Re: [to all candidates] Accessible software in Debian

2013-03-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi Mario, On 18/03/13 at 12:37 +0100, Mario Lang wrote: Hi. To make a rather complicated and long story short: Accessibility of graphical user interfaces in Debian has taken a slight step backward with the GNOME 3 rewrite. Squeeze was more stable regarding this. While discussing this

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/03/13 at 19:41 -0400, anarcat wrote: On 2013-03-11, Moray Allan wrote: When to release: I would also note that we should continue to be flexible about -ignore tags where appropriate. In some cases leaving a package in the release with RC bugs is more useful to users than removing

Re: [all candidates] lack of women in Debian

2013-03-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 18/03/13 at 11:23 +0100, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: Hi, I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!): http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/ Note that I'm not asking for a way to recruit women (there are already efforts on that). I would like to know if you

Re: [to all candidates] Accessible software in Debian

2013-03-19 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-18 14:37, Mario Lang wrote: While discussing this topic on IRC with other Debian people I was kind of shocked to read that basically every feature can be dropped anytime, and since accessibility is for a very small user group, that user group suffering from big rewrites is normal

Re: [all candidates] how to choose Jessie init system

2013-03-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc. Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely) trollish, they all hint at a concrete problem:

Re: [all candidates] beyond tech: how do you deal with humans?

2013-03-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
anarcat anar...@debian.org writes: You all have an impressive technical curriculum. Your deeds in Debian speak for themselves. However, the role of a project leader is unusually non-technical. In fact, you will have to abandon significant technical tasks to tend to more administrative or

Re: to DPL candidates: How do you plan to represent Debian externally?

2013-03-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
Paul Tagliamonte paul...@debian.org writes: I'd ask the DPL candidates to speak a bit about how they intend to represent Debian externally -- both in terms out downstream outreach, as well as upstream (or even side-stream) relations. Like I expressed earlier, elsewhere, I believe that

Re: Debian's relationship with money and the economy

2013-03-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
Hello, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: The Debian ecosystem includes many economical actors, be it companies or individuals, but we tend to hide those aspects as if they didn't exist. Well, we have the debian-companies[1] list, we also have a partners page[2], and the

Re: [all candidates] vote time?

2013-03-19 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:17:41PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:39:17PM +0300, Moray Allan wrote: It appears to me that some DPLs^Wpeople may merely be asking questions that they find interesting and would like to see discussed. While it's nice to see these

Re: to DPL candidates: getting new people to Debian

2013-03-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gergely Nagy dijo [Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 01:32:32PM +0100]: I see people around me teach their children to use and control computers, to build things with them, even before they learn to write. They have their toys, they build stuff, sometimes they unknowingly write programs - before the age of

Re: [all candidates] lack of women in Debian

2013-03-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 07:44:32AM +0100]: I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks Francesca!): http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/ (...) This graph is a very interesting one. As some of my past actions in Debian have shown, I like data and statistics,

Re: [all candidates] vote time?

2013-03-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 19/03/13 at 19:28 +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: In fact, campaigning period has always been an occasion to discuss big issues, as you put it, and it would be sad to pass on the occasion. And personally, I consider that is a false direction in the campaigning period. Yes, but the real

to Moray: being Debconf chair and DPL?

2013-03-19 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi Moray, if you are ellected as DPL, will you stay Debconf chair, which is a delegation you got from the current DPL? How can you tell the project which decission you do as DPL and which as Debconf chair? In your platform you only say you might to less for Debconf while being DPL. Cheers,

Re: to Moray: being Debconf chair and DPL?

2013-03-19 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-03-19 22:34, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: if you are ellected as DPL, will you stay Debconf chair, which is a delegation you got from the current DPL? How can you tell the project which decission you do as DPL and which as Debconf chair? In your platform you only say you might to less for

Re: [all candidates] how to choose Jessie init system

2013-03-19 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 18/03/13 at 13:55 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc. Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been (entirely) trollish, they all hint at a

Re: [all candidates] vote time?

2013-03-19 Thread MJ Ray
Rhonda And personally, I consider that is a false direction in the campaigning period. Addressing big issues isn't something the DPL has more power for than any other DD-- [...] Sure they do - we've seen DPLs call things consensus when that's very unclear to me and invoke their power to Make

Re: [all candidates] lack of women in Debian

2013-03-19 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org [2013-03-19 07:44:32 CET]: But it's also about how we see our project. I would like Debian to be a very welcoming project, and I hate the fact that it's harder for some groups to get involved. Given that the context of this statement is lack of women in

[all candidates] Advertising testing and security support

2013-03-19 Thread Jérémy Bobbio
Hi! Lucas wrote in his plateform: For example, we have been providing a fairly good rolling release for almost 13 years with testing, but we totally fail at advertising it as something supported and usable by end users. Even if a dedicated team is supposed to care about security in

[all candidates] discussions in -devel

2013-03-19 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
Dear candidates, In the words of Lars [*]: We're not very good at dealing with situations where a few individuals are dominating the discussion by being loud, insistent, and unwilling to budge or to give any credence to opposing views. I don't know what to do about that, but we

Re: [all candidates] how to choose Jessie init system

2013-03-19 Thread Gergely Nagy
Gergely Nagy alger...@madhouse-project.org writes: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: Some of the longest -devel thread in recent years have been about Debian's (default) init system: SysV, SystemD, Upstart, OpenRC, etc. Despite folklore, I don't think those thread have been

Re: [all candidates] Return to the desert island (cont.)

2013-03-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39:29PM +0100, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: 3. One test I've been taught to use to reason about free software is the Desert Island test [2] which starts by: Imagine a castaway on a desert island with a solar-powered computer. Obviously, software that are

To all candidates: which way out of the project ?

2013-03-19 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi, I did not manage to formulate a better subject... the question is about what should be the usual way to end our formal membership in the Debian project. In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very exceptionally, are expelled). The consequence is that it is hard to evaluate how

Re: To all candidates: which way out of the project ?

2013-03-19 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org (20/03/2013): In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very exceptionally, are expelled). […] Or spotted as being MIA. This might help: http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/MIA Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: All candidates: Development and technical issues and challenges

2013-03-19 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Maybe we could discriminate on the package's priorities. For example, about a third of the 49 packages *really* blocking the release (not waiting for a transition) are from extra[2]. Only 5 bugs affect required, important or standard