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Dear Debian project,
in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming
non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one.
Since it was also part of my platform and since DPL terms don't last
forever,
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
infrastructure
On 14.09.10 10:53, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Of all those topics, one topic *might* have consensus already: accepting
as DDs contributors which have contributed a lot to Debian doing
non-packaging work, which intend to continue doing so, and which are
ready to uphold our Foundation Documents.
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 à 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including
Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
Of all those topics, one topic *might* have consensus already: accepting
as DDs contributors which have contributed a lot to Debian doing
non-packaging work, which intend to continue doing so, and which are
ready to
Am Dienstag, den 14.09.2010, 17:53 +0900 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but
Stefano Zacchiroli scrisse:
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might
become Debian Developers without upload rights to the Debian archive.
These new developers shall be recognized as Debian
Re: Giacomo A. Catenazzi 2010-09-14 4c8f40be.9050...@debian.org
I don't understand the procedure. You are already empowered to do it:
8.1 The Project Leader's Delegates:
1. [...]
2. may make certain decisions which the Leader may not make
directly, including approving or expelling
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org
So you are already free to do it by delegating. A GR would be used
to overrule your decision, but, as you already noted, there is
already a general consensus on the issue.
Equally, the DPL is empowered to start a GR to do this. I'm very
happy to see a DPL
Re: Luca Bruno 2010-09-14 20100914120120.c0d3f45b.lu...@debian.org
As we still remember the big on terminology thread[0] and we don't
want here to create more confusion nor to start the big renaming race,
I think it will be better to leave terminology out of this GR, as this
will introduce
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 17:53 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
Debian Developers without upload rights to the Debian archive. These
new developers
Re: Lars Wirzenius 2010-09-14 1284461384.2573.26.ca...@havelock
I do not like the introduction of yet another class of person developing
Debian. I propose we call everyone with voting rights in Debian a
Debian Developer (development not being restricted to coding and
packaging).
We are
Am Dienstag 14 September 2010, 10:53:46 schrieb Stefano Zacchiroli:
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Dear Debian project,
in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming
non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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Dear Debian project,
in recent events I've attended as DPL, the topic of welcoming
non-packaging contributors as project members has been a recurring one.
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 13:14 +0200, Christoph Berg wrote:
Re: Lars Wirzenius 2010-09-14 1284461384.2573.26.ca...@havelock
I do not like the introduction of yet another class of person developing
Debian. I propose we call everyone with voting rights in Debian a
Debian Developer (development
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* Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org [2010-09-14 10:53:46 CEST]:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project
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On 09/14/2010 10:53 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:53:46 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org
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* Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
opportunity for becoming Debian project members.
On 17:53 Tue 14 Sep , Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not limited to:
On 12238 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not limited to:
Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900]:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not
Hi,
While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
at least, that it will be communicated like that).
I see two different ways to avoid that:
[A] Avoid giving DDs without upload rights any special
MJ Ray dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:26:01AM +0100]:
Giacomo A. Catenazzi c...@debian.org
So you are already free to do it by delegating. A GR would be used
to overrule your decision, but, as you already noted, there is
already a general consensus on the issue.
Equally, the DPL is
Christoph Berg dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:30:57PM +0200]:
As we still remember the big on terminology thread[0] and we don't
want here to create more confusion nor to start the big renaming race,
I think it will be better to leave terminology out of this GR, as this
will introduce even
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Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
infrastructure
Lars Wirzenius dijo [Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:41:24PM +0100]:
We are calling everyone Debian Developer (cf. the constitution). DCs
are a subset of DDs. We realize that we probably need a handy
expression for DD with upload rights [1], but we don't have one yet.
(Ideas?)
Could we please
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net, 2010-09-14, 18:56:
While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
at least, that it will be communicated like that).
I see two different ways to avoid
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but
Hi,
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 10:53:46, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including
* Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org, 2010-09-14, 19:18:
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net, 2010-09-14, 18:56:
My own preference is [B] [A] [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
[A] or [B].
Same here.
Just to
Jakub Wilk jw...@debian.org writes:
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net, 2010-09-14, 18:56:
[B] Give everybody upload rights anyway. If we trust them to influence
the project's decisions through voting, we should probably trust them to
do the right thing and not upload packages when they
Re: Gunnar Wolf 2010-09-14 20100914170611.ge26...@gwolf.org
Yes, the naming clearly stems from when we were a flatter, simpler
project with all-or-nothing participation. But we now have Debian
developers which are not DDs, Debian maintainers which are not DM, and
will surely have Debian
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 01:04:32PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
Wholeheartly seconed, for all the longstanding website translators.
This isn't signed with a key in the keyring.
Kurt
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I second this proposal.
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Hi,
Le mardi 14 septembre 2010 10:53:46, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including
On ti, 2010-09-14 at 18:56 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
My own preference is [B] [A] [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
[A] or [B].
I'd prefer [A] == [B] [original GR proposal] [NOTA].
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This time with the key that's still in the keyring, only noticed after
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* Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org [2010-09-14 10:53:46 CEST]:
Hi,
Lucas Nussbaum a écrit , Le 14/09/2010 18:56:
While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
at least, that it will be communicated like that).
I see two different ways to avoid that:
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
I agree with the above, accepting as DDs contributors who do not
maintain packages, but your proposal is different: it establishes a new
class of project members, who differ by not having upload rights.
I suppose that the goal is to avoid disruptive
Christoph Berg m...@debian.org writes:
Re: Luca Bruno 2010-09-14 20100914120120.c0d3f45b.lu...@debian.org
I'd thus propose not to call them Debian Contributors (DC) now, and let
NM/DAM team pick an appropriate name when reforming the procedures.
The idea was discussed, and that's the name we
Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 06:56:01PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
My own preference is [B] [A] [original GR proposal]. But I'd like to
hear some other opinions before working on a draft amendment for either
[A] or [B].
Hi Lucas and everybody,
after seeing the torrent of seconds, I am
Stefano you seem to be 5 years too late with this GR, fjp's AM report
looks like he was accepted primarily for his work on documentation and
translations:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/02/msg00017.html
In addition, as cate pointed out, the constitution already allows
DAM/FD to
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
after seeing the torrent of seconds, I am still puzzled if this GR is a
progress or a regression: is the take home message that Debian should be
more open, or that some members must not have upload rights ? When a
member does not have upload rights, is
Dear Paul,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:25:09AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
Stefano you seem to be 5 years too late with this GR, fjp's AM report
looks like he was accepted primarily for his work on documentation and
translations:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/02/msg00017.html
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Kumar Appaiah
a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote:
The word Debian Developer seems to have become synonymous with
those who package or write software for Debian. Whether that was
intentional or unintentional is not known to me, but this aspect is
what several
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 05:53:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
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[ Disclaimer: I'm attending an academic conference this week and I'll be
at the Italian mini-DebConf in the week-end. That's why I'll be
sluggish in participating
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 04:04:24PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
* Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
opportunity for becoming Debian project members.
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