Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Do all these perverse cases also require less than 2Q votes to be cast? Sadly, no. They do require less than Q votes to be cast with A above the default, and nearly all of the other votes to be cast with A equal to

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:33:31AM -0400, Andrew Pimlott wrote: Which makes D win, rather than A, B or C. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean this is not the best strategy. Sure it does: if their sincere preferences were A,B,C D in all cases, (whatever their preferences amongst A, B and C) then

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:18:18AM -0400, Andrew Pimlott wrote: sincere strategy by BAD 9 ABD 9 ABD 6 BAD 6 BDA 3 DAB 3 DAB 2 DBA 2 DBA Condorcet+SSD A

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah, so now it is a matter of determining intent. So, short of providing code for telepathically determining the voters intent, how can one cater to people who really find A unacceptable,

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This whole discussion tells me that the original proposal (with Manoj's s/quorum/.../ change, for consistency) should be up to that task. Cool. All we need is the other

Re: Better quorum change proposal, with justifiction

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 01:33:07PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: No, it's not a quorum system. Quorum is always opinion-neutral, under every defintion. Trivial counter-example: it's not under mine. (Quorum is a small group of people that are necessary to make decisions; normally, they

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:50:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah, so now it is a matter of determining intent. So, short of providing code for telepathically determining the

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Do all these perverse cases also require less than 2Q votes to be cast? Sadly, no. They do require less than Q votes to be cast with A above the default, and nearly all of the other votes to be cast with A equal to

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD vote tallying

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 10:33:31AM -0400, Andrew Pimlott wrote: Which makes D win, rather than A, B or C. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean this is not the best strategy. Sure it does: if their sincere preferences were A,B,C D in all cases, (whatever their preferences amongst A, B and C) then