Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:56:27AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:54 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 12:36:56PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software |

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:40:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware issue; however, it is not yet finally sorted out; So, what progress has been

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 12:38:45AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote: On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 07:51:06PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: [...] But we, Debian developers, can make this confusion vanish, and I would like to propose that we answer to the valid question quoted in the second paragraph

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 10:59:36PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: Hello, On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 11:45:54AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: fs, this is contrary to what we where trying to achieve, i would like to know why you seconded this. What we want to archive, is release etch in

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-29 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Qua, 2006-09-27 às 12:38 -0500, Manoj Srivastava escreveu: , | 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software | community (Social Contract #4); | 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel | firmware issue; however, it is not yet

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 08:16:04AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: 2) firmware under the GPL, but with missing source. The GPL is free, but the absence of source code for the firmware blobs makes it a violation of the GPL, and thus undistributable. I was very careful to

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:44:36 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Denis, if this issue gets voted before the clarification of the firmware stuff, i would take this extremely bad. Please wait your turn, and favour issues which are technically important above bass politcking.

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-29 Thread Markus Laire
On 9/29/06, Steve Langasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, the RMs seem to have some notion, from the hurried discussion we had yesterday, that they seem to interpret your post as allowing to distribute sourceless GPLed firmware, because the GPL licence is DFSG free. Er, yes, because that's

Re: [AMENDMENT]: Release Etch now, with source-less but legal and freely licensed firmware

2006-09-29 Thread Markus Laire
On 9/28/06, Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) firmware under the GPL, but with missing source. The GPL is free, but the absence of source code for the firmware blobs makes it a violation of the GPL, and thus undistributable. Here, the

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:14:57 -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:44:36 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Denis, if this issue gets voted before the clarification of the firmware stuff, i would take this extremely bad. Please wait your turn, and

Re: Call for votes (Was: kernel firmwares: GR proposal)

2006-09-29 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 05:02:13PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 06:40:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: 2. We acknowledge that there is a lot of progress in the kernel firmware issue; however, it is not yet finally sorted out; So, what progress has been

Draft ballot DFSG #2 applies to all programmatic works

2006-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, This is a draft ballot. Voting is not yet open. The vote.debian.org pages may ont yet have been updated. manoj Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,1st October, 2006 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 14th October, 2006. The

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-29 Thread Denis Barbier
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 10:35:51AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:14:57 -0500, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:44:36 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Denis, if this issue gets voted before the clarification of the

Re: Resolutions concerning dunc-tank

2006-09-29 Thread Peter van Rossum
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First resolution `We disapprove of dunc-tank': -8- BACKGROUND 1. Anthony Towns, the current Debian Project Leader, has suggested funding the Debian Release Managers' living expenses during the

Encoding of web page for vote_004

2006-09-29 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, Sep 29, 2006 at 11:35:48AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: ... The details of the general resolution can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_004 I am wondering on the encoding of this web page. It's source seems to use UTF-8 for names such as: René van Bevern Frank