Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-26 Thread Zephaniah E. Hull
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:15:02PM +, Mark Brown wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:58:02PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Use of debian seems to be limited because it isn't on any approved lists and charties can't get funding for an independent evaluation at the moment. Would you support using

Re: Constitutional issues in the wake of Lenny

2009-03-26 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 08:49:51AM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: On Sat Mar 14 19:40, Russ Allbery wrote: It makes an advisory project statement about the project interpretation of the FD. DDs can choose to follow that interpretation or not as they choose in their own work, but I would

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread MJ Ray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With thanks to suggestions from Wouter Verhelst and Russ Allbery, I present a redrafted amendment. Seeing as none of the proposers have responded, I ask for seconds. The rationale remains the same: almost no evidence has been presented for Q or 2Q

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-26 Thread Mark Brown
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:28:21AM -0400, Zephaniah E. Hull wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:15:02PM +, Mark Brown wrote: This is also an issue in some other industries for things like the PCI DSS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_DSS), FWIW. Taken with a grain of salt, but I can't

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Frans Pop
Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:12:17AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Getting seconds is not a vote. It's a low-level check that there is minimum support for an opinion. It's also the most reliable way for a developer to issue a statement of support that will be seen by voters

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Frans Pop
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 02:12:17AM +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : Fun! Maybe we should just dispense with the voting and just let the highest number of seconds win? That sounds like a good idea. Since it is a supermajority vote, I recommend to the proposer to drop the GR

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Joerg Jaspert wrote: PROPOSAL START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to initiate one are too

Re: Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Neil McGovern wrote: Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:52:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 08:43:16AM +, MJ Ray wrote: AMENDMENT START Replace too small with thought to be too small, but there is a lack of evidence

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray m...@phonecoop.coop writes: AMENDMENT START Replace too small with thought to be too small, but there is a lack of evidence about the correct level. Replace clause c with c) if a year has passed, starting from

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Frans Pop
MJ Ray wrote: Replace too small with thought to be too small, but there is a lack of evidence about the correct level. Replace clause c with c) if a year has passed, starting from the proposal of a general resolution, without any proposal receiving the required number of seconds, then this

Re: Amendment: automatic expiry-on-failure, to Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:52:43PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 08:43:16AM +, MJ Ray wrote: AMENDMENT START Replace too small with thought to be too small, but there is a lack of evidence

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm the GR process [rescinded]

2009-03-26 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:12:45AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:42:40PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Hello developers, I am hereby proposing the amendement below to the General resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-26 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Saturday 21 March 2009 13:00:01 Joerg Jaspert wrote: There are some that do not take part in the discussions but vote, there are those who do not even follow debian-vote because they do not feel it is worth the effort, and those that are simply not active at all. I do not have the

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:26:33PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: Are you promoting the practice of voting by I haven't got a clue what this vote is about, but my friend X is supporting option C so I'll vote for that here? I know it happens, but I'd prefer to make that harder rather than

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm current requirements for GR sponsoring

2009-03-26 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 04:10:49PM -0700, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, I am hereby proposing the amendment below to the general resolution entitled Enhance requirements for General resolutions. PROPOSAL START = General

Re: [Amendment] Reaffirm the GR process [rescinded]

2009-03-26 Thread Robert Millan
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 07:07:03PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 01:12:45AM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:42:40PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: Hello developers, I am hereby proposing the amendement below to the General resolution

Re: blablablablablablabla (was Re: lifting censorship during the DPL campaign ...

2009-03-26 Thread Brian May
which censorship Does it matter? I think we can guess what he meant to say even though he may have used the wrong word for the purpose. Could people please stop bringing this up again and again? The best way of helping that is to ignore

Re: Question for DPL Candidates: Debian $$$

2009-03-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:43:06PM +, MJ Ray wrote: Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: Do you have any further ideas yourself on where we should spend our money? How about paying grants to other charities to evaluate debian, to adapt it to meet their needs and deploy it, or to hold