Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On 11/24/24 12:06, Hans wrote: Hello Alexander, thank you very much for your response. Short answer: Not usable. Hmm, that is a pity. Long answer: As a rule of thumb, never trust AliExpress product descriptions. +100 or more. I bought a voron trident, $1300 + ship, 3 years ago? Carton all smashed to hell but no empty pockets for parts. Did not say 'kit" anyplace in description. Got all the major hardware, but only 25% of the plastic, getting the printable files was always missing about half, after 6 months they quit responding so I gave up, it may at some point be a printer but it will be me designing and subbing good parts if and when using their frame and bed. Depends on whether I find a need for a printer that small. You have to always look up _specifications_ on Intel official website or websites of other vendors.Seller claims this device has N100 CPU [1], but in Characteristics section it is actually J4115 [2]. Does this mean, in real this is not an Intel CPU? I saw these notebooks from several different sellers, and all are telling the same. Do they all lie? (Well it might be possible) So which is it? Display resolution 1280*800 means it couldn't be used comfortably by today's UI standards and is not significantly better than screen of your smartphone. Yes, but this would be ok for me. My old fellow, an Asus EEEPC 1008 has got 1024x600 which was ok for me. But now over the years, it got rather slow and it is 32-bit, too. So I am looking for a successor. For basic network analysis I could use a tablet (which I am also using) with "termux" and a bluetotth keyboard. But I would like to use an Inetl compatible cpu, as all my wanted stuff is running on this. And it shall be small. 13 inch and bigger I already own, so these small things awoke my attention. Notice how none of the reviewers made a photo or screenshot of actual hardware specifications detected by OS. More reasons to not trust device descriptions or reviews. Yes, I see. There is not a single actual photo of the product, in the description section, only 3D modeled edited pictures. When order is disputed, AliExpress arbitration service will consider Characteristics as primary source for specifications, so it will be customer's fault in the end and refund could be denied. In conclusion: It is a *very* overpriced toy, not a device you could accomplish any complex work. Hmm, overpriced, you say. Do you mean, "overpriced" even when the the tellings are true (CPU, RAM-size, hardrive-size and so on)? If I was in the market for a new "work horse" laptop, I'd search for one with at least 14" screen size, with display height resolution of 1080p or more. Hmm, well, here in Germany is a very good reseller for "normal" notebooks. I can get a 12 inch Dell notebook with 8GB RAM and a 512GB drive for under 100 Bucks (about 99 €uro). This with 2 year guarantee. The notebook is of cource refurbished. I know this seller for many years and he can be trusted and has a well service. If I do not find a smaller notebook for about 300 €, I will buy this one. It is a pity, my hope was another statement than yours. However, thank you very much for your help and the time you took! It helped a lot! Best regards Hans . Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On 24.11.2024 22:05, Hans wrote: Long answer: As a rule of thumb, never trust AliExpress product descriptions. You have to always look up _specifications_ on Intel official website or websites of other vendors.Seller claims this device has N100 CPU [1], but in Characteristics section it is actually J4115 [2]. Does this mean, in real this is not an Intel CPU? I saw these notebooks from several different sellers, and all are telling the same. Do they all lie? (Well it might be possible) They are both Intel CPUs just different models. One is 12th-Gen, while the other is discontinued Celeron SoC. You can see their specifications by following URLs I've sent in previous email. As frequent AliExpress shopper, I've had my share of dishonest sellers, but also extremely honest ones, who would admit their mistakes and send out missing parts of an order even without a dispute procedure. Shopping on AliExpress is a gamble and every gamble implies a loss of money. So which is it? Display resolution 1280*800 means it couldn't be used comfortably by today's UI standards and is not significantly better than screen of your smartphone. Yes, but this would be ok for me. My old fellow, an Asus EEEPC 1008 has got 1024x600 which was ok for me. But now over the years, it got rather slow and it is 32-bit, too. So I am looking for a successor. For basic network analysis I could use a tablet (which I am also using) with "termux" and a bluetotth keyboard. But I would like to use an Inetl compatible cpu, as all my wanted stuff is running on this. And it shall be small. 13 inch and bigger I already own, so these small things awoke my attention. It seems like you've looking for a niche product with specific tasks in mind. My patience and eyesight for small screens are very limited and I can't get work done within sensible time, if I don't have a man page and a config file open on the screen side-by-side. There is not a single actual photo of the product, in the description section, only 3D modeled edited pictures. When order is disputed, AliExpress arbitration service will consider Characteristics as primary source for specifications, so it will be customer's fault in the end and refund could be denied. In conclusion: It is a *very* overpriced toy, not a device you could accomplish any complex work. Hmm, overpriced, you say. Do you mean, "overpriced" even when the the tellings are true (CPU, RAM-size, hardrive-size and so on)? Even if the specs are true, they are asking 450USD+ (price for 12GB RAM, 1TB Storage+customs and delivery fees) for a product of unknown build quality, with outdated screen, without warranty, without information about internal components and their quality, without information about battery life, etc. 12GB RAM means it is working in Single channel mode, 4GB soldered onboard + 8GB in SODIMM slot, or 8GB soldered onboard + 4GB in SODIMM slot. LCD screens with those specifications could be sourced from rejected, or old refurbished products. 1TB M.2 drive could be SATA instead of much faster NVMe, or is made with slower and cheaper QLC (4bit) NAND chips instead of TLC (3bit) NAND chips. Chinese engineers are very clever about utilizing previous-gen components, refurbished and rejected ones. Overall, for me it is too much money to gamble. For 450USD there are usually much better options, even if they are off-brand (like Huawei, Maibenben, etc), but with warranty, if they are bought from local shops/sites. If I was in the market for a new "work horse" laptop, I'd search for one with at least 14" screen size, with display height resolution of 1080p or more. Hmm, well, here in Germany is a very good reseller for "normal" notebooks. I can get a 12 inch Dell notebook with 8GB RAM and a 512GB drive for under 100 Bucks (about 99 €uro). This with 2 year guarantee. The notebook is of cource refurbished. I know this seller for many years and he can be trusted and has a well service. If I do not find a smaller notebook for about 300 €, I will buy this one. It is a pity, my hope was another statement than yours. However, thank you very much for your help and the time you took! It helped a lot! No problem, just sharing my experience with you. I might sound discouraging, it is definitely a product not for me, but considering all information I gave you, if you feel like you can afford this gamble, go for it. At the very least you will get a cool looking piece of technology to put on a shelf. :) -- With kindest regards, Alexander. Debian - The universal operating system https://www.debian.org
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
> I am frustrated that I cannot perceive any performance improvements in > CPUs since the 4th Gen i7s. This is likely due to the software I use > does not gain any perceptible improvement from running on > a faster CPU? Not really, it's simply that, since the end of [Dennard scaling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennard_scaling) around 2007, we don't know how to make CPUs faster, really. Progress is *very* slow. That's why the number of cores has gone up, since we still know how to do that. Sadly, for many tasks, additional cores make no difference. Stefan
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Monday, 25-11-2024 at 03:39 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > a CPU that is less than the performance of an i5. > > Side note: such a description is not very useful because a 10 year old > i7 can be significantly less powerful than a recent i3. While ymmv is valid, I favour i7 CPUs (and Ryzen 7) over other CPUs. At times i5 CPUs will suffice. I am frustrated that I cannot perceive any performance improvements in CPUs since the 4th Gen i7s. This is likely due to the software I use does not gain any perceptible improvement from running on a faster CPU? I guess I have not used a recent i3. I once made the mistake of believing an i3 was usefully powerful and have been turned off ever since. My personal experience is there is little effective performance between 12 year old CPUs and current CPUs. Which I find sad, I would like to replace our 2nd Gen i7 (that runs a VR system) and discover everything runs multiple times faster (even twice as fast would be nice). I will take your comment on board, hoping I will have the opportunity to test out more recent CPUs. George. > > > Stefan > >
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Monday, 25-11-2024 at 04:29 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks to all who replied. With only 4 GB, I'm not interested in that > laptop, > but I was maybe most concerned about S-mode (in Windows). Me too. There are many Windows programs I like to install that I do not want to install from the Windows Store. Going through a Store is a iPad/iPhone, Android thing. I prefer not to use "Stores" as historically, this has not been how Windows was used. Users could source programs from any source. Sadly this can lead to a user installing malicious software. Using a Store has some advantages in providing some form of "vetting" of software that is admitted to the store. This is a security concept, similar to how I (usually) only install programs for Linux from Debian's repositories, and only deviate if the software is well known (e.g. Eclipse). However I always try to remember that "security", is never absolute. No matter how you try, nothing is absolutely secure, but even the weakest security measures add a level of protection. More protection the better. But every thing we do has both positive and negative attributes. Some "Stores" prohibit "sideloading", that is installing software from sources other than the "approved" Store. Only if the burden of applying protection does not outweigh the cost of having the protection, do I support the idea. Debian does not prohibit people from installing software from sources beyond Debian's repositories, and only warn users to be mindful that doing so may cause issues. (apologies for the rant, I like to be free to "sideload" when I want to) > > I assume that would not keep me from installing Linux, I mean, presumably I > can still get into the BIOS (or the newer (to me) style of BIOS) and load > Linux from a pendrive or such? I expect, but of course have not actually tried doing so on this model, that you could install a second drive (i.e. an NVMe) as per the videos on the Internet. And I would expect that Linux could be installed to that drive, and the BIOS updated to boot from the drive. For example, I expect it would be possible to install a Samsung NVMe, say a 2 TB NVMe, and using Samsung's Data Migration Software, migrate the installed OS from the eMMC to the NVMe, then set the NVMe as the boot drive. Later the soldered on board eMMC could be and repartition/formatted as secondary storage. I can only presume that the laptop's manufacturer went to the expense of including the NVMe socket so people could do this. I think this is a great idea. Just a pity they did not do the same with the RAM. I would not appreciate trying to use Windows 11 with less that 16 GB of RAM, yet alone with only 4GB of RAM. I did not even know Windows 11 could function in 4GB ! Like you said, the RAM is a limitation for today's world. I expect Debian, would function in 4GB, though it might not be easy. As I reply to this email, my Debian desktop is only using 2.7GB of the 32 GB of RAM in this computer. Once I open four YouTube videos, the memory usage goes to 3.9 GB. Many people leave 10 to 20 tabs open all the time. My major concern is the low performance of the CPU. I have used CPUs like this, and in some use cases, the performance is fine, but as soon as you start to push them, the lack of performance becomes obvious (and annoying). You mentioned that you wanted to ' to demo some software "on the road" '. I recall watching someone once "demonstrate" some software on a slow performing laptop, and while it could be seen that the software worked, the lack of performance reflected negatively on said software. I indicated to him that this was not helping promote his software. People easily become annoyed when things run slowly, even if they know it is not directly the software's fault. Please give people the best experience possible so they will feel positive about your software. George. > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in > > > S-mode (link below). > >
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:52 PM wrote: > > Ahh, ok, thanks -- that's pretty clear that there is no memory slot, and, even > though I wouldn't use the laptop for much -- to demo some software "on the > road", 4 MB is very limiting. The SSD might be soldered onto the motherboard, too. I found that to be the case on a low-end Chrome book I bought a long time ago. Apparently it saves a few cents on a socket. Jeff
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
You're mostly right, I'm not terribly sorry, but I don't use it on every email or post I make -- on debian-user typically only the first post in a thread I might start or possibly in the first comment I make to a thread. I've fixed the sig separator. But let me ask you, do you complain to those that quote all or most of the previous posts in a thread when they have no relevant comment about most of what they've quoted? Have a good day! On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:58:33 PM Tom Furie wrote: > No, you aren't, and you know you aren't. So drop the fake apology. Over > 40 lines of sig on an approx 20 line email! At least fix your sig > separator!
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 12:34:17PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > But let me ask you, do you complain to those that quote all or most of the > previous posts in a thread when they have no relevant comment about most of > what they've quoted? Now and then, yes. Though it often doesn't have much impact, it occasionally does. Whether it's often enough to make a difference I can't say, as I haven't done a study on the matter. Cheers, Tom -- Your friends will know you better in the first minute you meet than your acquaintances will know you in a thousand years. -- Richard Bach, "Illusions" signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Thanks to all who replied. With only 4 GB, I'm not interested in that laptop, but I was maybe most concerned about S-mode (in Windows). I assume that would not keep me from installing Linux, I mean, presumably I can still get into the BIOS (or the newer (to me) style of BIOS) and load Linux from a pendrive or such? > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in > > S-mode (link below).
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Hello Alexander, thank you very much for your response. > Short answer: Not usable. Hmm, that is a pity. > Long answer: > As a rule of thumb, never trust AliExpress product descriptions. > You have to always look up _specifications_ on Intel official website or > websites of other vendors.Seller claims this device has N100 CPU [1], > but in Characteristics section it is actually J4115 [2]. Does this mean, in real this is not an Intel CPU? I saw these notebooks from several different sellers, and all are telling the same. Do they all lie? (Well it might be possible) > So which is it? > Display resolution 1280*800 means it couldn't be used comfortably by > today's UI standards and is not significantly better than screen of your > smartphone. Yes, but this would be ok for me. My old fellow, an Asus EEEPC 1008 has got 1024x600 which was ok for me. But now over the years, it got rather slow and it is 32-bit, too. So I am looking for a successor. For basic network analysis I could use a tablet (which I am also using) with "termux" and a bluetotth keyboard. But I would like to use an Inetl compatible cpu, as all my wanted stuff is running on this. And it shall be small. 13 inch and bigger I already own, so these small things awoke my attention. > Notice how none of the reviewers made a photo or screenshot of actual > hardware specifications detected by OS. More reasons to not trust device > descriptions or reviews. Yes, I see. > There is not a single actual photo of the product, in the description > section, only 3D modeled edited pictures. > When order is disputed, AliExpress arbitration service will consider > Characteristics as primary source for specifications, so it will be > customer's fault in the end and refund could be denied. > In conclusion: It is a *very* overpriced toy, not a device you could > accomplish any complex work. > Hmm, overpriced, you say. Do you mean, "overpriced" even when the the tellings are true (CPU, RAM-size, hardrive-size and so on)? > If I was in the market for a new "work horse" laptop, I'd search for one > with at least 14" screen size, with display height resolution of 1080p > or more. Hmm, well, here in Germany is a very good reseller for "normal" notebooks. I can get a 12 inch Dell notebook with 8GB RAM and a 512GB drive for under 100 Bucks (about 99 €uro). This with 2 year guarantee. The notebook is of cource refurbished. I know this seller for many years and he can be trusted and has a well service. If I do not find a smaller notebook for about 300 €, I will buy this one. It is a pity, my hope was another statement than yours. However, thank you very much for your help and the time you took! It helped a lot! Best regards Hans
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
> a CPU that is less than the performance of an i5. Side note: such a description is not very useful because a 10 year old i7 can be significantly less powerful than a recent i3. Stefan
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Hans wrote: > I discovered some small laptops (10 inch and 7 inch), with an Intel N100 > processor, up to 16 GB RAM and ump to 1 TB disk. But shipped with windows. > > 2 questions: > > 1. Does one have any experience, if the N100 cpu is usable for fluently work? > These processors are also built in small mini computers. I have an N100 mini running firewall duties. It is more than adequate for that. > 2., Can debian installed on these laptops or are theire BIOSes mostly dongled > like on Microsoft Surface tablets and have to be cracked? I don't know about the laptops; I found it very easy to install Debian stable. > However, the question is: Will the N100 be fast enough for fluently working > with it? (My comparision is a Fujitsu Lifebook with 8GB and an I5 cpu). I have a very old mini -- 11 years old -- running an i3-3227U, which is strictly inferior to an N100 in every benchmark and technology. It works just fine as a Debian desktop running X, XFCE, LibreOffice and Firefox. Having enough RAM and an SSD goes a long way towards usability. -dsr-
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Ahh, ok, thanks -- that's pretty clear that there is no memory slot, and, even though I wouldn't use the laptop for much -- to demo some software "on the road", 4 MB is very limiting. On Saturday, November 23, 2024 06:39:12 PM George at Clug wrote: > The link you provided about the Laptop states: "Memory Slot (Available) > 0", indicating you would not be able to upgrade the memory. > MemoryMemory 4GB > Memory Spec 4 GB onboard > Memory Slot (Available) 0
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On 24.11.2024 14:21, Hans wrote: Following the discussion here, iI would like to ask something. I discovered some small laptops (10 inch and 7 inch), with an Intel N100 processor, up to 16 GB RAM and ump to 1 TB disk. But shipped with windows. 2 questions: 1. Does one have any experience, if the N100 cpu is usable for fluently work? These processors are also built in small mini computers. Short answer: Not usable. Long answer: As a rule of thumb, never trust AliExpress product descriptions. You have to always look up _specifications_ on Intel official website or websites of other vendors.Seller claims this device has N100 CPU [1], but in Characteristics section it is actually J4115 [2]. So which is it? Display resolution 1280*800 means it couldn't be used comfortably by today's UI standards and is not significantly better than screen of your smartphone. Notice how none of the reviewers made a photo or screenshot of actual hardware specifications detected by OS. More reasons to not trust device descriptions or reviews. There is not a single actual photo of the product, in the description section, only 3D modeled edited pictures. When order is disputed, AliExpress arbitration service will consider Characteristics as primary source for specifications, so it will be customer's fault in the end and refund could be denied. In conclusion: It is a *very* overpriced toy, not a device you could accomplish any complex work. If I was in the market for a new "work horse" laptop, I'd search for one with at least 14" screen size, with display height resolution of 1080p or more. [1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/231803/intel-processor-n100-6m-cache-up-to-3-40-ghz/specifications.html [2] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/192635/intel-celeron-j4115-processor-4m-cache-up-to-2-50-ghz/specifications.html -- With kindest regards, Alexander. Debian - The universal operating system https://www.debian.org
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Following the discussion here, iI would like to ask something. I discovered some small laptops (10 inch and 7 inch), with an Intel N100 processor, up to 16 GB RAM and ump to 1 TB disk. But shipped with windows. 2 questions: 1. Does one have any experience, if the N100 cpu is usable for fluently work? These processors are also built in small mini computers. 2., Can debian installed on these laptops or are theire BIOSes mostly dongled like on Microsoft Surface tablets and have to be cracked? If one is interested, what I mean ( I do not want to make an advertisement, so I avoid a link), then you can go to www.aliexpress.com and searcfh for "8 Zoll 12. Generation P8 N100 Mini-Gaming-Laptop Intel Alder Lake N100 Touchscreen 12G DDR5 Windows 11 Notebook Yoga Tablet PC 2 in 1" and there are a lot of sellers. I intend to use it especially for the daily work, like network analysis, data rescue, office and much more. It shall run debian, kali-linux, maybe athena-os and (as it is already installed) Windows_11. Most important is ruinning debian and kali. However, the question is: Will the N100 be fast enough for fluently working with it? (My comparision is a Fujitsu Lifebook with 8GB and an I5 cpu). Thanks for any feedback (can be short!) Best Hans
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sun, Nov 24, 2024 at 09:51:16AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: [...] > Way too kind. > > Calling cheap asses cheap asses is IMNSHO better kindness for mankind. Don't be so harsh on people. Rather be harsh on the corps fleecing them. Trying to get a cheap computer is understandable if your budget is low. This Asus thing is a honeytrap. It'll trap you into Windows, and it'll trap you into a box you'll have to throw away once the next Windows version comes out. At least that is what Asus gets from Microsoft for doing this -- but I'd guess they get some more kickback on top. Me? I have long stretches in my life where my budget is tight. I buy refurbished laptops (currently the luxury of a Lenovo x260 with 16G of RAM and a 2T SSD). Yes, it's my work machine. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 10:07:57PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in > > S-mode > > > > I assume (I know), but am not sure that I will be able to load Linux on > > that > > laptop -- can anyone tell me for sure? That should be the vendor. And if the vendor doesn't care, don't care about that vendor. > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do that. > > > > cc'ing me would be helpful, I subscribe to the list but can't keep up with > > reading it anymore -- I will try to pay attention for the next week or so > > for > > any responses. > > > > > > These are very much like a Chromebook-style cheap machine. Windows 11 S mode > is Windows 11 locked down to secure apps from the Microsoft Store. > > Be _especially_ careful on the disk size: this may be a flash disk or > whatever and not upgradeable. A bit small. > > A great machine for a primary school student whose school runs Windows. > Not so great for real use in my biased opinion - I have had Debian > running in 4GB and 32G of flash disk but it was painfully slow. Slow for todays standards. I did have fun with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC in the days. > Cheap machine at cheap price but your level of hardship may be commensurate. > > > Thank you! > > > > You're welcome. All the very best, as ever, Way too kind. Calling cheap asses cheap asses is IMNSHO better kindness for mankind. I'm in doubt what is better, expressing So you want Linux on a computer that is being sold without Linux. Somehow you got "cheap deal" and doubt in your mind. Then the doubt is redirected to this community. Only for the short term "cheap deal". That might be unawareness, but I'm bold enough to call it stupidy. Feel free to remain stupid, feel free to get some awareness. Try to understand what buying power is, try to imaginate that you want within five years another computer with Linux, imaginate that your neighbourg wants next month a computer with Linux. or ignoring the unreasonable request. > Andy Cater > (amaca...@debian.org) > > > Rh Kramer > > | Sorry about the sig -- some people think it is too long -- it is my > > soapbox. Forty, 40, lines deleted. > > A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects > > (and > > offends) a large number of readers. ;-) That ';-)' is only sustainable in e-world. In real world it gets corrected. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
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Oops, failed to send to the list -- resending. On Saturday, November 23, 2024 06:15:45 PM George at Clug wrote: > On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 07:44 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one > > site has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not > > sure what the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 > > GB is soldered in). > > Can you please forward the link that suggests you can upgrade memory? Sorry, I closed that link without saving it, but I suspect that I was looking at the wrong model and that you are correct about RAM not being upgradeable. I will make a (cursory) search later tonight, but I strongly suspect I was looking at the wrong model. Thanks for your reply -- if I can't upgrade RAM it is not all that interesting to me.
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Hi, The link you provided about the Laptop states: "Memory Slot (Available) 0", indicating you would not be able to upgrade the memory. I believe you can put in an M.2 NVMe and then install Linux to that NVMe, that way you can still boot Windows as well as Linux? I would be concerned about CPU performance. I have had challenges using a CPU that is less than the performance of an i5. Though I did set up a laptop like this for a person to use video conferencing through a Web Browser a few years ago using Debian XFCE, and that worked well. I guess this depends on what you want to use it for? Intel Pentium Silver N6000 https://versus.com/en/intel-pentium-silver-n6000 Someone's comment reguards the CPU: "I do not recommend for any task at all, this processor can barely run browsers alone or just a 4k video. If you versus any processer against this and it says the pentium silver n6000 wins, just know its a lie. Do not buy this garbage" https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver-n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521][ASUS%2015.6%22%20Vivobook%20Go%20Laptop,%20FHD,%20Intel%20Pentium%20N6000%20Quad%20Core,%204GB%20RAM,64GB%20SSD,%20Windows%2011%20in%20S%20Mode,%20Star%20Black,%20L510KA-NB21 Specs Learn more about the ASUS L510KA-NB21 Inaccurate specs? Let us know Feedback Best Seller Ranking #14 in Laptop / Notebook ModelBrand ASUS Series Vivobook Go Model L510KA-NB21 Part Number 90NB0UJ5-M016D0 Quick InfoColor LCD Cover: Star Black, Plastic Top Case: Black, Plastic Operating SystemWindows 11 in S mode CPU Intel Pentium Silver N6000 1.10 GHz Screen 15.6" Memory 4 GB DDR4 Storage 64 GB eMMC Graphics Card Intel UHD Graphics Video MemoryShared memory Dimensions (W x D x H) 14.18" x 9.31" x 0.71" Weight 3.46 lbs. CPUCPU Type Intel Pentium Silver CPU NameIntel Pentium Silver N6000 Number of Cores Quad-core Processor CPU L3 Cache4 MB DisplayScreen Size 15.6" Touchscreen No Wide Screen Support Yes Display TypeFHD Resolution 1920 x 1080 Color Gamut 45% NTSC LCD Features16:9 220nits Anti-Glare NTSC:45% Operating SystemOperating SystemWindows 11 in S mode GraphicsGPU/VPU Intel UHD Graphics Video MemoryShared system memory Graphic TypeIntegrated Card StorageSSD 64 GB eMMC HDD No MemoryMemory4GB Memory Spec 4 GB onboard Memory Slot (Available) 0 Optical DriveOptical Drive Type No CommunicationsWLAN Wi-Fi 5 (802.11ac) (Dual band) 1*1 WiFi Generation Wi-Fi 5 Bluetooth Bluetooth 5.1 (*Bluetooth version may change with OS version different.) PortsUSB1 x USB 2.0/1.1 / 1 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A / 1 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-C HDMI1 x HDMI 1.4 Audio Ports 1 x 3.5mm Combo Audio Jack Input DeviceKeyboardChiclet Keyboard Webcam 720p HD camera GeneralStyleThin and Light TypeHome / Personal Usage Consumer PowerAC Adapter 33W AC Adapter Output: 19V DC, 1.75A, 33W Input: 100-240V AC 50/60Hz universal Battery 42WHrs, 3S1P, 3-cell Li-ion Dimensions & WeightDimensions (W x D x H) 14.18" x 9.31" x 0.71" Weight 3.46 lbs. Additional InformationDate First Available May 29, 2024 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpfVX3jaBU Can I upgrade my Asus Vivobook E510 SSD or RAM? [RAM soldered, not able to upgrade] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxU6hz0BmfQ ASUS laptop E510 - DISASSEMBLY and UPGRADE OPTIONS [You can't upgrade/expand the memory. (RAM)] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHWenMLj_E ASUS Vivobook Go 15 L510 Laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI How to UPGRADE eMMC Storage With M.2 NVMe SSD On ASUS Laptop! F2 to get into BIOS On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 10:15 George at Clug wrote: > > > On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 07:44 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one > > site > > has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not sure what > > the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 GB is > > soldered > > in). > > Can you please forward the link that suggests you can upgrade memory? > > >From my research, the memory is not upgradeable. There was no "empty SODIMM > >slot"? Though there could be an M.2 slot for adding an extra drive. My > >challenge with such videos on YouTube is many variations of models, and > >whether the one I buy is exactly the same model as the one I am watching. > >After purchase the model can be slightly different from the ones in video. > > Maybe I found a different model? > > The below videos suggest the eMMC is soldered in, but there is an unused M.2 > slot into which you can install a M.2 NVMe drive. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpfVX3jaBU > Can I upgrade my Asus Vivobook E510 SSD or RAM? > [RAM soldered, not able to upgrade] > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxU
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sunday, 24-11-2024 at 07:44 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one site > has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not sure what > the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 GB is soldered > in). Can you please forward the link that suggests you can upgrade memory? >From my research, the memory is not upgradeable. There was no "empty SODIMM >slot"? Though there could be an M.2 slot for adding an extra drive. My >challenge with such videos on YouTube is many variations of models, and >whether the one I buy is exactly the same model as the one I am watching. >After purchase the model can be slightly different from the ones in video. Maybe I found a different model? The below videos suggest the eMMC is soldered in, but there is an unused M.2 slot into which you can install a M.2 NVMe drive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMpfVX3jaBU Can I upgrade my Asus Vivobook E510 SSD or RAM? [RAM soldered, not able to upgrade] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxU6hz0BmfQ ASUS laptop E510 - DISASSEMBLY and UPGRADE OPTIONS [You can't upgrade/expand the memory. (RAM)] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xHWenMLj_E ASUS Vivobook Go 15 L510 Laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpkT8JwgnAI How to UPGRADE eMMC Storage With M.2 NVMe SSD On ASUS Laptop! F2 to get into BIOS I hope this helps. George. > > On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:38:56 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do > > that. > > >* [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB > > RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]] > >
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I see an attractive deal on a laptop that is shipped with Windows 11 in > S-mode > (link below). > > I assume (I know), but am not sure that I will be able to load Linux on that > laptop -- can anyone tell me for sure? > > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do that. > > cc'ing me would be helpful, I subscribe to the list but can't keep up with > reading it anymore -- I will try to pay attention for the next week or so for > any responses. > >* [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB RAM, > 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]] > These are very much like a Chromebook-style cheap machine. Windows 11 S mode is Windows 11 locked down to secure apps from the Microsoft Store. Be _especially_ careful on the disk size: this may be a flash disk or whatever and not upgradeable. A bit small. A great machine for a primary school student whose school runs Windows. Not so great for real use in my biased opinion - I have had Debian running in 4GB and 32G of flash disk but it was painfully slow. Cheap machine at cheap price but your level of hardship may be commensurate. > Thank you! > You're welcome. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater (amaca...@debian.org) > Rh Kramer > > -- > rhk > > | Sorry about the sig -- some people think it is too long -- it is my soapbox. > > (sig revised 20240703 -- new first paragraph (above)) > (sig revised 2024 -- new penultimate paragraph) > > No entity has permission to use this email to train an AI. > > If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; > avoid top posting; and keep it "on list". (Oxford comma (and semi-colon) > included at no charge.) If you revise the topic, change the Subject: line. > If you change the topic, start a new thread. > > Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal documents > excepted?). Make it easier for your reader by various means, including > liberal use of whitespace (short paragraphs, separated by whitespace / blank > lines) and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and > references. > > If someone has already responded to a question, decide whether any response > you add will be helpful or not ... > > A picture is worth a thousand words. A video (or "audio"): not so much -- > divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and > edit it to 10% of the original. (Remember Cicero who did not have enough > time > to write a short missive.) > > A speaker who uses ahhs, ums, or such may have a real physical or mental > disability, or may be showing disrespect for his listeners by not properly > preparing in advance and thinking before speaking. (That speaker might have > been "trained" to do this by being interrupted often if he pauses.) > > A radio (or TV) station which broadcasts speakers with high pitched voices > (or > very low pitched / gravelly voices) (which older people might not be able to > hear properly) disrespects its listeners. Likewise if it broadcasts > extraneous or disturbing sounds (like gunfire or crying), or broadcasts > speakers using their native language (with or without an overdubbed > translation). > > | A news broadcast or snippet thereof which ends with the correspondent's > name > instead of a recap of at least some key point(s) of the story does a > disservice to its (casual) listeners. > > A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects (and > offends) a large number of readers. ;-) >
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 15:38:56 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > 64GB SSD Sorry, I can't tell you for sure if Linux will load on one of these, not having done the experiment. I can tell you that I would not plan on dual booting. I have Windows 11 on two of my machines here, and have shrunk its partition down to 60 GiB, in addition to the 592 MiB recovery partition. As Windows uses 37 GiB, that leaves 24 GiB at most available for Linux. Unless you can pare the Windows installation down considerably. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 03:38:56PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Rh Kramer > > -- > rhk > > | Sorry about the sig -- some people think it is too long -- it is my soapbox. No, you aren't, and you know you aren't. So drop the fake apology. Over 40 lines of sig on an approx 20 line email! At least fix your sig separator! -- NEWARK has been REZONED!! DES MOINES has been REZONED!! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Linux on a Laptop shipped with Windows 11 in S-mode
Ahh, with respect to RAM, there is an empty SODIMM slot and at least one site has installed an 8 GB stick there for a total of 12 GB -- I'm not sure what the maximum additional RAM could be. (The factory installed 4 GB is soldered in). On Saturday, November 23, 2024 03:38:56 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > PS: I'd also want to expand the RAM and I have to find out if I can do > that. >* [[https://www.newegg.com/asus-l510ka-nb21-15-6-intel-pentium-silver- > n6000-4gb-intel-uhd-graphics-64-gb/p/N82E16834236521?Item=N82E16834236521] > [ASUS 15.6" Vivobook Go Laptop, FHD, Intel Pentium N6000 Quad Core, 4GB > RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 11 in S Mode, Star Black, L510KA-NB21]]
