Re: Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

-To intentional or accidental in the original mail? So far as I can remember, replying has always worked before. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

to interpret the facts correctly, then don't empower him to make the decision. Even dropping the supermajority requirements altogether (Ian's option A) would be better. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

of a delegate decision, then, by your logic, it is neither of those. (Your logic here refers to your claim that a GR proposal does not involve the supersession of a foundation document unless the proposal specifically says so.) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti

Coming up with a new Oracle (was: Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR)

- and to the initial paragraphs of this email. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

reasonable. (And also whether they are useful or detrimental, if you do consider the characterisation reasonable.) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

the simplest way is to just start making GR proposals for a new vote. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

. Do you agree with that corollary? If not, why not? -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: gr_lenny vs gr_socialcontract

consider it a bad, but not quite bad enough, compromise). Making people who disagree with you look stupid and immoral is not politics, it's propaganda. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

proposal that calls the SC a contract, even if the sense of the proposal is something I support. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: I hereby resign as secretary

due to the recent events, then I will resign. Fortunately, it seems that it won't be necessary. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

:) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 01:59:27PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho antti-juh...@kaijanaho.fi writes: Doesn't it occur to you that there might be a reason why the Secretary cannot be removed by GR or by the Leader's whim? Actually, the Secretary *can* be removed

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

exposed certain Constitutional flaws I would like to have corrected. The time for fixing them is not now, however.) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

be one more reason for me to reconsider my membership in this project. [*] Blatant would require, in my eyes, that there is no reasonable interpretation of the Secretary's actions that would render them constitutional. So far, I haven't noticed anything like that. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho

Re: The Unofficial (and Very Simple) Lenny GR: call for votes

as set by the release team - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Why is there no Further Discussion option? -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

a 3:1 supermajority. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

8.1 Powers). -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: First call for votes for the Lenny release GR

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 08:55:31PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:03:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Unless I'm mistaken this shouldn't be [3:1] as it's specifically allowed by the § about delegates in the constitution. Delegates shall take decision

Re: Bundled votes and the secretary

judgment that the Secretary's job requires, and I believe it would be a grave loss if he were to step down. It would be a shame if he were to be replaced by someone who counts avoiding conflict as a major part of the job. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi

Re: First call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

which is which. Agreed. I am voting FD, unless this is clarified. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

the actual decision as an addendum to the original document (like the US does with its constitutional amendments). A later vote could then decide to strike that addendum and incorporate it in the document as a change in wording, but that's just cosmetics. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

with the Constitution, and it is also the Project Secretary's duty to refuse to conduct a vote he believes to be contrary to the Constitution. (I do not have an opinion on the actual case at hand. The above are general procedural comments.) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti

Re: electing multiple people

On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 09:29:22AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: So, scrapping that - how does the election of multiple candidates in the SPI board election work? (weasel?) It has the same weakness (this was discussed recently in a SPI list). -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http

Re: electing multiple people

://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/06/msg00318.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/06/msg00261.html Let's not invent our own bad voting systems. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani

Re: electing multiple people

(it might), but it does suffer from the same problem of nonproportionality. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä, Finland http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

Procedure. The quorum is the same as for a General Resolution (4.2) and the default option is None Of The Above. 8. The Project Leader serves for one year from their election. = Seconded. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

is indistinguishable from technology (T.P) * * PGP public key available @ http://www.iki.fi/killer * -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal, updated

in Debian elections. Debian Maintainers Proposal Seconds, comments or amendments appreciated. Cheers, aj -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Questions Regarding Delegates

On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:55:52PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Probably. But what is the purpose of not being able to delegate to the DPL then? I doubt it was added just to make sure that people understand that delegation means sharing power with someone else. There are mandatory delegations

Re: Questions Regarding Delegates

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:43:34AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: So it was quite logical to forbid the sharing of DPL hat and DAM hat. As far as I can tell, it is not forbidden. A DAM can run for DPL and still retain the DAM hat if elected. Again, this makes sense, as the fact that the DAM is

Re: Vote for the Debian Project Leader Election 2005

or fake, you can't tell) choices. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Debian developer http://kaijanaho.info/antti-juhani/blog/en/debian signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Vote for the Debian Project Leader Election 2005

the constitution. Sure, and that is a good argument for this kind of secrecy. However, the reason I gave is the reason secret ballots are a requirement in democratic government. (I include in vote buying the nastier practices of blackmail and duress.) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Debian developer

Re: DPL nomination

: Mikään ei takaa sitä, että allekirjoitus todella kuuluu haltijalleen. Ensisijaisen avaimen sormenjälki: 0C84 B078 CE31 6C2D 15E1 F1FB EC79 2FF2 5D58 893B is just, what, a diversion? -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Debian developer http://kaijanaho.info/antti-juhani/blog/en/debian

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:22:12 +0200, Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On mer, 2004-07-14 at 04:39 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: I wonder, did the proposer and the seconders read Constitution 2.1:1. (Nothing in this constitution imposes an obligation on anyone to do work

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

. If that's the intent, why not be open about it? I hope nobody considers this seriously unless there are viable candidates to replace the current ftpmasters. I can tell from experience: that job is not for the faint of heart. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Debian developer http://kaijanaho.info/antti

Re: -= PROPOSAL =- Release sarge with amd64

an obligation on anyone to do work for the Project. A person who does not want to do a task which has been delegated or assigned to them does not need to do it. However, they must not actively work against these rules and decisions properly made under them.) -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Debian

Re: The constitution and the social contract

On 20001031T142907+0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: C. The Social Contract [...] Should we also add the DFSG here ? DFSG is a part of the Social Contract. -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%%

Re: Moving contrib and non-free of master.debian.org

| grep-dctrl -n -F Status -s Package 'install ok installed' -- %%% Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://www.iki.fi/gaia/ %%% ... memory leaks are quite acceptable in many applications ... (Bjarne Stroustrup, The Design and Evolution of C++, page 220)