Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Russ Allbery
"Barak A. Pearlmutter" writes: > Let's say a cohort of voters prefers option APRICOT to option BANANA, > but would like neither (FD) even better. However they are well aware > that there's no way FD will win. > It is possible that if they vote their true preference, > FD > APRICOT > BANANA >

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-04-05 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
People are free to express their opinion. That does not mean the Debian Project is obligated to provide a platform for those opinions on the debian-vote mailing list, which exists to facilitate discussions among voting members of the Debian Project regarding matters that will be voted on.

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-04-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 03:03:48PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 16:37:15-0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 03:09:10PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 12:18 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > > > People without voting

Re: re. RMS

2021-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
Someone privately made me realize that what I wrote is probably not nice to read for autistic people. It was not my intention to hurt anyone, and I have nothing against autistic people, who in some cases, are capable of being leaders. On 4/5/21 4:12 PM, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Whether RMS

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 06:35:52AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: >... > would it be better for a voting system to > quadruple-count, or otherwise strengthen, options voters rank in the > middle—thereby recognizing that a compromise between two or more sides > is always a prerequisite for peace?

Re: re. RMS

2021-04-05 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le lundi 05 avril 2021 à 16:04:58+0200, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 4/5/21 3:29 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting > > that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he > > slept in his office at MIT (my

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 04:26:25PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > For people living in a country like Germany where the shares of > representation in parliament are based on the nationwide vote, The Bundestagswahl is a weird combination of direct vote and proportional vote with a minority blocking

Re: re. RMS

2021-04-05 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 4/5/21 3:29 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting > that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he > slept in his office at MIT (my student days). > > Why is it that nobody ever gives him any leeway for that?

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 02:34:28PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le lundi 05 avril 2021 à 14:07:13+0200, Marc Haber a écrit : > > On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:15:25PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > > Making a system more complicated to try and address a specific > > > deficiency

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 4:33 AM Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > Moving FD around in the > ordering is an example of this, as is a quorum boycott. When a center option is likely to fail our majority requirement [1] should I rank preferable extreme choices above FD even if I am strictly

re. RMS

2021-04-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Given that Friday was Autism Awareness Day, it might be worth noting that RMS is clearly "on the spectrum" - and well known since the days he slept in his office at MIT (my student days). Why is it that nobody ever gives him any leeway for that? Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-04-05 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 16:37:15-0700, Steve Langasek a écrit : > On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 03:09:10PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 12:18 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > > > People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a > > > certain agenda on

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-04-05 Thread charlie derr
On 4/4/21 7:37 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > Non-voting posters to debian-vote are almost exclusively outside agitators > and there's no reason subscribing to debian-vote should mean receiving their > bullshit in our mailboxes. i don't disagree with any of the above, but in order to try to lend a

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le lundi 05 avril 2021 à 14:07:13+0200, Marc Haber a écrit : > On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:15:25PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > Making a system more complicated to try and address a specific > > deficiency rarely reduces its attack surface. In this case, our voting > > system involves

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:15:25PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > Making a system more complicated to try and address a specific > deficiency rarely reduces its attack surface. In this case, our voting > system involves multiple levels (quorum, majority, ranking resolution) > each with its

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 11:57, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 11:46:23AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > A possible solution is to drop the majority requirement > > and have a quorum on the number of people that vote ... > > A quorum on the number of people who vote means that a vote

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
What you say is all correct, although I suppose people might be able to get at least a rough poll of voter preferences if they actually care. Assuming people don't know enough details about others' preferences to vote strategically is basically security by obscurity so I wouldn't want to rely upon

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 11:46:23AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >... > A possible solution is to drop the majority requirement > and have a quorum on the number of people that vote >... A quorum on the number of people who vote means that a vote against the proposal counts for the quorum. Assuming

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 12:47:58AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >... > But the reason for yes/no is the majority requirement. In this GR > all options have a majority ratio of 1. This means more people > need to put the option above of FD than people who put the option > below FD, or the option gets

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 09:45:15AM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > Let's say a cohort of voters prefers option APRICOT to option BANANA, > but would like neither (FD) even better. However they are well aware > that there's no way FD will win. > > It is possible that if they vote their

Re: Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-05 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
Kurt Roeckx writes: > There are 2 ways the FD option has an effect on the result. > The first option is the quorum requirement. For a GR the quorum is > 3*Q, which is around 47 for this vote. 3*Q people need to put the > option above FD to meet the quorum, or the option is dropped. > But the

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes

2021-04-05 Thread jc
Hello Debian community, I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that... For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe with "clumsiness" about some subject... It is a kind of freedom to

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes

2021-04-05 Thread jc
Hello Debian community, I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that... For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe with "clumsiness" about some subject...  It is a kind of freedom to