that you should also somehow > establish that a specific key belongs to the person, e.g. by meeting > in person and comparing key fingerprints (and some photo ID if you > don't know each other). Only if you require identification (a

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 December 2019 16:28:05 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 12:49:53PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > IMO it needs far more educationally aimed discussion than the lists > > in general have supported so far. Even a pointer to a good tut would > > be

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 December 2019 16:17:46 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 04 dec 19, 12:49:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Which bring me to the table to ask about protonmail. Who pays for > > that supposedly secure service at the end of the month? Simple > > TANSTAAFL, a law that can't be broken and

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread tomas
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 12:49:53PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > IMO it needs far more educationally aimed discussion than the lists in > general have supported so far. Even a pointer to a good tut would be > appreciated at this campsite. A tut that is NOT written as a commercial > for a

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 04 dec 19, 12:49:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Which bring me to the table to ask about protonmail. Who pays for that > supposedly secure service at the end of the month? Simple TANSTAAFL, a > law that can't be broken and have survivors, John. The free account is quite restricted (500 MB,

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 04 December 2019 11:17:27 John Hasler wrote: > Brad Rogers writes: > > And as has been mentioned, people continue to use the > > google/yahoo/whoever surveillance webmail systems. And let's face > > it, they're not going to offer encryption that does not, at the very > > least,

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread John Hasler
Brad Rogers writes: > And as has been mentioned, people continue to use the > google/yahoo/whoever surveillance webmail systems. And let's face it, > they're not going to offer encryption that does not, at the very > least, have a backdoor in it. Not cynical. Given that they must be able to

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread John Hasler
tomás writes: > So what I do is... sign my messages. I'll soon add something to my > signature recommending encryption (and offering help in setting that > up). Good idea. I did that years ago and should start again. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 20:03:42 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: Hello Andrei, >In my opinion "never" is too strong here, especially with free services I take your point.. ...however.. (you just *knew* that was coming, didn't you? :-D) .not everyone uses serves such as ProtonMail.

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-04 Thread tomas
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 09:34:48AM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: [...] > Several have commented on the usefulness of encryption. The people I > will be a addressing will mainly fall under the group that wont > bother trying. That's my situation to: venturing a rough estimate, 95% to 99% of

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread John Hasler
Keith Bainbridge writes: >Perhaps a more secure email provider is my best course? Yes. I suggest Newsguy or another for-pay email provider. Do as I do and configure Fetchmail to download all your new mail every five minutes (and delete it on the server, of course). The snoops rely on people

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 4/12/19 1:19 am, Dan Clery wrote: In a general sense, the more we encrypt communication,  the better we hide our source IP address, the safer we are, because if you only encrypt dangerous communications, it's a clear flag of what messages are dangerous. If they're drops in a sea of noise,

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 03 dec 19, 12:50:24, John Hasler wrote: > https://www.wired.com/2015/10/mr-robot-uses-protonmail-still-isnt-fully-secure/ Noting the article is more than 4 years old. > Besides, most users will continue to use Gmail and the like. Sure, but ProtonMail also allows to communicate fairly

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Keith Bainbridge
On 3/12/19 11:04 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Most appear to be quite sensible, but I'm not using Thunderbird. Do note that encryption can work only if the other side supports it as well and you have their public key. Thanks everybody One advantage of sleeping while most of you are wide awake

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread John Hasler
https://www.wired.com/2015/10/mr-robot-uses-protonmail-still-isnt-fully-secure/ Besides, most users will continue to use Gmail and the like. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 03 dec 19, 15:55:37, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 20:42:30 +1100 > Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > Hello Keith, > > >Should I use it for ALL my mail, or just sensitive stuff, like lobbying > >politicians. > > Ideally, all one's email should be encrypted because if it isn't, the

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 20:42:30 +1100 Keith Bainbridge wrote: Hello Keith, >Should I use it for ALL my mail, or just sensitive stuff, like lobbying >politicians. Ideally, all one's email should be encrypted because if it isn't, the ones that *are* encrypted simply SCREAM 'look at me, I'm

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Dan Clery
Any security advise without consideration of your threat model is less than ideal. As others have said, if you send me an encrypted email, and I'm not prepared to deal with it, your message won't be recieved (your great aunt Tilly isn't going to be able to read your encrypted emails without a

Re: Is this ALL good advise

2019-12-03 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 03 dec 19, 20:42:30, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > Good evening All > > > Just wondering if this is ALL good advice? > > Should I use it for ALL my mail, or just sensitive stuff, like lobbying > politicians. Most appear to be quite sensible, but I'm not using Thunderbird. Do note that