Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-06-11 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:25:08 +1000, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 05:58:10PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Oh, as a sponsor of the GR, I suppose I should clarify that I am not going to accept this amendment; I consider it a bad one. This Then shouldn't we

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Manoj: I think I must be missing something major here (sorry:I've had less than an average of 5 hours of sleep a night for the last 10 days or so, and in my old age my faculties are failing me) On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:07:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Yes, you're missing something.

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-30 Thread Guido Trotter
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:50:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: This whole discussion tells me that the original proposal (with Manoj's s/quorum/.../ change, for consistency) should be up to that task. Cool. All we need is the other sponsors to agree (though I agree with the

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-29 Thread Guido Trotter
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:50:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: This whole discussion tells me that the original proposal (with Manoj's s/quorum/.../ change, for consistency) should be up to that task. Cool. All we need is the other sponsors to agree (though I agree with the

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah, so now it is a matter of determining intent. So, short of providing code for telepathically determining the voters intent, how can one cater to people who really find A unacceptable,

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This whole discussion tells me that the original proposal (with Manoj's s/quorum/.../ change, for consistency) should be up to that task. Cool. All we need is the other

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-28 Thread Joel Baker
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 11:50:54PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah, so now it is a matter of determining intent. So, short of providing code for telepathically determining the

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Sam Hartman
Andrew == Andrew Pimlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew ? As far as I can see, all you need is enough D voters Andrew that B voters can cause D beats A. But if B voters can cause D beats A, how is this not honest? If I'd rather see B win or no decision made I rang A below D,

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 22 May 2003 13:06:34 -0400, Buddha Buck [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ah... then I was confused. Replace M(A,default) = R with V(A,default) = R and M(A,default)0 The V(A,default =R clause comes from your proposed A.6.2, and the M(A,default)0 clause comes from your proposed A.6.3.

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 26 May 2003 13:42:03 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, Guido Trotter wrote: If we are sure that if 2*quorum people cast a vote there is no problem with the proposed system, why not add to the current proposal the fact that the votes cast, altogether, have to be at

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 May 2003 10:18:18 -0400, Andrew Pimlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... and also more likely than if a plain Condorcet method were used. Which complicates the analysis, because it's easy to construct cases where B voters can beat A with strategy under both Condorcet+SSD and

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
On Tue, 27 May 2003 10:18:18 -0400, Andrew Pimlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... and also more likely than if a plain Condorcet method were used. Which complicates the analysis, because it's easy to construct cases where B voters can beat A with strategy under both Condorcet+SSD and

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:59:32 +0200, Matthias Urlichs [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This whole discussion tells me that the original proposal (with Manoj's s/quorum/.../ change, for consistency) should be up to that task. Cool. All we need is the other sponsors

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj: I think I must be missing something major here (sorry:I've had less than an average of 5 hours of sleep a night for the last 10 days or so, and in my old age my faculties are failing me) On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:07:00PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Yes, you're missing

Re: Constitutional amendment: Condorcet/Clone Proof SSD votetallying

2003-05-27 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Ah, so now it is a matter of determining intent. So, short of providing code for telepathically determining the voters intent, how can one cater to people who really find A unacceptable, and are voting honestly, from people who would consider A