On 2021/04/01 17:57, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> The first option is one option, the others are different and less
>> strong. Having strong options in a GR doesn't turn the whole GR in a
>> blackmail
>
> I would disagree.
On April 1, 2021 10:33:02 PM GMT+05:30, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 07:30:10PM +0300, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
>>On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 05:12:55PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>> *No* attempt has been made to sign that open letter on behalf of the
>>> project.
>>
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 07:30:10PM +0300, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 05:12:55PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> *No* attempt has been made to sign that open letter on behalf of the
>> project.
>
>https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00061.html
>>8
>I am
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 05:12:55PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> *No* attempt has been made to sign that open letter on behalf of the
> project.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00061.html
>8
I am sure there is a precedent of a position statement being announced
without
Forgot to reply to that, wich is actually super important.
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 18:57:12+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > The first option is one option, the others are different and less
> > strong. Having strong
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 18:57:12+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > The first option is one option, the others are different and less
> > strong. Having strong options in a GR doesn't turn the whole GR in a
> > blackmail
Hello,
On 01.04.21 15:52, Pasha wrote:
On Thu, 2021-04-01 at 15:38 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
Goals might evolve. It's also called "growing up".
Now, if you tell me the goal of Debian changed from free OS to
something else - it is not the reason I am using Debian.
Did I say that or could
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 06:57:12PM +0300, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>> The first option is one option, the others are different and less
>> strong. Having strong options in a GR doesn't turn the whole GR in a
>> blackmail
>
>I
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> The first option is one option, the others are different and less
> strong. Having strong options in a GR doesn't turn the whole GR in a
> blackmail
I would disagree. Especially, given that the first attempt to
"sign on
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 10:46:16-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:39:05PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >
> > Your statement tends to show likewise. My guess is that you tend to also
> > look for the bad thing that is neither written or implied.
> >
> I was
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 16:58:25+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:38:03PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > You are systematically telling "i don't care" to what we say
>
> That's lie, I've not ignored your arguments so far.
If you say so
> > deciding that
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:39:05PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>
> Your statement tends to show likewise. My guess is that you tend to also
> look for the bad thing that is neither written or implied.
>
I was not looking for anything. The responses simply stood out as quite
possibly
Sergey B Kirpichev, 2021-04-01 09:24 -0400:
> It doesn't matter. The message is clear: do what we want or go out.
Our message is "follow the guidelines we've set for behaviour towards
each other or you're not welcome to interact with other members of the
community"?! I'm... I'm truly shocked.
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 09:38:58-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:15:08PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 08:40:26-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:58:49PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > > >
Well, I'm still trying to hear users voice. For me, it seems they
may disagree with you.
We could make a press release with an opinion poll attached… rather than
pushing for a press release that wrongly implies that every debian
contributor thinks the same way and agrees.
Except that
On 4/1/21 15:52, Pasha wrote:
Please speak only for yourself and not for "all Debian users", I
doubt
you know all of them :)
Goals might evolve. It's also called "growing up".
I started using Debian when I was in school.
Now, if you tell me the goal of Debian changed from free OS to
On 4/1/21 3:38 PM, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
Please speak only for yourself and not for "all Debian users", I doubt
you know all of them :)
Goals might evolve. It's also called "growing up".
Or giving up
Ever heard about the change curve? When change happens around us, we go
through different
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:38:03PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> You are systematically telling "i don't care" to what we say
That's lie, I've not ignored your arguments so far.
> deciding that this is a blackmail and smearing campaign.
I'd explained this in details. In case of doubts:
On Thu, 2021-04-01 at 15:38 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> Sergey,
>
> On 01.04.21 15:24, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> > > You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-
> > > members
> >
> > I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about
> > feelings of my
On 4/1/21 15:24, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-members
I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about
feelings of my opponents and so on. Is that wrong for the Debian now?
You're not arguing, you're just "throwing"
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:10:32PM +0300, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:11:18PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Nod, that's exactly what it was. Maybe polite requests aren't
> > effective enough for some people.
>
> Maybe it was not a polite request at all. Just another
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:15:08PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 08:40:26-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:58:49PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > > Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 12:11:18+0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> > > > On
Sergey,
On 01.04.21 15:24, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-members
I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about
feelings of my opponents and so on. Is that wrong for the Debian now?
To what goal are you trying to
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 16:24:10+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-members
>
> I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about
> feelings of my opponents and so on. Is that wrong for the Debian now?
You are
> You're making a good cause to make the lists read-only for non-members
I'm trying to argue my position, instead of long reasonings about
feelings of my opponents and so on. Is that wrong for the Debian now?
> Maybe some wording somewhere is strong
It doesn't matter. The message is clear: do
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 08:40:26-0400, Roberto C. Sánchez a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:58:49PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 12:11:18+0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> > > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > > >Le
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:11:18PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Nod, that's exactly what it was. Maybe polite requests aren't
> effective enough for some people.
Maybe it was not a polite request at all. Just another
blackmail, like the vote is, isn't?
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 01:58:49PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 12:11:18+0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > >Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > >> >
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 12:11:18+0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> >Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> >> > Please stop now.
> >>
> >> Or?...
> >
> >Actually we could ask you to be banned
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
>> > Please stop now.
>>
>> Or?...
>
>Actually we could ask you to be banned from Debian lists, but here I
>assume it was merely a request.
Nod, that's
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 10:40:35AM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > > Please stop now.
> >
> > Or?...
>
> Actually we could ask you to be banned from Debian lists
I expected that. "Free" society as it is. Argements -
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 04:09:58+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:24:52PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you still are on a debian
> > mailing list while you clearly stated you wanted to sever your ties with
> >
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 03:52:23+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > Please stop now.
>
> Or?...
Actually we could ask you to be banned from Debian lists, but here I
assume it was merely a request.
--
Pierre-Elliott Bécue
GPG: 9AE0 4D98 6400 E3B6 7528 F493 0D44 2664 1949 74E2
It's far
On 4/1/21 03:09, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:24:52PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you still are on a debian
mailing list while you clearly stated you wanted to sever your ties with
Debian.
And what's wrong? Anyone can
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:24:52PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> I could be wrong, but it seems to me that you still are on a debian
> mailing list while you clearly stated you wanted to sever your ties with
> Debian.
And what's wrong? Anyone can participate in the discussion, isn't?
One
> Please stop now.
Or?...
Sergey B Kirpichev, 2021-03-31 11:53 -0400:
> "I decide who is a jew in the airforce" (c)
>
> This trans is a wrong trans, isn't?
huh?
--
Taowa (they)
LOC FN35EM
[...]
> >
> > Libreboot explanation can be helpful here:
> >
> > https://libreboot.org/news/rms.html
>
> I stopped reading after "Thought Criminal", "accused of defending rape
> in an Orwellian smear campaign" and "orchestrated by mainstream media".
Lucky you, as it goes deeper on such
Le mercredi 31 mars 2021 à 18:52:49+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > I stopped reading after "Thought Criminal" ...
> > Honestly, do what you want, but Trumpist
>
> "I decide who is a jew in the airforce" (c)
>
> This trans is a wrong trans, isn't?
I could be wrong, but it seems to me
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 06:52:49PM +0300, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
>> I stopped reading after "Thought Criminal" ...
>> Honestly, do what you want, but Trumpist
>
>"I decide who is a jew in the airforce" (c)
>
>This trans is a wrong trans, isn't?
Sergey: I don't know where you're going down this
> I stopped reading after "Thought Criminal" ...
> Honestly, do what you want, but Trumpist
"I decide who is a jew in the airforce" (c)
This trans is a wrong trans, isn't?
Le mercredi 31 mars 2021 à 16:41:50+0200, Pasha a écrit :
> On Wed, 2021-03-31 at 11:59 +0200, Gard Spreemann wrote:
> >
> > Sergey B Kirpichev writes:
> >
> > > Obviously, you want to turn the Debian into something "more than
> > > that". But have you fixed all bugs in the packages you do
> >
On Wed, 2021-03-31 at 11:59 +0200, Gard Spreemann wrote:
>
> Sergey B Kirpichev writes:
>
> > Obviously, you want to turn the Debian into something "more than
> > that". But have you fixed all bugs in the packages you do
> > support?)
>
> Is this how you behave when discussing political
Sergey B Kirpichev writes:
> Obviously, you want to turn the Debian into something "more than
> that". But have you fixed all bugs in the packages you do support?)
Is this how you behave when discussing political matters in general too?
"This one important problem isn't fully resolved,
> I do not understand what you mean by "why not?".
Literally: "why not?"
> The Debian Members are the most technical part of the Debian Community
That's not true, given we have teams, that don't do a technical work at all.
> I think there is a misunderstanding
Yep. I meant, same it true for
On 30/03/2021 20:19, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:56:49PM +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
>> Cancel "culture" arrived in Debian and it threatens the project:
> https://davidblixtauthor.medium.com/cancel-culture-and-responsibility-b5b8065c3cbd
While people should see
Le mardi 30 mars 2021 à 20:27:56+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 07:10:17PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> > Are you aware that many of those "SJW" have been Debian Members for a very
> > long time
>
> Why not?
I do not understand what you mean by "why not?".
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 07:10:17PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Are you aware that many of those "SJW" have been Debian Members for a very
> long time
Why not?
> the most technical part of that community?
That's your imagination, given you already ignored a decent part
of the community.
Le mardi 30 mars 2021 à 19:35:05+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > Debian Maintainers and Contributors are indeed not Debian Members and
> > it's written to many places.
>
> For instance...
>
> https://www.debian.org/intro/people
>
> --->8-
> People: who we are, what we do
> Developers
> Debian Maintainers and Contributors are indeed not Debian Members and
> it's written to many places.
For instance...
https://www.debian.org/intro/people
--->8-
People: who we are, what we do
Developers and contributors
Debian is produced by almost a thousand active developers spread
> whose potential work
Can we compare a potential work with a potential work? Real
work with real work, meters with meters, seconds with seconds and
so on... Not inches with bananas, please.
> If I were to follow the argumentation that Stallman's contributions are so
> immensely important
Sergey B Kirpichev writes:
>> Is it a problem when someone goes and works and pays taxes in a country
>> where they're not a citizen?
>
> Oh, package maintainers are not Debian's citizens... Great idea, just
> put this on the top of debian.org to attract new contributors. This
> is not
Hi,
On 30.03.21 09:56, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:
Nobody is perfect. Everybody said a foolish thing at least once in a
lifetime. If we cancel those who love what they do, those who are good
with what they do, those who are passionate and caring for what they do
for something they have said
Le mardi 30 mars 2021 à 17:31:43+0300, Sergey B Kirpichev a écrit :
> > Is it a problem when someone goes and works and pays taxes in a country
> > where they're not a citizen?
>
> Oh, package maintainers are not Debian's citizens... Great idea, just
> put this on the top of debian.org to
> Is it a problem when someone goes and works and pays taxes in a country
> where they're not a citizen?
Oh, package maintainers are not Debian's citizens... Great idea, just
put this on the top of debian.org to attract new contributors. This
is not transfobic, right?
Sergey B Kirpichev writes:
> The simple (not just one) problem is: I did (now, in past) some work for
> the Debian - but I can't vote. Yet, the project do political decisions
> on my behalf.
Is it a problem when someone goes and works and pays taxes in a country
where they're not a citizen?
(CC'd to debian-vote due to
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/03/msg00224.html)
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 02:53:16PM +0200, Stephan Lachnit wrote:
> Obviously the FSF can do whatever they want. They don't *have* to represent
> me. But that doesn't mean that I still felt that they did.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 1:04 PM Sergey B Kirpichev wrote:
> > It's supposed to represent everyone who fights for a future where software
> > is open
>
> Is it possible? To reopresent everyone.
>
> Shouldn't he instead represent that he's expected to represent?
>
> >From the fsf.org:
>
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