* Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 19:31]:
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Stop your FUD.
The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract.
It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations is a
violation of the Social Contract, on the part of the
Martin Wuertele [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
* Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 19:31]:
It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations
is a violation of the Social Contract, on the part of the project
as a whole, regardless of which individuals are making the
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 19:31]:
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Stop your FUD.
The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract.
It is my opinion that releasing lenny with known DFSG violations is a
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 08:08:36AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
Though I agree that the release team cannot put any foundation document
aside, I don't think the release team is overriding the social
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Ben Finney wrote:
The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are
not yet operable with Debian,
Which wireless card is supported by debian without any sourceless
firmware, either loaded by the kernel or present on the chip?
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:14:41PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
The foundation documents are like the law. This GR is like a decree of
the government that tells us how the law will be applied.
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Ben Finney wrote:
The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are
not yet operable with Debian,
Which wireless card is supported by debian without any sourceless
firmware, either loaded by the kernel or present on the
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Ben Finney wrote:
The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are
not yet operable with Debian,
Which wireless card is supported by debian without
* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-18 14:47]:
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 19:31]:
(Quote attribution elided on purpose.)
Stop your FUD.
The Release Team isn't violating the Social Contract.
It is my
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-18 14:47]:
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Martin Wuertele wrote:
* Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 19:31]:
(Quote attribution elided on purpose.)
Stop your FUD.
The Release Team isn't
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
Ben Finney wrote:
The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which are
not yet operable with Debian,
Which wireless card is supported by debian
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 08:08:36AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote:
Though I agree that the release team cannot put any foundation document
aside, I don't think the release team is
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Luk Claes wrote:
Note that firmware is no program AFAICS...
I do not think I agree. I think it is indeed a software program,
and I am not alone:
,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_software ]
| Firmware which is software programmed(sic) resident to
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:12:18PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Luk Claes wrote:
Note that firmware is no program AFAICS...
I do not think I agree. I think it is indeed a software program,
and I am not alone:
,[
Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ben Finney wrote:
The Debian system we provide is usable. There may be devices which
are not yet operable with Debian,
Which wireless card is supported by debian without any sourceless
firmware, either loaded by the kernel or present on the
Le Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:12:18PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
The DFSG has lasted us oer a decade. In another decade, I think
the distinction of central and periphery and Cell processors is
likely to erode; and our DFSG definition should be forward looking.
Hi Manoj,
I
Debian's dwindling popularity seems to be a major push behind the arguments
I'm seeing for proprietary firmware. Ubuntu bashing is so last season but I
think its clear that, in these discussions, losing developers and users is
code for losing developers and users to Ubuntu. With that in mind,
Hi Ean,
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 05:35:20PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote:
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Why the heck did you post this to -vote?
Michael
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Hi Ean!
You wrote:
There may be other solutions to this problem but I think we have to
correctly identify the source first.
To be honest, I don't consider this (i.e. Ubuntu being popular) to be a
problem at all.
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To be honest, I don't consider this (i.e. Ubuntu being popular) to be a
problem at all.
Neither do I. To your point... if Ubuntu being popular isn't a problem then
maybe Ubuntu is the right way to install Debian + proprietary firmware?
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ke, 2008-11-19 kello 07:58 +0900, Charles Plessy kirjoitti:
Manoj,
I completerly agree.
How about allowing the Project to release Lenny without changing the DFSG?
That is what Manoj proposed on 2008-11-10 in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/11/msg00060.html
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ke, 2008-11-19 kello 07:58 +0900, Charles Plessy kirjoitti:
Manoj,
I completerly agree.
How about allowing the Project to release Lenny without changing the DFSG?
That is what Manoj proposed on 2008-11-10 in
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