Re: Some stats on gr_initcoupling

2014-11-19 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, November 19, 2014 10:51, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: To start, there were 483 voters on 1006 voting developers. More than half didn't vote. Because the nominative tally sheet? Plain business? So fed up that it doesn't matter anymore? As far as I know Debian does not have a routinely executed

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-09 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, November 4, 2014 15:54, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: In the meantime, here is where I think people could help with the preparation work that needs to be completed before sending out a call for seconds (if one wants to minimize the risk of fuckups, that is): - me and Antony discussed

Re: Alternative proposal: support for alternative init systems is desirable but not mandatory

2014-10-18 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, October 17, 2014 19:42, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:44:06PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:44:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I am therefore bringing forward an alternative proposal Recieved, and verified. Note, this has been proposed by

Re: Both DPL candidates: handling social conflict

2014-03-14 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, March 14, 2014 15:37, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: You use the init discussions as an example. I'd like to stress that many people (inside and outside Debian) have been extremely impressed by the init discussion on the -ctte@ list. The Technical Committee provided an in-depth technical review

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Fri, March 7, 2014 11:23, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment B - Updates to the CoC should be via developers as a whole Justification - I believe that this document should have the strength of being a whole project statement.

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Op woensdag 5 maart 2014 19:05:45 schreef Neil McGovern: Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading Justification: I think that it's better to keep the CoC as a general purpose document, rather than have it specific to each medium. The information at

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-24 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, February 24, 2014 08:47, Alexander Wirt wrote: - The administrators will divulge any bans to all Debian Developers for review. I know that this is the case for lists.d.o now, but I never saw other anything from other services. Are _all_ other administrators of 'Debian

Re: Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-02-15 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, February 15, 2014 15:06, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: I feel that if the GR results on the quoted above pool would be different from TC - that may affect other TC decisions. Ian, would you like to sponsor GR in this form? PS: BTW, Guillem what's a status of this GR-proposal? With 1000

Re: [all candidates] Advertising testing and security support

2013-03-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, March 19, 2013 23:52, Jérémy Bobbio wrote: Do you have ideas on how to attract more volunteers to the dull, hard, and sometimes boring tasks of taking care of security issues in Debian? Perhaps it would be useful if we tried not to scare people away with mischaracterizations that the

Re: [all candidates] on distribution-wide changes and scalability

2013-03-17 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Op zaterdag 16 maart 2013 17:39:56 schreef Moray Allan: On 2013-03-16 12:13, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: The current NMU guidelines[1] discourage fixing cosmetic issues or changing the packaging style in an NMU. The reason for that is that such changes are often a matter of taste (though there

Re: Technical committee resolution

2008-03-31 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tuesday 1 April 2008 00:18, Don Armstrong wrote: I agree that the stable security team should no longer be responsible for the wordpress package,[1] [...] 1: Though I must admit that it's not clear to me why http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wordpress/news/20080306T195216Z.html hasn't been

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thursday 20 March 2008 07:33, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: When you register to NM process, you're asked to check boxes if you agree to Social Contract etc. But those checks aren't really enough. What you have is to say (somewhere on a signed mail) that you agree. Currently only the AM receives

Re: Raphael Hertzog: When to commit into repositories of teams?

2008-03-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Mon, March 10, 2008 11:07, Mike Bird wrote: Where is the dpkg team policy that requires Ian to rebase? We have asked many times Exactly who is we here? Please name me three of your most recent contributions to Debian that justify you making demands on the project c.q. Raphaël. thanks,

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wednesday 1 August 2007 01:46, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. Met vriendelijke groet, Your Dutch seems up to par, but why are you talking Dutch to a

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-07-31 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tuesday 31 July 2007 09:48, Anthony Towns wrote: = 5.2. Appointment 1. The Project Leader is elected by the Developers. 2. The election begins [-nine-] {+six+} weeks before the leadership post becomes vacant, or (if it is too late already) immediately. 3. For the

Re: On the Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Friday 27 July 2007 06:40, Charles Plessy wrote: The Debian-Med project is in a growing phase that requires the gathering of programs and utilities which are easy to package and maintain, and which we keep in a common SVN repository. Needless to say, I would be very happy to see this GR

Re: On the Debian Maintainers GR

2007-07-26 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thursday 26 July 2007 16:11, Raphael Hertzog wrote: [2] The NM process rejects some people who have the technical abilities to maintain packages but who are not in sync with the rest of the community. I fail to see why we should refuse their technical contribution. You assess that there are

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal - Use Cases

2007-06-27 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hi Anthony, On Tuesday 26 June 2007 21:29, Anthony Towns wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2007 at 09:18:57AM +0200, Frank K?ster wrote: However, like Pierre, I'm not convinced that the numbers of actually interested people is large. FWIW, I'm happy to put the work into this even if not many people

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sunday 24 June 2007 15:10, Benjamin BAYART wrote: My point is that, when I find a software that is broken, what should I do with it if there is no DD to maintain it? Your point leads to answering let it be broken, since you do not want to spend hours every week reading mailing lists. I

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-24 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sunday 24 June 2007 16:07, Benjamin BAYART wrote: One should be entirely devoted to the sect, and thus become a DD, or entirely out of the thing, and thus contribute nothing. I use Debian for only technical reasons, basically because dpkg works better than rpm, and because files tend to

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thursday 21 June 2007 19:22, Anthony Towns wrote: The NM process is about making new DDs -- who participate fully in the project, and understand and agree with its goals. Not every useful contributor to Debian actually wants that status -- Matthew Garrett's one example of a former DD who'd

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:14, Raphael Hertzog wrote: If you don't believe what I said and what others said, shall we post on debian-devel-announce some sort of straw poll to see how many people would be interested? Don't believe seems a bit over the top, but I'm indeed cautious of introducing

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:49, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Recently I was thinking about resigning as a DD but still wanting to continue maintaining the few packages I have. Had that happened I would very much have liked to have something like DM available, instead of having to pester some other DD

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Friday 22 June 2007 12:39, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: I personally do feel that there are two distinct parts. First, there is the Debian archive, which is governed by our Social Contract. Second, there is the social community, ie. mailing lists and IRC, which isn't part of the SC. Now, if I don't

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Friday 22 June 2007 14:50, Mark Brown wrote: This depends. Like a number of other people I believe that it is important to exercise your right to vote whenever possible. You can consider it important to exercise your right to vote *because* you deem a specific system imporant to support

Re: Debian Maintainers GR Proposal

2007-06-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Friday 22 June 2007 16:50, Steve Langasek wrote: Not for the benefit of that developer, but for our benefit. I have no fear at all of Matthew Garrett doing an incompetent job of preparing packages; why should we make it hard for *Debian* to take advantage of his contributions? Just to get

Re: Questions to the candidates

2007-02-28 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 17:16 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Hey, that's not really a cultural difference here. If you really already know for sure some people won't never ever get paid, how could they feel otherwise? How about: I couldn't care less? I think you illustrated a part of the

Re: Proposal: Recall the Project Leader

2006-09-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 15:00 -0400, Clint Adams wrote: But we, Debian developers, can make this confusion vanish, and I would like to propose that we answer to the valid question quoted in the second paragraph above by recalling our Project Leader, as allowed by our Constitution (section

Re: Filibustering general resolutions

2006-09-19 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 10:09 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: The project should decide how it wants to handle filibustering, if it feels like doing anything about it, of course. But now, any GR has a veto contingent of only 6 developers. How about we see how to solve that when it

Re: Donations

2006-06-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Wouter, On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 12:45 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Perhaps a formulation like Since Debian has no authority to hold money or property, any monetary donations for the Debian Project must be made to an organization that has been vetted by the DPL to be

Re: Donations

2006-06-10 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 18:51 +0100, David Pashley wrote: Presumably because transfering money between countries involves non-neglegable cost, where as transfer of ownership of hardware doesn't[0]. I understand that - my point is that I don't see a clear reason to *disallow* other of such vetted

Re: Question to all candidates about stable point releases

2006-03-07 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 17:28 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I think the first thing to note is that irregular point releases aren't a big deal I think they are underrated; they provide a good service to our users. - People buy CD's or use the non-net-install images because they don't have the

Re: Reflections about the questions for the candidates

2006-03-05 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Enrico, But there's more than that. In the last year as part of the DPL Team, people have been criticising the last year for the lack of reports. But I don't remember a single one sending in a mail like Dear DPL[-Team], what happened last week?. It would have been a pleasure to

Re: Question for Ari Pollak: joint leadership group

2006-03-03 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
Hello Ari, On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:24 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: Why haven't you gotten Zeke neutered yet? Do you consider people who ask about Zekes neuteuring when thet did not (yet) castrate themselves to be hypocritical? Given that Zeke's still active, would he rather mate with Vi or

Re: For those who care about the GR

2006-01-22 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Sat, January 21, 2006 21:52, Manoj Srivastava wrote: So, can the developers dispute this? Obviously, the developer body can dispute any delegated action. But a GR can't overturn something seen as fact (so no GR stating PI=exacly 3.14 or 22/7). Could you please explain how you arrive at the