Re: non-free?

2014-03-25 Thread Stephen Gran
. Let's not make the .deb world look like that. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org

Re: [Proposal] GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-29 Thread Stephen Gran
on a vote, and they may even suggest a GR. This GR is premature. Seconded. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org

Re: [Call for seconds] GR: diversity statement for the Debian Project

2012-05-08 Thread Stephen Gran
, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: Bits from the release team and request for discussion

2009-08-11 Thread Stephen Gran
as heavyweight as a GR? This looks like a doodle poll that accidentally got ideas of grandeur and thought it was helping Debian. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Firmware

2009-05-01 Thread Stephen Gran
way or another, but if we're going to have a 'discussion' every release, I'd rather see it at the beginning of the release cycle than at the end. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: What will improve Debian most?

2009-03-29 Thread Stephen Gran
, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-23 Thread Stephen Gran
as well? It seems rather clunky to ask someone to write an amendment they don't agree with and hope that the wording is what you want. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-23 Thread Stephen Gran
). PROPOSAL END seconded. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-23 Thread Stephen Gran
than it currently is, but I am not yet convinced either way. Thoughts? -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-12 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-11 Thread Stephen Gran
: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU. Seconded. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian

Re: Results of the Lenny release GR

2009-01-11 Thread Stephen Gran
didn't sign his proposal mail, so this can't be a valid GR proposal, AIUI. All I meant was that I second the feeling, rather than a formal proposal. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Discussion: Possible GR: Enhance requirements for General Resolutions

2009-01-04 Thread Stephen Gran
of the options on the ballot. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: Results for General Resolution: Lenny and resolving DFSG violations

2008-12-29 Thread Stephen Gran
? -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: Second call for votes for the Lenny release GR

2008-12-23 Thread Stephen Gran
and noticeable. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: Final call for votes: GR: Project membership procedures

2008-12-12 Thread Stephen Gran
period lasting the standard two weeks. Please, someone, make it stop. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :sg...@debian.org

Re: Proposed wording for the SC modification

2008-11-17 Thread Stephen Gran
, the Secretary's job is to interpret the constitution, not the SC. I'm not convinced that the secretary can mandate that a GR changes the SC. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-16 Thread Stephen Gran
in main, but I want the Release Team to have the freedom to allow it for Lenny. Which was really the starting point of this whole round of proposals. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-16 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 04:32:08PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: It often can, though. You can't really tell if the firmware for your network card is using DMA to send away your private data in unaccounted frames. Of course you can

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-16 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:14:30PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 04:32:08PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: It often can, though. You can't really tell

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-15 Thread Stephen Gran
. Adding paranoid fantasies to the debate doesn't really help much. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-15 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Robert Millan said: If we get closer to the free side, and provide a 100% free main like we used to, When precisely was that? -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: call for seconds: on firmware (was: on firmware (possible proposal))

2008-11-15 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: call for seconds: on firmware

2008-11-15 Thread Stephen Gran
on having a multi winner vote, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin

Re: on firmware (possible proposal)

2008-11-14 Thread Stephen Gran
properly. It is not code that is run on | the host CPU. I would second this with the amendement noted. Cheers, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Discussion period: GR: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
to. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: new proposal

2008-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
it? -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: DFSG violations in Lenny: new proposal

2008-11-10 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Russ Allbery said: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This one time, at band camp, Russ Allbery said: I think it's fairly obvious that glibc meets the DFSG in practice, in that no one is ever going to attempt to apply the ambiguous and badly-written

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-11-09 Thread Stephen Gran
. You do see how that's both nonsense and doomed to failure from the outset, don't you? -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Proposal - Project infrastructure team procedures

2008-05-01 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Josip Rodin said: the developers never made or overrode their decision (4.1.3) http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_002 -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Proposal - Project infrastructure team procedures

2008-05-01 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: Supermajority requirement off-by-one error, and TC chairmanship

2008-01-31 Thread Stephen Gran
to me. I have no problem with the word 'defeat' as currently used, and no opinion on the TC chairman issue. Just my 4c (at the current exchange rate). -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-28 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Sven Luther said: On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:42:41AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: This one time, at band camp, Michelle Konzack said: Am 2007-04-23 19:42:02, schrieb Charles Plessy: Le Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 12:25:31PM +0200, Josip Rodin a écrit : 'We

Re: Request for GR: clarifying the license text licensing / freeness issue

2007-04-27 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Question for Sam Hocevar

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen Gran
for the role of DPL? Thank you for your time, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin

Re: Question for Sam Hocevar

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Sam Hocevar said: On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote: I am a little curious at a disjuncture I see between your platform and some of your actions, and I am hoping you can explain. In your platform, you speak of the power of working in groups to get

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-12 Thread Stephen Gran
. But another day, it may fail to correctly run gcc, and that would be bad if it exited 0 with a wrongly built binary. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Hamish Moffatt said: On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:02:57AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have faith that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. If Do you think it's likely that it can boot

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-09 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Wesley J. Landaker said: On Friday 09 February 2007 17:02, Stephen Gran wrote: I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have faith that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. If Aurelien builds a java package that had

Re: Kernel Firmware issue: are GPLed sourceless firmwares legal to distribute ?

2006-10-18 Thread Stephen Gran
simple counter argument. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: [AMENDMENT] Re: seconds searched for override of resolution 007 needed.

2006-10-15 Thread Stephen Gran
this. Something along the lines of for the love of God will you all just shut up for five minutes is probably out of the question, huh? -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Call for votes for GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel

2006-10-07 Thread Stephen Gran
-- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: Call for vote

2006-10-05 Thread Stephen Gran
I see no reason to make this a secret ballot. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user

Re: The current GR

2006-10-01 Thread Stephen Gran
distribute something in source form, but not in the distributed tarball otherwise?). Take care, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Resolutions concerning dunc-tank

2006-09-24 Thread Stephen Gran
(or Debian's) business? Prying in to developer's private lives to make a point is much much worse than anything you think is happening right now. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-23 Thread Stephen Gran
. It must be nice to be accused of being unethical enough to subvert a release in exchange for substandard wages. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL

Re: Counter-proposal: reaffirm support for the elected DPL

2006-09-21 Thread Stephen Gran
Project wishes success to projects funding Debian or helping towards the release of Etch. Seconded. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-21 Thread Stephen Gran
to state the obvious is supposed to accomplish. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Gran
that. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-08-22 Thread Stephen Gran
/ -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: Questions to candidates Towns and van Wolffelaar: debian-volatile

2006-03-08 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: First call for votes for the GFDL position statement

2006-02-27 Thread Stephen Gran
/10820 HTH, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-10 Thread Stephen Gran
hand holding and protection from ourselves is rather insulting. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: The invariant sections are not forbidden by DFSG

2006-02-05 Thread Stephen Gran
, that just means if you distribute 100 copies, you need provide neither a transparent copy or a link. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL

Re: The invariant sections are not forbidden by DFSG

2006-02-05 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Mike Hommey said: On Sun, Feb 05, 2006 at 12:37:00PM +, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Mike Hommey said: You forgot something... If you publish or distribute Opaque copies of the Document numbering

Re: {SPAM} Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-03 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:16:49 +, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:49:25 +, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Except that the GPL already

Re: A clarification for my interpretation of GFDL [was: Anton's amendment]

2006-02-03 Thread Stephen Gran
free, or you think the FDL is as well. Again, the FSF's opinion doesn't matter here. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Steve Langasek said: On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:29:51PM +, Stephen Gran wrote: It does prohibit code reuse, which I think is one of the things under discussion here. Code under this license can't be mixed with code under the GPL, as I'm sure you're aware

Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer

Re: {SPAM} Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
consider the GPL a free license. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin

Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:40:28 +, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We already agree to distribute text we can't modify - that is, the licenses and attributions and the advertising clauses and so forth. Err. We distribute

Re: {SPAM} Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:49:25 +, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This one time, at band camp, Daniel Ruoso said: So, if I were to write a program, which at startup displays the entiretity of the GNU Manifesto, and wrote

Re: {SPAM} Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said: On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:49:25 +, Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Except that the GPL already explicitly precludes modifications of this type (not this scope, but this type, mind you), and our foundation documents consider the GPL

Re: {SPAM} Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Gran
. -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `'Debian user, admin, and developer | |`- http://www.debian.org

Re: Anton's amendment

2006-02-01 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Thomas Bushnell BSG said: Stephen Gran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, would you regard a license which permitted the modification of some features of a program, but not others, to be free? I would not. In 1997, at the time of the writing of the DFSG

Re: Request for discussion: Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Stephen Gran
perhaps ...) Please cc me on replies. I am not subscribed to -vote. M-F-T set accordingly. Thanks, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL

Re: Request for discussion: Deferment of Changes from GR 2004-003

2004-04-28 Thread Stephen Gran
perhaps ...) Please cc me on replies. I am not subscribed to -vote. M-F-T set accordingly. Thanks, -- - | ,''`.Stephen Gran | | : :' :[EMAIL