On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:48:43PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:36:59PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > if a majority of voters vote that we should put
> > Nvidia drivers in main, then your fundamental problem is that you have a
> > majority of people (or at le
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:13:37PM +, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > > > petitio
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:36:59PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> The other option you're proposing here, to prevent them from doing what they
> want to unless they have a 3:1 majority, reduces to "coerce the majority to
> do what you say they should do, even though they don't think you're right".
Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:54:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > I did not mean this to be argumentative. A rhetorical flourish,
> > yes. The quote is from a US politicial, and the analogy between the
> > constitutions and bill of rights was amusing.
>
> Uh,
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 08:23:27AM +, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> If this vote is 1:1 then there's no point in the 3:1 requirement since
> you can just ignore them with a 1:1 vote. When we (using the term
> loosely, since it doesn't include me) voted in the constitution, surely
> the 3:1 requireme
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I like the idea of clarifying what the principles of the project
> actually are, since, as aj said, all the decisions about lenny would
> fall out from the position the project take about the foundation
> documents. While I have always thought that "foundation" implied t
On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 09:02 -0600, Kevin Glynn wrote:
> What is the current status of the Lenny Release GR?
The vote is in process.
> Since then I have seen a proposal from Manoj to extend it a week and
> calls for it to be suspended, but I don't see a message confirming
> that. On the original
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What is the current status of the Lenny Release GR? According to
http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_003 voting hasn't started yet,
but I know it did ...
Looking at the debian-vote archive I see Manoj started the vote here:
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 05:08:57PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> The social contract is supposedly a contract.
The Social Contract is not a contract (even though it is called that - but I
believe the name is an intentional reference to a famous concept in political
philosophy). A contr
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 01:43:44PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Politics is the art of making people who disagree with you look stupid
> and immoral.
Politics is, in my experience, the art of finding the compromise that both you
and the people who disagree with you can live with (usually both con
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 04:36:59PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:
> if a majority of voters vote that we should put
> Nvidia drivers in main, then your fundamental problem is that you have a
> majority of people (or at least, voters) in Debian who think it's ok to put
> Nvidia drivers in main. Your
On Fri Dec 19 20:55, Raphael Geissert wrote:
> > ,[ The social contract is a non-binding advisory document ]
> > | This amends the proposal above, and replaces the text of the proposal
> > | with: The developers, via a general resolution, determine that the
> > | social contract is a stateme
On Sat Dec 20 14:52, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 08:31:34PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> > I assume any final proposal would explicitly amend the SC/constitution
> > to state this. In fact, I'm tempted to say that _all_ of these should
> > include SC/Constitution amendments to
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