Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-25 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:01:07AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: For example, after I proposed removing the Linux specific wording in the social contract, you introduced the same kind of change in yours. I did that following the suggestion of somebody on IRC (I forget who), in December.

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-25 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:01:07AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: For example, after I proposed removing the Linux specific wording in the social contract, you introduced the same kind of change in yours. I did that following the suggestion of somebody on IRC (I forget who), in December.

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying, therefore you're wrong. This was Here is documented

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 02:14:50AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: It's true that if your resolution passed we would need to pass further resolutions to fix the problem you're creating, but at present the above paragraph is simply false. Here you have implied that problems are

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
In case the above is too abstract for you, I'll break it down: [a] Some people use software from the non-free of our archives. [b] That software would cease to be available in future versions of debian. [c] Upgrading that software becomes a problem when it's not available. [d] Dpkg

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:50:25AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying,

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-24 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying, therefore you're wrong. This was Here is documented

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 02:14:50AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: It's true that if your resolution passed we would need to pass further resolutions to fix the problem you're creating, but at present the above paragraph is simply false. Here you have implied that problems are

Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
Also, we should probably update the DFSG to indicate that they are Debian's Free Software Requirements, rather than merely being guidelines. This would also require updating the social contract and the constitution. On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 02:44:57PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying, therefore you're wrong. This was Here is documented evidence of you lying. On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:01:07AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying, therefore you're wrong. This was Here is documented evidence of

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:50:25AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying,

Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
Also, we should probably update the DFSG to indicate that they are Debian's Free Software Requirements, rather than merely being guidelines. This would also require updating the social contract and the constitution. On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 02:44:57PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote:

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying, therefore you're wrong. This was Here is documented evidence of you lying. On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 12:01:07AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:

Re: Ad Hominem (was Re: Raul Miller is lying scum [Was: thoughts on potential outcomes for non-free ballot])

2004-01-23 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 05:32:03AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: Subject: Ad Hominem (was ...) No it wasn't. It was a well-formed argument with a conclusion in the subject line. Argumentum ad hominem would be You're lying, therefore you're wrong. This was Here is documented evidence of