Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 05:27:24PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: It really sucks that we reached this point. But since proper communication has failed horribly to resolve this, I recognise there's no other way. Seconded. I hereby withdraw my second to this proposal. Many developers were

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
Euh. This ought to be signed, IIRC.. On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 06:21:41PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 05:27:24PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: It really sucks that we reached this point. But since proper communication has failed horribly to resolve this, I

PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
I propose an amendment to this GR proposal. The text is completely replaced by: === The Debian project hereby resolves: - That the developers in charge for adding the architecture identified by dpkg as amd64,

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Graham Wilson
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: Rationale: - Taking technical decisions through voting is not generaly a good idea. Agreed. - We're facing a communication problem, so the solution is to ease communication between the affected parties. This GR

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Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: === The Debian project hereby resolves: - That the developers in charge for adding the architecture identified by dpkg as amd64, hereinafter amd64, to

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:16:04PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's fundamental to the project structure, and written into the constitution. Get used to the idea, and stop proposing GRs that don't do anything. Please note the use

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 12:12:20PM -0500, Graham Wilson wrote: - We're facing a communication problem, so the solution is to ease communication between the affected parties. This GR seems to force communication between ftpmaster and the porters. I don't put in question the

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]: On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: === The Debian project hereby resolves: - That the developers in charge for adding the

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 08:51:14PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:16:04PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's fundamental to the project structure, and written into the constitution. Get used to the idea,

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:48:24PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]: On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: === The Debian project hereby

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:04:02PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: I don't think communication will be eased by a GR forcing people to talk to each other. Well, since everything else has failed, I disagree. None of these other things worked, so this one must? That's not actually rational...

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute. (was: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64)

2004-07-28 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h * Andrew Suffield [Wed, Jul 28 2004, 07:16:04PM]: You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's fundamental to the project structure, and written into the constitution. Get used to the idea, and stop proposing GRs that don't do anything. You can propose

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Roland Mas
Andrew Suffield, 2004-07-28 22:20:09 +0200 : None of these other things worked, so this one must? That's not actually rational... Ever heard of the Shadoks? [1] They had this saying: Keep on trying, and you'll eventually succeed. Therefore, the more it doesn't work, the more likely it is to

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]: On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: === The Debian project hereby resolves: - That the

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:30:28PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a no-op by rule of the constitution. Might be a no-op but its an ultimatum of a sort. You could formulate it as: That the developers in charge for adding the architecture

Re: PROPOSAL: Communication to solve the dispute.

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:05:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote: Andrew Suffield, 2004-07-28 22:20:09 +0200 : None of these other things worked, so this one must? That's not actually rational... Ever heard of the Shadoks? [1] They had this saying: Keep on trying, and you'll eventually