Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-04-10 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 07:46:19AM -0600, Bdale Garbee wrote: > Chris, thank you for your service! Two terms as DPL is a serious > contribution > and commitment to Debian, and I greatly appreciate it! indeed. Chris, many thanks for all your DPL work in the last two years. IMO you were truely

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 3/14/19 12:43 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > On 2019/03/14 13:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> Soo, lets ensure we do not have another week: >> >> I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. > > I have been considering that too, and have been planning to submit my > self-nomination as late

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Ben Finney
Joerg Jaspert writes: > I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. Jonathan Carter writes: > I hereby nominate myself for the 2019 DPL election. Whether our constitution requires a second or not, I'm grateful to people putting themselves up for the DPL role. So, I hereby second the

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2019-03-14 00:05:16, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Hi, > > Disclaimer: I was the DPL between 2013 and 2015. My recollection of that > time might not be entirely correct, and Debian might have changed quite > a bit since then. I must admit that I haven't followed Debian closely > enough to know some

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:34:02PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. I ack that this is valid. Kurt

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 01:43:04PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > I hereby nominate myself for the 2019 DPL election. I ack that this is valid. Kurt

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Daniel Lenharo
Hi On 3/14/19 8:43 AM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > On 2019/03/14 13:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> Soo, lets ensure we do not have another week: >> >> I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. > > I hereby nominate myself for the 2019 DPL election. Thanks you both!! Regards! -- Daniel

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 01:43:04PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2019/03/14 13:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. > > I hereby nominate myself for the 2019 DPL election. Mwahahaha, so we managed to guilt-trip you two into stepping forward, so

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/03/19 at 16:00 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:24:58AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > So, thinking a bit more about that, and using > > https://www.debian.org/intro/organization.en.html as a basis, a split > > that could maybe work is: > Can it work without a

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/03/14 13:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Soo, lets ensure we do not have another week: > > I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. I have been considering that too, and have been planning to submit my self-nomination as late as possible to give me enough chance to chicken out.

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15337 March 1977, Debian Project Secretary wrote: Since there were no candidates during the nomination period, the nomination period has been extended by 1 week. Soo, lets ensure we do not have another week: I hereby nominate myself for the DPL election 2019. -- bye, Joerg

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Bdale Garbee wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes: > > > - it's a position where you are often alone, and lack feedback > > This is true in the limit, but I, and a number of other former DPLs, > have often made ourselves available to the acting DPL to act as a > "sounding board".

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:24:58AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > So, thinking a bit more about that, and using > https://www.debian.org/intro/organization.en.html as a basis, a split > that could maybe work is: Can it work without a GR? -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, 2019-03-14 at 09:36 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > The second one (which requires more work on the Debian side) is to do > our own double-accounting, track all expenses, and track how they are > taken into account by TOs. As far as I have seen Debian expenses, the Debian treasurers are

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, Missatge de Martin Michlmayr del dia dj., 14 de març 2019 a les 5:26: > * Lucas Nussbaum [2019-03-14 00:05]: > > Also, from the DPL POV, it would be very useful to have an annual > > report on Debian finances. I don't know if this exists nowadays. > It doesn't. I wanted to do

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/03/19 at 00:05 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > What could work is a group of people that are elected together, agree > beforehand on how to share the various areas of responsibility, and > synchronize very frequently to align their views. But it's probably hard > to be efficient in the

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/03/19 at 00:01 -0700, Jose Miguel Parrella wrote: > lucas wrote: > > What could work is a group of people that are elected together, agree > > beforehand on how to share the various areas of responsibility, and > > synchronize very frequently to align their views. But it's probably hard > >

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 13/03/19 at 21:04 -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > How much of the DPL's financial role can be delegated? > I understand that for example absent instructions otherwise the DPL is > our expendature approval point for SPI (and presumably the other trusted > organizations). > > Would the governing

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/03/19 at 12:21 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:05 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > Also, from the DPL POV, it would be very useful to have an annual > > report on Debian finances. I don't know if this exists nowadays. > > Some of the TOs have annual reports, the SPI one

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-14 Thread Jose Miguel Parrella
lucas wrote: > What could work is a group of people that are elected together, agree > beforehand on how to share the various areas of responsibility, and > synchronize very frequently to align their views. But it's probably hard > to be efficient in the typical Debian setup, and to determine a

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Lucas Nussbaum [2019-03-14 00:05]: > Also, from the DPL POV, it would be very useful to have an annual > report on Debian finances. I don't know if this exists nowadays. It doesn't. I wanted to do something like that a few years ago but it wasn't possible because we couldn't get the needed

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:05 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Responsibility #4: "Debian Monthly News" > > Over time, the DPL somehow has grown the responsibility of distributing > news that are sometimes very loosely related to the DPL role. That's > probably

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:05 AM Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Also, from the DPL POV, it would be very useful to have an annual > report on Debian finances. I don't know if this exists nowadays. Some of the TOs have annual reports, the SPI one includes some details of Debian & DebConf money at SPI,

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Bdale Garbee
Sam Hartman writes: > How much of the DPL's financial role can be delegated? Unclear. > Would the governing procedures/bilaws/whatever of our trusted > organizations permit a DPL to delegate some or all of this? I think so. However, I suspect this would not feel like a significant reduction

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Bdale Garbee
Lucas Nussbaum writes: > - it's a position where you are often alone, and lack feedback This is true in the limit, but I, and a number of other former DPLs, have often made ourselves available to the acting DPL to act as a "sounding board". In fact, I think I've personally provided advice and

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Sam Hartman
How much of the DPL's financial role can be delegated? I understand that for example absent instructions otherwise the DPL is our expendature approval point for SPI (and presumably the other trusted organizations). Would the governing procedures/bilaws/whatever of our trusted organizations permit

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, Disclaimer: I was the DPL between 2013 and 2015. My recollection of that time might not be entirely correct, and Debian might have changed quite a bit since then. I must admit that I haven't followed Debian closely enough to know some details! (And I hope that other former DPLs will post

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Iustin Pop
On 2019-03-13 15:13:33, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > (Dropping Chris from CC: as he is subscribed to -vote) > > On 2019-03-12 16:55, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: > > > > Mehdi, would you like to run again? > > I saw you run in 2017 and you have experience as DPL. > > > > I am really not sure

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
(Dropping Chris from CC: as he is subscribed to -vote) On 2019-03-12 16:55, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: Mehdi, would you like to run again? I saw you run in 2017 and you have experience as DPL. I am really not sure what people are expecting from the DPL. My past experience showed

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-13 Thread Matthew Vernon
Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes: > Not to pile on, but i wonder whether Lamby's diligence, and his clear > documentation of the workload (via Bits from the DPL at least) hasn't > scared off some prospective candidates, who might now be realizing that > they don't have the bandwidth to handle all of

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-12 Thread Jonathan Carter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2019/03/12 18:22, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> +1. Thank you so much for everything you've done for Debian over the past >> two years! > > Not to pile on, but i wonder whether Lamby's diligence, and his clear > documentation of the workload

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-12 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Tue 2019-03-12 08:45:46 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Bdale Garbee writes: > >> Chris, thank you for your service! Two terms as DPL is a serious >> contribution and commitment to Debian, and I greatly appreciate it! > > +1. Thank you so much for everything you've done for Debian over the past

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-12 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, On 3/12/19 6:26 AM, Chris Lamb wrote: > Dear Developers, > > Whilst it would have been clear to any serious potential candidate > already, for the sake of clarity I will not be looking to extend my > term in this year's DPL elections. Thank you. I believe it was import you clarify that.

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-12 Thread Russ Allbery
Bdale Garbee writes: > Chris, thank you for your service! Two terms as DPL is a serious > contribution and commitment to Debian, and I greatly appreciate it! +1. Thank you so much for everything you've done for Debian over the past two years! -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org)

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-12 Thread Bdale Garbee
Chris, thank you for your service! Two terms as DPL is a serious contribution and commitment to Debian, and I greatly appreciate it! Bdale On March 12, 2019 3:26:26 AM MDT, Chris Lamb wrote: >Dear Developers, > >> Since there were no candidates during the nomination period, the >> nomination

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-12 Thread Chris Lamb
Dear Developers, > Since there were no candidates during the nomination period, the > nomination period has been extended by 1 week. Whilst it would have been clear to any serious potential candidate already, for the sake of clarity I will not be looking to extend my term in this year's DPL

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:47:52AM +0100, Daniel wrote: > On 10/03/2019 11:37, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 11:20:03AM +0100, Daniel wrote: > >> On 10/03/2019 04:44, Steve Langasek wrote: > >>> This is an obviously untrue signature. > >> Why do you want to taint the

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15337 March 1977, Zlatan Todorić wrote: So, funny, maybe we will live to our long history of community fostering (which is the thing I most enjoy from Debian, besides that we produce kickass OS) and be leaderless as we in all nature of project actually are. While the idea of going

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Ximin Luo
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Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi all, On 10.03.19 18:48, Zlatan Todorić wrote: maybe we will live to our long history of community fostering (which is the thing I most enjoy from Debian, besides that we produce kickass OS) and be leaderless as we in all nature of project actually are. If this ("leaderless as we in all

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Zlatan Todorić
(sorry for top posting) So, funny, maybe we will live to our long history of community fostering (which is the thing I most enjoy from Debian, besides that we produce kickass OS) and be leaderless as we in all nature of project actually are. Doesn't sound too bad to me, Z ;) On March 10,

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 01:48:23PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 15337 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > In fairness, I'd recommend that the nominations period be extended for > > some explicit time. I think that we want to have a known window for new > > nominations rather than say

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Since there were no candidates during the nomination period, the nomination period has been extended by 1 week. The new time line looks like: | Period | Start | End | |+---+-| | Nomination | Sunday 2019-03-03 |

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15337 March 1977, Sam Hartman wrote: In fairness, I'd recommend that the nominations period be extended for some explicit time. I think that we want to have a known window for new nominations rather than say starting the campaigning as soon as someone nominates themselves. §5.2.4 to the

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Sam Hartman
We seem to have reached the end of the nominations period with no Debian developers stepping forward to nominate themselves. As has been discussed, the nomination in is not valid because the person nominating themselves is not a developer. In fairness, I'd recommend that the nominations period

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-10 Thread Daniel
On 10/03/2019 04:44, Steve Langasek wrote: > > This is an obviously untrue signature. > Why do you want to taint the elections with more bullying, insulting and disrespectful comments?

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 12:56:00AM +0100, Daniel wrote: > On 03/03/2019 01:17, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) > > debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. > A lot of people contacted me encouraging me to run

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-09 Thread Daniel
On 03/03/2019 01:17, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) > debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. > A lot of people contacted me encouraging me to run for DPL as a way to help Debian out of the current cultural

Debian Project Leader Elections 2019: Call for nominations

2019-03-02 Thread Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
[-- The following data is signed --] Hi, According to the constitution (5.2. Appointment), project leader elections should begin "six weeks before the leadership post becomes vacant, or (if it is too late already) immediately." The new project leader term starts on 2019-04-17. The time line