Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Jan 13, 2004, at 08:25, Dale E Martin wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say Software that doesn't instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? No, not all software is documentation.

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-14 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Jan 13, 2004, at 08:25, Dale E Martin wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say Software that doesn't instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? No, not all software is

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Dale E Martin
However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that question would be in the DFSG. That's a very good point, agreed. Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Dale E Martin
However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that question would be in the DFSG. That's a very good point, agreed. Dale -- Dale E. Martin, Clifton Labs, Inc. Senior Computer Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cliftonlabs.com pgp key available signature.asc

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-01-13 13:25:52 + Dale E Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards Should this say Software that doesn't instead? Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? [...] No, but

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:25:52AM -0500, Dale E Martin wrote: Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does documentation == software? If we're cleaning up the social contract, I wonder if we need to go one step further. Software and data that does not, or

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
I submit that this was written without any consideration of the discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | |I propose the following resolution: | |We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified |by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document |will be the social contract below, and the second replacement

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: I submit that this was written without any consideration of the discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: That's a non-issue, as near as I can

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:35:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: I second this proposal. Thanks. But, um... since I got the name of LSB wrong, I'm going to have to re-issue the proposal again. I think, when I re-issue it tonight, I'll ask for a delay on seconding, just in case there's anything

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements]. I certainly support this in principal and will await your final version before signing a second. Also I must

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew Suffield
I submit that this was written without any consideration of the discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. -- .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** | Andrew Suffield : :' : http://www.debian.org/ | `. `' | `- -- | signature.asc

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
The biggest reason for my most recent proposal is to make the social contract say what it is that we've been doing in the context of non-free. However, I've addressed a number of more minor problems [for example, removing references to specific technologies, such as GNU/Linux, FTP and CDs, and

[Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but which is quoted at

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:43:55PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We support interoperability standards such as Linux System Base, and will

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Sven Luther
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | |I propose the following resolution: | |We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified |by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document |will be the social contract below, and the second replacement

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: I submit that this was written without any consideration of the discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year. That's a non-issue, as near as I can tell. If there's some problem you're trying to solve, please specify

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Raul Miller
Comments on my most recent proposal. The proposal consists of four kinds of changes: [A] Making the social contract more generic than Linux. This means changing the meta-title (the first line of the document) from Debian GNU/Linux Social Contract to Debian's Social Contract, and making a

Re: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract

2004-01-12 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements]. I certainly support this in principal and will await your final version before signing a second. Also I must