Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Ian Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Ian Jackson writes (Amendment (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): For the avoidance of any doubt, I currently intend to not accept any further amendments. That means that the minimum discussion period will not be

Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Hi, Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes: Ian Jackson writes (Amendment (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): For the avoidance of any doubt, I currently intend to not accept any further amendments. That means that the minimum discussion period will

Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 02:34:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian Jackson writes (Amendment (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): For the avoidance of any doubt, I currently intend to not accept any further amendments. That means that the minimum discussion period

Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 02:34:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: That was at `Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:59:16 +0100'. $ date -d 'Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:59:16 +0100 +14 days' Sun Nov

Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 10:59:24PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 02:34:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: That was at `Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:59:16 +0100'.

Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 10:59:24PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 02:34:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: That was at `Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:59:16 +0100'.

Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-11-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: Calling for the vote (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)): On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 10:59:24PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: The last (and only) formal amendment I accepted was my own, on Sunday the 19th. It looks like you're right. Great,

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-02 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: Is it? I thought part of the problem is that there are packages whose upstream supports (or at least enables) compiling with / without integration to functionality provided by systemd, and which are provided in Debian only as compiled with that

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-02 Thread Josh Triplett
[I agree wholeheartedly with Russ's points regarding systemd and logind. One tangential response to a different point:] Russ Allbery wrote: There are a ton, but because Debian architectures encode choice of kernel, they're represented in the archive as packages that are not available for

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-02 Thread The Wanderer
(Responding quickly to only the part I think I can address well on short notice, without needing to spend a long time thinking it over.) On 11/02/2014 at 07:58 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: systemd-shim 8.2 and 7.1 do not list a dependency on systemd, or

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-02 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: On 11/02/2014 at 07:58 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: That's because the point of systemd-shim is to provide the services that logind requires without running systemd as PID 1, so that packages can then depend on logind without requiring systemd be PID 1.

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-11-02 Thread Russ Allbery
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes: Russ Allbery wrote: There are a ton, but because Debian architectures encode choice of kernel, they're represented in the archive as packages that are not available for kFreeBSD or Hurd, or only available for kFreeBSD, or only available for Hurd.