Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-04-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: >>> And I tested hyperkitty some time ago with our archive and it was >>> unusable slow. >> >> Interesting. I wonder how Fedora deals with this. I haven't used their >> archives extensively, but from quick tests it appeared to be quite >> responsive. > > One question that

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-27 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Alexander Wirt: > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: > >> Alexander Wirt: > >>> In my experience as a former mailman admin and listadmin mailman is a > >>> no-go. > >>> Getting our feature set even nearly into mailman is impossible,

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 3/26/19 7:07 PM, Jonas Meurer wrote: Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: Alexander Wirt: In my experience as a former mailman admin and listadmin mailman is a no-go. Getting our feature set even nearly into mailman is impossible, takes years and will just

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: > On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: >> Alexander Wirt: >>> In my experience as a former mailman admin and listadmin mailman is a >>> no-go. >>> Getting our feature set even nearly into mailman is impossible, takes years >>> and will just get us an unmaintainable

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 19-03-25 12 h 54, Ansgar wrote: > a lot of communication in Debian happens over IRC. However IRC is not > as nice to use as newer alternatives, creating a barrier for newer > contributors. The way I see it, IRC is a barrier for new contributors, but there are ways to make IRC more accessible:

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/26/19 9:32 AM, Ansgar wrote: > Both Mattermost and Rocket.chat are centralized services. This means > users have to create a Debian-specific account and might have to keep a > Debian-specific instance of the client running (if the client doesn't > support logging into multiple accounts at

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/03/26 10:32, Ansgar wrote: > What makes Matrix interesting for me is that it is federated and that > there is a client ecosystem developing[1]. > > I might be interested in trying to get a Matrix homeserver for > debian.org as an experimental service. Need to investigate what this >

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-26 Thread Ansgar
Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana writes: > On 3/25/19 3:42 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> There's a massive amount of interesting things happening in the space. >> Matrix is good, but Mattermost is certainly worth looking at as well. >> >> https://mattermost.com/ [...] > There is also Rocket.chat. >

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, Jonas Meurer wrote: > Hi Alex, > > Alexander Wirt: > >> While I agree that some "more modern" going way would be nice for lists, > >> I don't think that is an easy task. Nor one where DPL can do much > >> (unless listmasters need some resources that DPL can approve for such

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/03/26 04:09, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: > There is also Rocket.chat. > https://rocket.chat/ Not really the place for me to rant about rocketchat, but I've used and supported it before and wasn't impressed with its quality, it's one of those node.js spaghetti cases and if

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/03/25 22:27, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: >> More on Mastodon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) >> Follow me on Mastodon! :) https://mastodon.xyz/@highvoltage >> > > Debian is already in Mastodon (which federates with GNU Social): > > https://fosstodon.org/@debian > >

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, On 3/25/19 3:42 PM, Jonathan Carter wrote: > > There's a massive amount of interesting things happening in the space. > Matrix is good, but Mattermost is certainly worth looking at as well. > > https://mattermost.com/ > > It's a free software alternative to Slack, but it's not a mere copy,

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: >> While I agree that some "more modern" going way would be nice for lists, >> I don't think that is an easy task. Nor one where DPL can do much >> (unless listmasters need some resources that DPL can approve for such a >> change). Its up to the listmasters, though as far

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 15352 March 1977, ans...@debian.org wrote: > > > Do you think Debian should be more active to establish (official) > > presence on newer platforms? > > For those that are free, sure. > > > In particular I also wonder if Debian should look at

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15352 March 1977, ans...@debian.org wrote: Do you think Debian should be more active to establish (official) presence on newer platforms? For those that are free, sure. In particular I also wonder if Debian should look at Matrix[1]: it is a free and decentralized platform, and the UI (of

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Brian May
Ansgar writes: > As a simple test I tried to join #debian over the bridge. It doesn't > work out of the box as #debian need registered nicks. > > Figuring out how to register a nickname on OFTC over the Matrix bridge > and having to do that before joining a channel is a pretty high barrier.

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Hi El 25/3/19 a las 19:42, Jonathan Carter escribió: > > Here are some of them many of you may already be familiar with. > > 1. Mastodon > > Mastodon is a twitter-like platform with a tweetdeck-like interface. > > More on Mastodon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) > Follow

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonathan Carter (2019-03-25 20:20:11) > Hi Martin > > On 2019/03/25 21:16, martin f krafft wrote: > > And while surely not representative: 11 out of 12 teams I personally > > know who looked at Matrix and Mattermost a couple of years back and > > went with Mattermost then are now

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz", who wrote on 2019-03-25 at 20:23 Uhr +0100: Does Matrix allow a client to be idling on some server to act as a bouncer? There's matrix-ircd, which is in theory a client that acts as an IRCd. I write "in theory" because it's abandonware. But otherwise

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Martin On 2019/03/25 21:16, martin f krafft wrote: > Quoting "Jonathan Carter", who wrote on 2019-03-25 at 20:42 Uhr +0200: >> It's a free software alternative to Slack, but it's not a mere copy, >> Mattermost is a superset of Slack in terms of features. Mattermost >> integrates with many

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Ansgar
martin f krafft writes: > Quoting "Sam Hartman", who wrote on 2019-03-25 at 13:09 Uhr -0400: >> I've been looking at Matrix too and it seems kind of nice. There >> already seem to be a number of channels related to Debian (or >> gatewayed from oftc) on Matrix. > > One benefit of Matrix is that

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 3/25/19 8:16 PM, martin f krafft wrote: > Yes, I am a huge Matrix evangelist. And why wouldn't I? Does Matrix allow a client to be idling on some server to act as a bouncer? I usually run Weechat on a server and never log off. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Jonathan Carter", who wrote on 2019-03-25 at 20:42 Uhr +0200: It's a free software alternative to Slack, but it's not a mere copy, Mattermost is a superset of Slack in terms of features. Mattermost integrates with many different existing services. In particular, it also integrates

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread martin f krafft
Quoting "Sam Hartman", who wrote on 2019-03-25 at 13:09 Uhr -0400: I've been looking at Matrix too and it seems kind of nice. There already seem to be a number of channels related to Debian (or gatewayed from oftc) on Matrix. One benefit of Matrix is that there are a lot of bridges, and the

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Ansgar On 2019/03/25 18:54, Ansgar wrote: > a lot of communication in Debian happens over IRC. However IRC is not > as nice to use as newer alternatives, creating a barrier for newer > contributors. > > Do you think Debian should be more active to establish (official) > presence on newer

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Ansgar" == Ansgar writes: Ansgar> Hi, a lot of communication in Debian happens over IRC. Ansgar> However IRC is not as nice to use as newer alternatives, Ansgar> creating a barrier for newer contributors. Ansgar> Do you think Debian should be more active to establish

Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-03-25 Thread Ansgar
Hi, a lot of communication in Debian happens over IRC. However IRC is not as nice to use as newer alternatives, creating a barrier for newer contributors. Do you think Debian should be more active to establish (official) presence on newer platforms? A disadvantage is splitting the community,