seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
Hello, Ok, since the proposal in its amended by Manoj form passed, we need to add an amendment to this proposal, accordying to Manoj, so that we don't have two proposals in effect at the same time, leaving it a full mess. So, i propose this amendment, as discussed with Manoj, and need your

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Probably, but then choice 1. of the ballot currently under vote should have had 3:1 supermajority also, which added to misleading wording of the short title compared to the actual content of the proposal, cast some serious

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:52:57AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:17:56AM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice how SC5 says : we support their use and provide infrastructure for non-free packages. This clearly includes support for installing non-free

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:17:56AM +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice how SC5 says : we support their use and provide infrastructure for non-free packages. This clearly includes support for installing non-free firmware on our installer medias. Notice how SC5 says : we support

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:56 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Probably, but then choice 1. of the ballot currently under vote should have had 3:1 supermajority also, which added to misleading wording of the short

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:42:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:56 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Probably, but then choice 1. of the ballot currently under vote should have had

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Martin Wuertele
I second the following proposal: === START OF PROPOSAL === Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the firmware mentioned below designates binary data included in some of the linux kernel drivers, usually as hex-encoded variables and whose purpose is to be loaded into a given piece

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:07:02AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Hello, Ok, since the proposal in its amended by Manoj form passed, we need to add an amendment to this proposal, accordying to Manoj, so that we don't have two proposals in effect at the same time, leaving it a full mess. Which 2

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Kyle McMartin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 === START OF PROPOSAL === Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the firmware mentioned below designates binary data included in some of the linux kernel drivers, usually as hex-encoded variables and whose purpose is to be loaded into a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Sven Luther wrote: Well, we all know it is sourceless GPLed firmware, and we chose just to say the contrary, because it is convenient to us. If we know[1] a work is a sourceless GPLed work, then we cannot distribute it *at* *all*. Doing otherwise is wholly inappropriate, GR

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:54:18PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 10:07:02AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Hello, Ok, since the proposal in its amended by Manoj form passed, we need to add an amendment to this proposal, accordying to Manoj, so that we don't have two

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:16:04 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 08:42:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:17:56 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 03:57:28PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Probably,

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:08:13PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: This is a new proposal, which was not in the ballot, because Manoj hurried the election along the way, while he knew the kernel team was working on a better proposal. Please do not blame our secretary for following the

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:51:11PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:08:13PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: This is a new proposal, which was not in the ballot, because Manoj hurried the election along the way, while he knew the kernel team was working on a better

Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed. (Was: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.)

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
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Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed.

2006-10-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:02:10 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, i blame Manoj (not wearing his secretary hat) for doing the call for vote, after i had made the final proposal, proposal which should have been consensual, and Manoj (as-DD) was aware off, and even helped with the

[AMENDMENT] Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed.

2006-10-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
I want to amendment the following proposal: === START OF PROPOSAL === Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the firmware mentioned below designates binary data included in some of the linux kernel drivers, usually as hex-encoded variables and whose purpose is to be loaded into a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:05:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Can you spell out for us which kernel modules, in the opinion of the kernel team, are certainly sourceless GPL stuff? Please make sure you have the official opinion of the kernel team, and that you are saying that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Final consensual proposal for the problematic firmware issue in the linux kernel sources.

2006-10-15 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:03:59 +0200, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:05:57PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Can you spell out for us which kernel modules, in the opinion of the kernel team, are certainly sourceless GPL stuff? Please make sure you have the

Re: [AMENDMENT] Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed.

2006-10-15 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Kurt Roeckx said: I want to amendment the following proposal: === START OF PROPOSAL === Definition: For the purpose of this resolution, the firmware mentioned below designates binary data included in some of the linux kernel drivers, usually as