On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:57:04PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
To give an example,
I can remember well that during release of Sarge, we noticed on Saturday
(that was while already the cd images were partially done) that the
upgrade of sendmail will stop delivering any mails in the queue, but
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:23:03PM -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
,[ Proposal 4 ]
| Debian's priorities are our users and free software. We don't trade
| them against each other. However during getting an release out of the
| door, decisions need to be done how to get a rock
* Marc Haber [EMAIL PROTECTED] [081109 21:00]:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 07:27:59PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
How is shipping packages in non-free instead of main supposed to be against
the interests of our users?
Non-free is not part of Debian, and there have been movements to kick
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:57:04PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
| Debian's priorities are our users and free software. We don't trade them
| against each other.
I believe this phrase invalidates SC #1.
- If this is so, why is it not explicit?
- If it is not, what is, in your judgement,
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 08:22:00PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 07:27:59PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
How is shipping packages in non-free instead of main supposed to be against
the interests of our users?
Non-free is not part of Debian, and there have been movements to
Hi,
At this point, the following people have sponsored and seconded
the proposals detailed below. As best I can tell, the final proposal
(4) to get enough sponsors got it at Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:38:41 UTC.
So, we now have a discussion period of two weeks, though I would
prefer
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 01:23:03PM -0600, Debian Project Secretary wrote:
Hi,
At this point, the following people have sponsored and seconded
the proposals detailed below. As best I can tell, the final proposal
(4) to get enough sponsors got it at Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:38:41 UTC.
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:34:15PM +0100, Thomas Viehmann wrote:
As you seem to have conceded (for the purposes of this resolution) to
seeing the DFSG-violations fixed post-Lenny and with the linux-2.6 (with
Ben's work) and hopefully also glibc and portmap (now that Sun people
seem to be
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
or that we help our users by moving the Linux
kernel plus the installer out of main,
How is shipping packages in non-free instead of main supposed to be against
the interests of our users?
You seem to forget that non-free is not a part of Debian.
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 07:27:59PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
How is shipping packages in non-free instead of main supposed to be against
the interests of our users?
Non-free is not part of Debian, and there have been movements to kick
non-free from Debian's infrastructure. The possibility of
On Sun, Nov 09 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
* Debian Project Secretary [Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:23:03 -0600]:
,[ Proposal 2: allow Lenny to release with proprietary firmware ]
| (Since this option overrides the SC, I believe it would require 3:1
| majority)
`
,[ Proposal 3: (allow
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:57:04PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
Perhaps replace it with delay Lenny indefinitly.
This indefinitely is only so because of the technical requisites that
have been decided by the Linux maintainers and by the release team. That
is, that DFSG violations can't be
* Debian Project Secretary [Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:23:03 -0600]:
Hi,
Hello,
,[ Proposal 2: allow Lenny to release with proprietary firmware ]
| (Since this option overrides the SC, I believe it would require 3:1
| majority)
`
,[ Proposal 3: (allow Lenny to release with DFSG
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said:
The position I'm trying to defend is very simple: We have the Social
Contract for a reason, it is our promise to the free software
community. And if the Release Team (or any team) feels we can't stand
to our promises, and needs to override
* Robert Millan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081109 18:26]:
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 05:57:04PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
| Debian's priorities are our users and free software. We don't trade them
| against each other.
I believe this phrase invalidates SC #1.
I'm not argueing about believes
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