Re: Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-08 Thread Norbert Preining
> And bingo, I now have a complete card! I should go get a celebratory > drink instead of continuing to affirm my conclusion that Debian has > become such a toxic place to be putting my energy. What an important contribution from someone who has been on the AH/CT Team, but cannot accept different

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-08 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:33 PM Martina Ferrari wrote: > > Fuck that > you were in the first line on my bingo card. > Lol, "trot" off dude. > your amazingly stupid retort > another character that is also fanning the flames in this list > and also was on my bingo card, I am on a roll!! > all

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Tina On 2021/04/08 06:15, Martina Ferrari wrote: > Ah, Adam, sending unsolicited private email? Fuck that, you were in the > first line on my bingo card. Personally, I would've ignored an unsolicited post like that and deleted it. Not that I'm telling you that's what you should've done, but

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-07 Thread Martina Ferrari
Ah, Adam, sending unsolicited private email? Fuck that, you were in the first line on my bingo card. On 07/04/2021 22:03, Adam Borowski wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 04:18:03PM +0100, Martina Ferrari wrote: And bingo, I now have a complete card! I should go get a celebratory drink instead of

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-07 Thread Martina Ferrari
Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation. seconded And bingo, I now have a complete card! I should go get a celebratory drink instead of continuing to

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Kurt Roeckx dijo [Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:38:24PM +0200]: > The option has been committed to the website, it should appear soon. Thanks, Kurt. The vote is now in progress, and it does include this option. I just felt needed to state that I didn't include it in my call for vote because, early

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:14:31AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:43:38PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > Move choice 7 to 8 and put it seven. > > > > [ ] Choice 7: Rejecting and denouncing a witch-hunt against RMS. > > > > (maybe Craig has a better idea) > >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:43:38PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Move choice 7 to 8 and put it seven. > > [ ] Choice 7: Rejecting and denouncing a witch-hunt against RMS. > > (maybe Craig has a better idea) Thanks, looks goodexcept for two problems: 1. you've used the wrong article

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 03.04.21 um 20:16 schrieb Kurt Roeckx: On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:12:50PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: Short and simple: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
The option has been committed to the website, it should appear soon.

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:12:50PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > Short and simple: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > Richard > > Stallman,

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Michael Biebl
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:15:22PM +0200, Micha Lenk wrote: > My previous attempt yielded an invalid signature for me, so, trying again with > a different mailer... This one worked. Kurt

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 07:07:54PM +0200, Micha Lenk wrote: > Am 03.04.21 um 01:56 schrieb Craig Sanders: > > Short and simple: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt > > against Richard Stallman, the Free Software

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Roger Shimizu
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 6:15 PM Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Adam Borowski (2021-04-03 18:21:54) > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Micha Lenk
My previous attempt yielded an invalid signature for me, so, trying again with a different mailer... Am 03.04.21 um 01:56 schrieb Craig Sanders: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt > against Richard

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Micha Lenk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am 03.04.21 um 01:56 schrieb Craig Sanders: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt > against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the > members of

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 06:21:54PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. > >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le samedi 03 avril 2021 à 17:38:17+0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit : > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > Short and simple: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 03:53:58PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:20:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software

Re: Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation,

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Ying-Chun Liu (PaulLiu)
Quoting Craig Sanders (2021-04-03 01:56:45) >> Short and simple: >> >> TEXT OF OPTION 5 >> >> >> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard >> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the >> Free Software

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Craig Sanders (2021-04-03 01:56:45) > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. > >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Norbert Preining
> TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. seconded Best Norbert signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation,

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 05:48:47AM -0700, Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 12:34 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > The discussion period is over, no new options will be added. > > That does not seem right. The submission arrived during the discussion > period and was only

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:20:47PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. > >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 12:34 AM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > The discussion period is over, no new options will be added. That does not seem right. The submission arrived during the discussion period and was only formally deficient, yes? Since the discussion period was already shortened and we

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:21:52PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > This has been discussed before. It did not reset the minimum discussion > > time. > > oh wow, a discussion. and a discussion has the power to change debian's >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Adam, Am 03.04.21 um 14:31 schrieb Adam Borowski: On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:59:53PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the earliest a vote can be called with a

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Craig, Am 03.04.21 um 14:21 schrieb Craig Sanders: This has been discussed before. It did not reset the minimum discussion time. oh wow, a discussion. and a discussion has the power to change debian's constitution? Debian's constitution wasn't changed. Please calm down and read up in the

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:59:53PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the > > earliest a vote can be called with a shortened 1 week discussion period is > > April

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 02:12:25PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > This has been discussed before. It did not reset the minimum discussion > time. oh wow, a discussion. and a discussion has the power to change debian's constitution? in any case: it will be wonderful to see Debian commit Libel

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:56:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:38:23PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > Short and simple: > > > > > >

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:32:41PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: >On Saturday, 3 April 2021 11:19:38 AM AEDT Craig Sanders wrote: >> The witch hunt is not within debian, debian's just being dragged into the >> angry mob. > >Yes to everything you've said, Craig. And the attack on Debian has been

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:59:53PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:56:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > A vote has been called. > > Nope, can't have been. > > The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the > earliest a vote can be called

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:08:50PM +0200, Micha Lenk wrote: > Hi Adrian, > > Am 03.04.21 um 10:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk: > > Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it. > > Do you (or anybody actually) have a idea how to deal best with the old RMS > GR if this one is

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 01:56:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > A vote has been called. Nope, can't have been. The last amendment (before mine) was accepted on March 30th, which means the earliest a vote can be called with a shortened 1 week discussion period is April 7th. Any CFV before then is

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:38:23PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > Short and simple: > > > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > > > > Debian refuses to

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:14:53AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:25:13AM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it. why not do that yourself? craig

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > Short and simple: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman,

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Micha Lenk (2021-04-03 13:08:50) > Am 03.04.21 um 10:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk: > > Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor > > it. > > Do you (or anybody actually) have a idea how to deal best with the old > RMS GR if this one is formally accepted? If this one

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Craig, hi Zlatan, Am 03.04.21 um 10:18 schrieb Zlatan Todoric: On 4/3/21 01:52, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: Yes, lets use that I am not native English speaker and drown the conversation with some pointless pedantic approaches now

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Adrian, Am 03.04.21 um 10:25 schrieb Adrian Bunk: Craig, if you make this a new separate GR I will be glad to sponsor it. Do you (or anybody actually) have a idea how to deal best with the old RMS GR if this one is formally accepted? Regards, Micha

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "DS" == Dmitry Smirnov writes: DS> So many man-hours were lost on this GR already in the midst of DS> the pre-release freeze, just to name one problem... DS> We are on a slippery slope of turning Debian into political DS> project. One good thing about this GR is that it

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Holger Levsen (2021-04-03 11:14:53) > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher total > popcon than DDs, but aren't DD because didn't bother to jump through all the > several hoops to become a DD. > > If you do not want DMs, make a proposal

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. >

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 09:33:48AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > > Short and simple: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > >

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/3/21 00:44, Salvo Tomaselli wrote: > I sincerely think debian-vote should be read-only for non-DDs because this person is not a DD (afaict) and is just polluting our list with such non-sense. There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher total popcon than DDs, but

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/3/21 01:52, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: Yes, lets use that I am not native English speaker and drown the conversation with some pointless pedantic approaches now and bunch of words. Oh, FFS! I was giving you a face-saving excuse

Re: REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 10:56:45AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Saturday, 3 April 2021 11:19:38 AM AEDT Craig Sanders wrote: > The witch hunt is not within debian, debian's just being dragged into the > angry mob. Yes to everything you've said, Craig. And the attack on Debian has been successful so far. So many man-hours were lost on this GR already in the

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:36:39PM +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > My assumption would be that it was an allusion to McCarthyism, and the > associated anti-communist moral panic in the 1950s that Arthur Miller > dramatised in The Crucible. yes. It's also a tried and tested political tool used to

REPOST, SIGNED: Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
Short and simple: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 08:43:15PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > There is a common pitfall that uploads signed with a key that is expired in > the keyring are silently dropped at some point during processing. Thanks, i'll look into that. I'm pretty sure I signed it with my newest (2015-ish) key,

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 09:07:15PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > Yes, lets use that I am not native English speaker and drown the > conversation with some pointless pedantic approaches now and bunch of words. Oh, FFS! I was giving you a face-saving excuse for your ignorance, not using it

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Tiago Bortoletto Vaz
Hi, On 2021-04-02 6:44 p.m., Salvo Tomaselli wrote: >> I sincerely think debian-vote should be read-only for non-DDs because > this person is not a DD (afaict) and is just polluting our list with > such non-sense. > > > There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher total >

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Salvo Tomaselli
> I sincerely think debian-vote should be read-only for non-DDs because this person is not a DD (afaict) and is just polluting our list with such non-sense. There are non-DD people who maintain more packages and with higher total popcon than DDs, but aren't DD because didn't bother to jump

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:36:39PM +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > > You'll need to ask Craig what he actually meant by that. > > My assumption would be that it was an allusion to McCarthyism, and the > associated anti-communist moral panic in the 1950s that Arthur Miller > dramatised in The

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 1:37 PM Philip Hands wrote: > > Is that really what we're seeing? Yes, that is exactly what we are seeing. Thank you for explaining it. Kind regards Felix Lechner

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Philip Hands
Roberto C. Sánchez writes: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: >> >> On 4/2/21 16:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: >> > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: >> > > On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: >> > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 >> > > >

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 18:48, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 4/2/21 16:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: TEXT OF OPTION 5

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 19:09, Craig Sanders wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: [...] still not good enough to throw tantrums around with "witch-hunt". Women in past were burnt alive on stakes, so stop with extreme rhetoric when some expresses that they had it enough with

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 03:19:02AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: >... > i'm down to one package these days, dlocate, which i work on when i'm able. i > uploaded a new version of it a few months ago - the upload completed OK, but > the new version never went into unstable. I have no idea why it just

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > [...] still not good enough to throw tantrums > around with "witch-hunt". Women in past were burnt alive on stakes, so stop > with extreme rhetoric when some expresses that they had it enough with > sexist behavior. Witch-hunt is a

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 06:18:51PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > On 4/2/21 16:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > > On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: > > > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Debian

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 10:56:42AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > debian-keyring (1998.09.27) unstable; urgency=low > > * Mon Sep 7 14:13:23 EDT 1998: [PGP/IG] Updated the key of Dima Barsky > * Thu Sep 10 18:10:03 EDT 1998: [PGP/IG] Added the key of Craig Sanders > > So, to summarize:

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 16:56, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 03:49:04PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard > > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Jessica Clarke
On 2 Apr 2021, at 14:49, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: >> TEXT OF OPTION 5 >> >> >> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard >> Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the >>

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Zlatan Todoric
On 4/2/21 09:20, Craig Sanders wrote: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation. I sincerely think

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 12:08:02AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > 1. Most importantly - what happens if the witch-hunt is successful and rms and > the entire FSF board are sacked/forced to resign? Who replaces them? Who gains > control over the FSF and the text of the GPL? It's a broader question

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:07:59AM +0100, Phil Morrell wrote: > On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Craig Sanders wrote: > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against > > Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the > > board of the Free Software Foundation. >

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Craig Sanders
TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 12:08:52PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > Short and simple: > > TEXT OF OPTION 5 > > > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-01 Thread Phil Morrell
On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Craig Sanders wrote: > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. Hi, please can you explain how this is significantly different from

Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-01 Thread Craig Sanders
Short and simple: TEXT OF OPTION 5 Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the Free Software Foundation.