Kurt Roeckx dijo [Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:38:24PM +0200]:
> The option has been committed to the website, it should appear soon.
Thanks, Kurt.
The vote is now in progress, and it does include this option. I just
felt needed to state that I didn't include it in my call for vote
because, early
Am So., 4. Apr. 2021 um 00:51 Uhr schrieb Simon McVittie :
>
> On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 at 21:46:08 +0200, someone claiming to be Enrico Zini
> wrote:
> > We explicitly refuse to acknowledge irrelevant political issues
>
> I was surprised to read this apparently coming from Enrico, particularly
>
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> It seems highly likely that the message to which I'm replying was not
> sent or authorized by Enrico, and that its sender is trying to mislead
> Debian members by impersonating a prominent and respected developer.
IRC revealed that
Hi,
This is the first call for votes on the DPL election of 2021.
Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at
Hi,
This is the first call for votes on the General Resolution about
a statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board.
Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on a
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:14:31AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:43:38PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Move choice 7 to 8 and put it seven.
> >
> > [ ] Choice 7: Rejecting and denouncing a witch-hunt against RMS.
> >
> > (maybe Craig has a better idea)
>
>
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:43:38PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Move choice 7 to 8 and put it seven.
>
> [ ] Choice 7: Rejecting and denouncing a witch-hunt against RMS.
>
> (maybe Craig has a better idea)
Thanks, looks goodexcept for two problems:
1. you've used the wrong article
On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 at 21:46:08 +0200, someone claiming to be Enrico Zini wrote:
> We explicitly refuse to acknowledge irrelevant political issues
I was surprised to read this apparently coming from Enrico, particularly
since it doesn't seem consistent with what Enrico has said in other
threads
On Sat, 03 Apr 2021 21:46:08 +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> Hello,
Hm?
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Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on a regarding Richard Stallman's
readmission to the FSF board
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian
Hi,
Thank you to Enrico Zini for another unifying proposal.
> Title: Reaffirm the values of the majority
>
> == CHOICE TEXT BELOW ==
> Debian commits to give priority, resources, and energy, to those who
> actually get the work done in the distribution.
>
> We explicitly
Here is a draft ballot for the DPL election:
Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at
Hello,
I think the ballot is missing an option to capture the energy that I've
perceived on -vote in the last few days.
Title: Reaffirm the values of the majority
== CHOICE TEXT BELOW ==
Debian commits to give priority, resources, and energy, to those who
actually get
Am 03.04.21 um 20:16 schrieb Kurt Roeckx:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:12:50PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
Short and simple:
TEXT OF OPTION 5
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
The option has been committed to the website, it should appear
soon.
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:12:50PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > Short and simple:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> Richard
> > Stallman,
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board
of the
> Free
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:15:22PM +0200, Micha Lenk wrote:
> My previous attempt yielded an invalid signature for me, so, trying again with
> a different mailer...
This one worked.
Kurt
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:07:54PM +0200, Micha Lenk wrote:
> Am 03.04.21 um 01:56 schrieb Craig Sanders:
> > Short and simple:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt
> > against Richard Stallman, the Free Software
HI,
PLEASE IGNORE MY PREVIOUS MESSAGE
Sorry, I think I copied and pasted the wrong text. This is the option I
would like to propose. It should follow Holger's suggestion:
> Debian refuses to participate in the discussion of Richard Stallman,
> the Free Software Foundation, and the members of
Hi,
With people from a wide spectrum in Debian seemingly supporting what is
known as the "neutral option", I would like to propose it is well:
> TEXT OF "NEUTRAL" OPTION
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 6:15 PM Holger Levsen wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and
Quoting Adam Borowski (2021-04-03 18:21:54)
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the
My previous attempt yielded an invalid signature for me, so, trying again with
a different mailer...
Am 03.04.21 um 01:56 schrieb Craig Sanders:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt
> against Richard
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Am 03.04.21 um 01:56 schrieb Craig Sanders:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt
> against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the
> members of
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 06:21:54PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman, the Free Software
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free Software Foundation.
>
>
Le samedi 03 avril 2021 à 17:38:17+0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > Short and simple:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> >
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free
Le samedi 03 avril 2021 à 15:41:43+0200, Milan Zamazal a écrit :
> > "SM" == Steve McIntyre writes:
>
> SM> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:26:56PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
> >> On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >>> Thanks for arguing for my
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 03:53:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:20:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman, the Free Software
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation,
Quoting Craig Sanders (2021-04-03 01:56:45)
>> Short and simple:
>>
>> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>>
>>
>> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
>> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
>> Free Software
Quoting Craig Sanders (2021-04-03 01:56:45)
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free Software Foundation.
>
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free Software Foundation.
seconded
Best
Norbert
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation,
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:48:47AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 12:34 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> >
> > The discussion period is over, no new options will be added.
>
> That does not seem right. The submission arrived during the discussion
> period and was only
> "SM" == Steve McIntyre writes:
SM> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:26:56PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>> On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>>> Thanks for arguing for my point: Communism was a beautiful
>>> theoretical
>>> idea which was
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:20:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free Software Foundation.
>
>
Hi,
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 12:34 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>
> The discussion period is over, no new options will be added.
That does not seem right. The submission arrived during the discussion
period and was only formally deficient, yes?
Since the discussion period was already shortened and we
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:21:52PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > This has been discussed before. It did not reset the minimum discussion
> > time.
>
> oh wow, a discussion. and a discussion has the power to change debian's
>
Hi Adam,
Am 03.04.21 um 14:31 schrieb Adam Borowski:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:59:53PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the
earliest a vote can be called with a
Hi Craig,
Am 03.04.21 um 14:21 schrieb Craig Sanders:
This has been discussed before. It did not reset the minimum discussion
time.
oh wow, a discussion. and a discussion has the power to change debian's
constitution?
Debian's constitution wasn't changed. Please calm down and read up in
the
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:59:53PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the
> > earliest a vote can be called with a shortened 1 week discussion period is
> > April
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> This has been discussed before. It did not reset the minimum discussion
> time.
oh wow, a discussion. and a discussion has the power to change debian's
constitution?
in any case: it will be wonderful to see Debian commit Libel
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:56:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:38:23PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > > > Short and simple:
> > > >
> >
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:32:41PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>On Saturday, 3 April 2021 11:19:38 AM AEDT Craig Sanders wrote:
>> The witch hunt is not within debian, debian's just being dragged into the
>> angry mob.
>
>Yes to everything you've said, Craig. And the attack on Debian has been
> "Timo" == Timo Röhling writes:
Timo> * Mathias Behrle [2021-04-03 10:22]:
>> [ ] Further discussion [ ] Do nothing, leave the question
>> unresolved [ ] None of the above
Timo> The way I see it, all these have the same consequence for a
Timo> vote (that is, none of
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:59:53PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:56:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > A vote has been called.
>
> Nope, can't have been.
>
> The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the
> earliest a vote can be called
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:08:50PM +0200, Micha Lenk wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Am 03.04.21 um 10:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> > Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it.
>
> Do you (or anybody actually) have a idea how to deal best with the old RMS
> GR if this one is
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:26:56PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> Thanks for arguing for my point: Communism was a beautiful theoretical
>> idea which was implemented by humans and therefore was a miserable
>> fuckup in the
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:56:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> A vote has been called.
Nope, can't have been.
The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the
earliest a vote can be called with a shortened 1 week discussion period is
April 7th.
Any CFV before then is
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:38:23PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > > Short and simple:
> > >
> > > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> > >
> > >
> > > Debian refuses to
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:14:53AM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman, the Free Software
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:25:13AM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it.
why not do that yourself?
craig
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > Short and simple:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman,
* Mathias Behrle [2021-04-03 10:22]:
[ ] Further discussion
[ ] Do nothing, leave the question unresolved
[ ] None of the above
The way I see it, all these have the same consequence for a vote (that
is, none of the other options is acceptable). The Constitution will
always permit another vote
Quoting Micha Lenk (2021-04-03 13:08:50)
> Am 03.04.21 um 10:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
> > Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor
> > it.
>
> Do you (or anybody actually) have a idea how to deal best with the old
> RMS GR if this one is formally accepted?
If this one
Hi Craig, hi Zlatan,
Am 03.04.21 um 10:18 schrieb Zlatan Todoric:
On 4/3/21 01:52, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote:
Yes, lets use that I am not native English speaker and drown the
conversation with some pointless pedantic approaches now
Hi Adrian,
Am 03.04.21 um 10:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk:
Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it.
Do you (or anybody actually) have a idea how to deal best with the old
RMS GR if this one is formally accepted?
Regards,
Micha
Mathias Behrle writes:
> * Sam Hartman: " Re: What does FD Mean" (Fri, 02 Apr 2021 20:53:05 -0400):
>
>> > "Mathias" == Mathias Behrle writes:
>>
>> >> But for a two option situation, option A do the thing and option
>> >> B FD, FD probably does map to no fairly well.
>>
>>
> "DS" == Dmitry Smirnov writes:
DS> So many man-hours were lost on this GR already in the midst of
DS> the pre-release freeze, just to name one problem...
DS> We are on a slippery slope of turning Debian into political
DS> project.
One good thing about this GR is that it
Quoting Holger Levsen (2021-04-03 11:14:53)
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher total
> popcon than DDs, but aren't DD because didn't bother to jump through all the
> several hoops to become a DD.
>
> If you do not want DMs, make a proposal
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free Software Foundation.
>
> With the use cases of GRs coming to my mind (I certainly forgot some) I would
> consider as useful to have the following standard options on each ballot:
>
> [... other options ... ]
>
> [ ] Further discussion
> [ ] Do nothing, leave the question unresolved
> [ ] None of the above
>
>
>
* Russ Allbery: " Re: Call for votes on «Statement regarding Richard Stallman's
readmission to the FSF board»" (Fri, 02 Apr 2021 16:49:21 -0700):
> Mathias Behrle writes:
>
> > I consider the really great value of current option E that I can indeed
> > vote explicitely that nothing should be
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > Short and simple:
> >
> > TEXT OF OPTION 5
> >
> >
> > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against
> > Richard
> >
* Sam Hartman: " Re: What does FD Mean" (Fri, 02 Apr 2021 20:53:05 -0400):
> > "Mathias" == Mathias Behrle writes:
>
> >> But for a two option situation, option A do the thing and option
> >> B FD, FD probably does map to no fairly well.
>
> Mathias> I would really like to
On 4/3/21 03:26, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
On Friday, 2 April 2021 11:09:42 PM AEDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
Thanks for arguing for my point: Communism was a beautiful theoretical
idea which was implemented by humans and therefore was a miserable
fuckup in the end.
I still think the concept is
On 4/3/21 00:44, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> I sincerely think debian-vote should be read-only for non-DDs
because this person is not a DD (afaict) and is just polluting our
list with such non-sense.
There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher
total popcon than DDs, but
On 4/3/21 01:52, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote:
Yes, lets use that I am not native English speaker and drown the
conversation with some pointless pedantic approaches now and bunch of words.
Oh, FFS! I was giving you a face-saving excuse
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> Short and simple:
>
> TEXT OF OPTION 5
>
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard
> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the
> Free
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