Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
Just dropping my 2cents: On Sat, 6 Nov 2021, 12:09 am Felix Lechner, wrote: > On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > I am pretty sure that was a 100% calculated move > > to go directly to this. > > It was impromptu. The mail was intentional only in the sense that I > hoped

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 2:45 PM Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > I am pretty sure that was a 100% calculated move > to go directly to this. It was impromptu. The mail was intentional only in the sense that I hoped to find a topic to unite people. (Who likes slavery, anway?) Let's lose the fear of

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 16308 March 1977, Jonathan Carter wrote: I would like to rename the FTP Masters team—ideally via a General Resolution. Ideally? Its the worst possible way to go about. I'm at a loss to actually find polite words to describe how off it is, That might be slightly harsh, Felix only became a

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 03:28:07PM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: >On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 2:14 PM Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> Debian is a very risk averse and slow to change project. > >We need more trust. The group has to rise—as a moral force, but >gently—over the arbitrary and capricious nature

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, > This is turning, yet again, into a "Germans debate German language > issues" thread. Please don't worry. Having started it, I will lead us out again. > it's reasonable for Debian to judge "master of a slave" and > "master of the package archive" completely differently. Yes, it's

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! On 05.11.21 15:23, Gard Spreemann wrote:> Felix Lechner writes: I'm a native German speaker and "Führer" is widely and completely uncontroversially used in German in lots of contexts That is, as you noted, somewhat true for the word "master" as well, but your portrayal of a wide and

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Marc Haber
On Fri, Nov 05, 2021 at 06:35:43AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > > I'm a native German speaker and "Führer" is widely and > > completely uncontroversially used in German in lots of contexts > > That is, as you noted, somewhat true for the word "master" as well, > but your portrayal of a wide and

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Gard Spreemann
Felix Lechner writes: >> I'm a native German speaker and "Führer" is widely and >> completely uncontroversially used in German in lots of contexts > > That is, as you noted, somewhat true for the word "master" as well, > but your portrayal of a wide and unequivocal acceptance of the word >

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, > you mean, people in Debian die? I'm speechless and pretty unimpressed. Martial law is the ad-hoc implementation of simple laws to control a population. [1] In modern democracies, it only happens to stop widespread unlawful behavior during public unrest. While effective, it is not healthy

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Nov 04, 2021 at 03:28:07PM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > [...] We effectively live > under martial law you mean, people in Debian die? I'm speechless and pretty unimpressed. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀

Re: Renaming the FTP Masters

2021-11-05 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Joerg On 2021/11/04 23:14, Joerg Jaspert wrote: I would like to rename the FTP Masters team—ideally via a General Resolution. Ideally? Its the worst possible way to go about. I'm at a loss to actually find polite words to describe how off it is, That might be slightly harsh, Felix only