Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-26 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/11/14 at 10:45 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > There are three different variants that consider resignations/removals: > > "2-R": <20141119091345.ga9...@xanadu.blop.info>, formalized in ><20141120204606.ga30...@upsilon.cc> > expire the 2-R most senior members, with R the number of

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-25 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:08:26PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > This negociation about the content of the ballot feels quite wrong to > me. FWIW, I'd say the opposite -- I'd say negotiating about the content of the ballot is what it looks like when you're trying to come to a consensus; and that

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-24 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 06:01:40PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > I can't find the reference right now, but IIRC we've discussed this > > > during the init system coupling GR and I don't think it's possible: you > > > are DPL, if you introduce an amendment, it's automatically accepted. I >

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
TL;DR: the latest complete drafts of proposals 2, 2-R, and 2-S are available at: https://people.debian.org/~zack/gr-ctte-term-limit/ please have a look if you care about any of them. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:57:32PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > A transitional measure does not have any effe

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-23 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Stefano" == Stefano Zacchiroli writes: Stefano> - 2-S seems to be some sort of middle ground among the Stefano> first choices in the hypothetical votes you proposed above Stefano> (and in fact it was proposed by AJ precisely as a mediation Stefano> among them) Stefano

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 23/11/14 at 12:32 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:08:26PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > I think that you should propose the option you consider best; I will > > propose 2-R, because I still have a strong preference for that option > > compared to 2-S, 2-R' or 2.

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-23 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:08:26PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Our voting system is designed to handle this case just fine, and the > only drawback is that it makes the voting slightly more complex > because project members have to compare two options, and not just > approve/disapprove one -- bu

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-23 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 22/11/14 at 12:35 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:29:40AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Considering only 2*, if we were to vote today, my vote would probably be: > > 2-R > 2-R' > 2-S > 2 > FD > > I'm assuming your vote would be: > > 2 > 2-S > 2-R' > 2-R > FD

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-22 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-11-22, 12:35: As a transitional measure, the term of any Committee member who has served more than 42 months (3.5 years) and who is one of the two most senior members as of January 1st, 2014 is set to expire one month after this GR is passed. s/who has/who had/, s/

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-22 Thread Hubert Chathi
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 12:35:28 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli said: [...] > For reference, I'm attaching the current version of the 2-S GR text. > I'm still waiting to see if people object to that idea, but the only > remaining change I'd like to apply to that proposal is to remove the > transitional m

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-22 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 11:29:40AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Considering only 2*, if we were to vote today, my vote would probably be: > 2-R > 2-R' > 2-S > 2 > FD > I'm assuming your vote would be: > 2 > 2-S > 2-R' > 2-R > FD > This is hard to reconcile. [...] > But I don't think that a ballot

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 21/11/14 at 10:59 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > That said, I do believe we are almost in the realm of bikeshed/minutiae > here, and I would see as a problem having a ballot with the above 6 > options + FD. So I do hope we can converge/compromise, at least among > option proposers, on a sin

Re: [SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-21 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 10:45:18AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I'm trying to summarize the thread here, so that others have an easy > way in. Thanks. > "soft": <20141119220621.ga31...@master.debian.org> > "max": <20141120192253.GA6120@jtriplet-mobl1> > "2": <20141120204606.ga30...@upsilon.cc>

[SUMMARY] Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-21 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I'm trying to summarize the thread here, so that others have an easy way in. Reminder: all pointers are to message-ids. You can read the mails using https:///lists.debian.org/MESSAGE-ID . There's an agreement that more turnover inside the TC would be a good thing, by favoring the replacement