On 15/09/10 at 12:08 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Naming (raised by at least Luca and Lars [8,9])
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Ah, what a mess!
Until a few minutes before posting the GR proposal, the text contained a
s/Debian Members/non-uploading Debian Developers/ and before that
On ke, 2010-09-15 at 09:26 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
second-class
members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
and emphasize the
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net writes:
If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving
them a name, and emphasize the fact
I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those sets
of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who need
that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate vetting of
their ability to use that access appropriately, just as someone would
Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org writes:
The more important part is getting the project to acknowledge the
concept of a set of members/developers/whateveryounameit not having
upload rights by default and letting DAM/FD/theusualpeople just manage
that. The important part is opening our
Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 mat 06:29:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
after seeing the torrent of seconds, I am still puzzled if this GR is a
progress or a regression: is the take home message that Debian should be
more open, or that some members must
On 09:26 Wed 15 Sep , Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
second-class
members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
and emphasize the fact
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class
members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
and emphasize
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid
giving them a name, and
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
infrastructure
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
Debian Developers, albeit without upload access to the Debian archive.
*
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:13:12PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
I like that a lot more than the other wording, thus seconded.
Thanks for your appreciation, but wait! :-) There are no need of seconds
for this change (unless some of the previous seconders considers it
unfaithful with respect to the
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:20:54PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 04:04:24PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
* Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
opportunity for
On 15/09/10 at 10:22 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
I, using my FTPMaster hat, do care a lot that we do not get
$whateveritsname with upload rights that never ever had to show at least
the basic understanding of packaging work. Looking at all the errors
existing Developers do, even longstanding
On 15/09/10 at 21:00 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Attached you can find a tentative wording of a proposal which remove the
term Debian Contributors, pretty similar to the version I had before
posting (shame on me for changing that!), but maybe a bit better in that
it doesn't the horrible
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian
archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the
people in charge to difference of status.
snip
Would such a change be a happy end for everybody
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:40:56PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
So, you say that both old and newer DDs sometimes lack packaging skills.
This sounds like an acknowledgement of the failure of TS, and the NM
process in general, to make sure that DDs have the necessary skills?
Please, as
Hi,
Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org writes:
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The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including but not limited to:
On 14/09/10 at 18:56 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Hi,
While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
at least, that it will be communicated like that).
I see two different ways to avoid that:
My main problem with this text is that while it may fit to the current
realities, it makes no sense from a formalistic point of view, as large
parts of the text seem to imply there was no way for non-packagers yet
and there were no procedures for that.
* Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org
Re: Lucas Nussbaum 2010-09-15 20100915141740.ga21...@xanadu.blop.info
* Establish procedures to evaluate and accept contributors of
non-packaging work as Debian Developers.
Additionally, the Debian project acknowledges that the current practice of
providing all Debian Developers with
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:01:47PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian
archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the
people in charge to
Paul Wise wrote:
Stefano you seem to be 5 years too late with this GR, fjp's AM report
looks like he was accepted primarily for his work on documentation and
translations:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/02/msg00017.html
Not really. From my original advocation of Frans:
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
second-class members of
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:13:12PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
including
On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
Debian Developers, albeit
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those sets
of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who need
that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate vetting of
their ability to use that access
Romain Francoise rfranco...@debian.org writes:
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:
I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those
sets of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who
need that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:02:34PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea that
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