Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-28 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] No matter that the GR is a useless, no-op, anti-ganneff vote, which serves no purpose whatsoever, except to kill any motivation ganneff might have had to facilitate admission of non-packagers into Debian. [...] I hope it won't kill that

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Oct 28 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] No matter that the GR is a useless, no-op, anti-ganneff vote, which serves no purpose whatsoever, except to kill any motivation ganneff might have had to facilitate admission of non-packagers into Debian.

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-28 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] You think it speaks ill of people when they are demotivated by people saying nasty things about them, or ascribing horrible motives to them? Amazing. Me, I would be liable to just break out some beer and watch some movies rather than

DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure (was: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.)

2008-10-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.25.0310 +0200]: The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides: The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce mailing list (Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) are suspended

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11551 March 1977, martin f. krafft wrote: The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce mailing list (Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) are suspended [§4.1(3)]. This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)]. I do not understand why we need to do this at

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.27.1734 +0100]: The proposed changes are outside of the delegate's competencies. You are wrong. The changes I propose are all well within the DAMs competency. Please back up this claim a formal statement or delegation specifying your

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure (was: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.)

2008-10-27 Thread Patrick Schoenfeld
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 05:13:22PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Charles Plessy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.25.0310 +0200]: The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, decides: The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Joerg Jaspert wrote: On 11551 March 1977, martin f. krafft wrote: The changes announced the 22nd of October on the debian-devel-announce mailing list (Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) are suspended [§4.1(3)]. This suspension is effective immediately [§4.2(2.2)]. I do not understand why

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 04:39:27PM +, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Joerg Jaspert [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.27.1734 +0100]: The proposed changes are outside of the delegate's competencies. You are wrong. The changes I propose are all well within the DAMs competency. Please

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: IMHO that's beside the point, even if the constitution isn't specific, delegates should not make invasive decision for the project where it's not obviously following the consensus, or some previous discussion. This is actually §8.3: 8.3.

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:21:41PM +, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: IMHO that's beside the point, even if the constitution isn't specific, ^^^ I

Re: DAM has no competency to make changes to membership structure

2008-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: But like I said, let's proceed with the GR, I don't mind, it's merely disappointing. By all means., No matter that the GR is a useless, no-op, anti-ganneff vote, which serves no purpose whatsoever, except to kill any motivation ganneff