; 3.0
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was _supposed_ to be simple
Manoj it only took 2 weeks to write
moshez Manoj: It requires a *diagram* to explain what each part does.
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are in the
keyring, AND
What is K?
1. Go to http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
2. Search for K is.
And http://www.debian.org/vote/2005/vote_001 where the value of K for
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there was
consensus, with the exception of the thing currently being
dismissed.
It's a fairly conventional circular argument; most people on -legal
have stopped paying any attention.
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for the bottom of the pile...
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the false dilemma posited by the
US government to excuse their efforts to control the market)
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like that, is one created and trumpeted by the
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On Sun, Mar 06, 2005 at 12:44:44AM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
Am Samstag, den 05.03.2005, 23:11 + schrieb Andrew Suffield:
On Sat, Mar 05, 2005 at 03:30:14PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
Indeed, I would be reluctant to vote for any candiate who would commit
to twenty-four
in the
questions and just blindly answered them.
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are the space robots. We are here to protect you from the terrible
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the process works, I would like to take this
opportunity to nominate 14 kilos of mature cheddar cheese, the entire
population of Swaziland, and a dead camel, as a single candidate for
Debian Project Leader.
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On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 10:49:05AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 02:04:48AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote:
Truly, there is no justice.
Of course not, don't be silly. Justice is an excuse used by people
seeking
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 11:48:50AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I didn't even put them in that order, why on earth would anybody think
that one follows from the other? That's a semicolon, not a colon.
So there is no connection between
On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 12:34:34PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you have an argument for either?
Points that stand unchallenged do not require arguments. To do so
would be a waste of valuable time. Figure it out for yourself, anyway
GRs that don't
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 08:51:14PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:16:04PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
You cannot write a GR to order somebody to do something. That's
fundamental to the project structure, and written into the
constitution. Get used to the idea
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 09:48:24PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [040728 20:25]:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 07:00:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
===
The Debian project hereby
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On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 11:05:19PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
Andrew Suffield, 2004-07-28 22:20:09 +0200 :
None of these other things worked, so this one must? That's not
actually rational...
Ever heard of the Shadoks? [1] They had this saying: Keep on trying,
and you'll eventually
to a mailing list as normal prose.
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is when the constitution says that we have no other choice
(like editing the blasted foundation documents).
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to force a group into activity.
I think you need to modify the constitution itself to do that.
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this clause is that it's a complete no-op. It's
also a vote for more money.
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On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:58:45PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:13, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:57:08AM +0200, David N. Welton wrote:
I don't know what it is about your style of
comunication, but it reminds me more of debate
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 02:35:59PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 07:45:53PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
I find it to be more like fishing for consensus, by trying as many
possibilities as possible (hence buckshot). It really could have
been better refined
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:15:22PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:42:04AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
That's just so totally American.
Now there's the ad hominem attack you keep referring to.
No, that would be You are American, therefore your argument is wrong
to the discussion, and who is simply deciding Is
this post on my side? If yes, AOL, if no, flame.
It is interesting that this does not occur on most lists. I think we
have a troll infestation.
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On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 11:58:31AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Andrew Suffield:
The discussion about fonts, closed and semi-closed data formats, and
data formats which are inherently lossy and for which we lack the
lossless source files has not really started yet. It will take months
pairwise preferences; everything else is
either equivalent to this, or will backfire)
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involved does not
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in general. I think that
our users are best served by having free software, and releasing with
anything less is doing them a major disservice, especially if we foist
non-free software on them for two or three years until the next
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that
was not supposed to be removed just a while ago.
Only if you take it as a given that the old release policy was
correct. Otherwise it's just that heads have been forcibly removed
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. There is no reason to think that it would take a long time
to evict all the offending material - it's trivial in most cases.
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not doing that, but rather providing a concise
analysis of the options available for people who haven't been
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in my first mail, but anyway: this is based
on the assumption that our users are best served by non-free
software. See the thread parent for a more detailed rebuttal.
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stuff just isn't that hard; it wouldn't take
long.
Anyway, a non-free release is useless to many people and a disservice
to our users; ignoring crippling issues like this, just to get a
release out sooner, does not sound like a good idea to me.
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; this is dumb.
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With this in mind, the contradiction inherant in this resolution can
only be interpreted as equivalent to The DFSG is hereby rendered
impotent for all practical purposes; anything can be included in main
if we feel like it.
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On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
For our users, we promise to do regular releases; as a guideline, a
major release of the distribution should happen about once a year.
We vote for more money
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On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 03:47:46AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 03:57:19PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
I believe Anthony Towns has said that he now believes his earlier release
policy to be in error.
No. It was an error to try to set the release policy myself
On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 09:38:12PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
On Wed, May 05, 2004 at 01:06:39PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
I propose the following amendment, replacing the entire text of the
resolution:
The Debian project resolves that it will not compromise on freedom
didn't like with anything that reduces to
Oh, they didn't really *mean* that rather speaks for itself.
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is what is meant, and that Debian does not cut corners
in order to release sooner.
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is what is meant, and that Debian does not cut corners
in order to release sooner.
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with that logo, and I have more important things to
do. Somebody who cares about it should chase it up and get it fixed.
I'm not really convinced that the official logo has a good excuse
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to be absent or apathetic. If that were the case then there's a great
deal of dead weight, and it would indeed be reasonable to pass the
change without them.
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think.
We had that vote too (disambiguation of 4.1.5), and decided differently.
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to be absent or apathetic. If that were the case then there's a great
deal of dead weight, and it would indeed be reasonable to pass the
change without them.
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think.
We had that vote too (disambiguation of 4.1.5), and decided differently.
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to remember what it was.
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currently says, this is pretty clearly what it *does* say, if
you sit and think about it.
That said, I can still invoke the typographical corrections rule if
anybody should come up with a particularly convincing one.
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to reach an agreement on the Addendum text.
I don't think that several pages of mental diffs are conductive to
understanding, so pure conservatism doesn't sound like a good
justification for doing it.
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who produce free artwork. You're assuming that
they don't exist or matter without even thinking about it.
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currently says, this is pretty clearly what it *does* say, if
you sit and think about it.
That said, I can still invoke the typographical corrections rule if
anybody should come up with a particularly convincing one.
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to reach an agreement on the Addendum text.
I don't think that several pages of mental diffs are conductive to
understanding, so pure conservatism doesn't sound like a good
justification for doing it.
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who produce free artwork. You're assuming that
they don't exist or matter without even thinking about it.
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allow Suggests: on non-free
packages.
It's got more or less nothing to do with non-free. We only allow
Suggests on packages not in main.
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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:40:49PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
Andrew Suffield wrote:
hardware manufacturers (in the last instance) only. Do you think that
they produce everything built in their devices?
Do you really think that hardware manufacturers don't decide what
allow Suggests: on non-free
packages.
It's got more or less nothing to do with non-free. We only allow
Suggests on packages not in main.
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On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:40:49PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
Andrew Suffield wrote:
hardware manufacturers (in the last instance) only. Do you think that
they produce everything built in their devices?
Do you really think that hardware manufacturers don't decide what
On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:42:16PM +, Stephen Stafford wrote:
Given that the DPL is, in many ways, the
representative of Debian to the world
Is that *really* true, and should it be?
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On Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 11:42:16PM +, Stephen Stafford wrote:
Given that the DPL is, in many ways, the
representative of Debian to the world
Is that *really* true, and should it be?
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uses, beeing 200% more expensive?
Ah, the old argument that says free software can never possibly work
or compete with commercial software.
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On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:39:50PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:48:13PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
The alternative is that there is nothing interesting here. It's not a
very interesting alternative. Occam's razor says we go with it until
we have a reason to do
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:06:50PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
You have an alternate theory explaining the low incidence of
women in male dominated
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 09:05:27AM +, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Andrew Suffield]
Psychology and sociology are fuzzy sciences for the most part,
where very little is proven. That does not mean that the standards
for proof should be lowered, it means that their conclusions should
don't think it has any real effect, either; I find both
possibilities to be unlikely to the point of absurdity]
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On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:39:50PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:48:13PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
The alternative is that there is nothing interesting here. It's not a
very interesting alternative. Occam's razor says we go with it until
we have a reason to do
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 06:26:44PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:58:03 +, Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:16:43PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:06:50PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
You have an alternate theory explaining the low incidence of
women in male dominated
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 09:05:27AM +, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Andrew Suffield]
Psychology and sociology are fuzzy sciences for the most part,
where very little is proven. That does not mean that the standards
for proof should be lowered, it means that their conclusions should
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 11:22:06AM +, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Andrew Suffield]
We can't be sure whether this orange-haired person likes to eat
babies or not. He probably does, lock him up.
Not that a baby-eating example isn't a bit loaded ... but ok, I'll run
with it:
Many orange
don't think it has any real effect, either; I find both
possibilities to be unlikely to the point of absurdity]
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On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:37:43AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:07:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:04:15AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x28.html#AEN41
Hey, I
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On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:16:43PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
You have an alternate theory explaining the low incidence of
women in male dominated
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:08:14PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:58:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
The plural of anecdote is not data.
True, but then what would you suggest as an alternative means of
gathering data? Should we stick the users in a set of test
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:28:49PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:10:45PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
There is a massive difference between working assumption and
proven.
To use plausible arguments in place of proofs, and henceforth to
refer to these arguments
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:37:43AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:07:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 10:04:15AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/x28.html#AEN41
Hey, I
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On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:16:43PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:35:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:21:08AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
You have an alternate theory explaining the low incidence of
women in male dominated
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:08:14PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:58:03PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
The plural of anecdote is not data.
True, but then what would you suggest as an alternative means of
gathering data? Should we stick the users in a set of test
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:02:26PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:54:05PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
Absence of evidence is not justification for inventing evidence. If
you can't prove something, that doesn't mean you should lower the
standards for proof, it means
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 04:28:49PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:10:45PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:
There is a massive difference between working assumption and
proven.
To use plausible arguments in place of proofs, and henceforth to
refer to these arguments
normally ground in logic
smacks of denial.
Hey, I remember that incident, and the author of the HOWTO has blown
it out of all proportion. Try talking to the people involved.
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normally ground in logic
smacks of denial.
Hey, I remember that incident, and the author of the HOWTO has blown
it out of all proportion. Try talking to the people involved.
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disagree with them. But I can't
imagine any even theoretically possible scenarios where this would
change their opinion, so there's no point wasting the effort.
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that they are not women.
dark hysterical is actually an interesting word, it basically
means having a womb. Psychologists once thought it was something
women did naturally.
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