Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-04-01 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 18:13 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: My father, for instance, often drives a screw into a piece of wood with a chisel when he doesn't have a screwdriver around. And I've also seen him chop off bits of wood with a screwdriver,

Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Hello dear candidates, Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? What would you do about it, as a DPL? Thanks to each one of you for being candidate.

Re: Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-04-01 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:47:53AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: Agreed, but would you agree that it is a core part of the role of the DPL/2IC, or indeed any mediator, to provide at least basic status and progress info to the project as a whole? Yes, absolutely. Beside this specific case---which

Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-04-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I think this discussion is beginning to veer off topic, since it is far from figuring out who to vote for, etc. This is my last post on ths topic here, if you want to covince me of the error of my ways, please take it to private email. If you want to change how we do things to

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Frank Lin PIAT fp...@klabs.be wrote: Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? There are two important things involved:

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Mike O'Connor
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 01:45:45PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: If it is not an export or a license violation that a member of the FTP team inspects a package, then I do not think it is for any other member of the project. I am not proposing to give a read access to the NEW queue for any other

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:24:14AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: One important example is fixing bugs. Developers spend quite a lot of time fixing bugs, and most of the time you don't need to be a DD to fix those bugs, anybody can help out fixing more bugs. Another example is the

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:53:47AM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit : It doesn't take long processing NEW to realize that many DDs cannot be trusted to make sure that all of the code they are uploading is legally redistributable. I also think that we need to review the NEW uploads. But this is

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge to do more every year? What would you do about it, as a DPL? Hi

Re: Question for the other candidates: supermajority.

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:38:09PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : I don't like the underlying intuition that this entails, namely that the GR proposer is somehow different from the other people which contribute to the ballot preparation (e.g. seconders and proposers of the initial and

Thanks to everybody for this campaign.

2010-04-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Dear all, this campaign has been much more intensive than I thought. I would like to thank everybody for their questions, and the other candidates for their answers. I had difficulties to keep up and regret that I could not discuss ideas deeper with the other candidates. I am also sorry that I

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 01:34:02AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit : Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool). How do we face the challenge

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Marcelo E. Magallon mmaga...@debian.org wrote:  Simple question: How?  (in case it's not clear: since you seem to think it's part of  the DPL's responsabilities, how do you plan to attract people to  help with these things?) I do not think it's part of the

Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

2010-04-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 05:15:38AM -0700, Manoj Srivastava wrote: What about peer review of the packages? My *peers* have no problems dealing with the build system, IMO. As long as you tautologically define your *peers* as the set of people willing to tolerate the gratuitous overhead

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 03:00:29PM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: I do not think it's part of the DPL responsibilities. I do think that it's something that Debian needs and that doing it with the DPL hat on is going to make it easier, it's not a requirement (most stuff that DPL candidates

Re: Questions for all candidates: decentralization of power

2010-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
I also think that we need to review the NEW uploads. But this is not what I discuss here. I propose to let all DDs look what is in the NEW queue. (This would of course help to review the NEW uploads). If there is ever any legal fun around this, it is a *HUGE* difference if you can say Only

Re: Question to all Candidates: we want more, aren't we?

2010-04-01 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Marcelo E. Magallon mmaga...@debian.org wrote:  You say it would be easier if you were DPL.  Why do you think  this is the case? It is inevitable that people will take you more seriously when you are the appointed leader than if you are just a random developer.

Debian Project Leader Elections 2010: Call for votes

2010-04-01 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
Hi, This is the first call for votes for the Debian Project Leader Elections 2010. Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Friday, April 2nd, 2010 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Thursday, April 15th, 2010 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2010: Call for votes

2010-04-01 Thread Rémi Vanicat
Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx secret...@debian.org writes: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 7efb5344-bc61-46d2-b86c-3d1b144e1236 [ 1 ] Choice 1: Stefano Zacchiroli [ 2 ] Choice 2: Wouter Verhelst [ 5 ] Choice 3: Charles Plessy [ 3 ] Choice