Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-10 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Carsten" == Carsten Leonhardt writes: Carsten> FTR, I'd also prefer a separate GR. Since no one prefers combining these efforts, let's come back to secret ballots after Russ's resolution is resolved. Carsten> Sam Hartman writes: >> new: 6. Votes are cast in a manner

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-10 Thread Carsten Leonhardt
Sam Hartman writes: > new: > 6. Votes are cast in a manner suitable to the Secretary. The >Secretary determines for each poll whether voters can change their >votes. The manner needs to also be suitable to the voters. FTR, I'd also prefer a separate GR.

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-09 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le 10 novembre 2021 04:08:58 GMT+01:00, Bdale Garbee a écrit : >Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > >> Then, we realized that we could probably add Secret voting (if it felt >> right to everyone) as the discussion on Russ' proposal didn't go in a >> too consuming spiral. > >Perahaps this exposes a

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-09 Thread Bdale Garbee
Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes: > I'd tend to be in favor of making this a separate GR. I agree. Bdale signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-09 Thread Bdale Garbee
Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > Then, we realized that we could probably add Secret voting (if it felt > right to everyone) as the discussion on Russ' proposal didn't go in a > too consuming spiral. Perahaps this exposes a distinction between those of you who have spent a lot of time thinking

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-09 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Holger Levsen wrote on 08/11/2021 at 18:21:02+0100: > [[PGP Signed Part:No public key for 091AB856069AAA1C created at > 2021-11-08T18:20:57+0100 using RSA]] > On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 12:12:33PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >> > I'd like to ask the community whether we'd like to

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 10:38:01AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote: > Holger> all of this and additionally personally I'd also find it > Holger> disrespectful to hijack/piggyback (on) Russ' work. > I'm frustrated reading this message because it sounds like you've jumped > to the assumption that

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Holger Levsen writes: > On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 12:12:33PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >> I'd tend to be in favor of making this a separate GR. > [...] >> Adding yet another change to this proposal would only make things more >> complex and make the issues at hand harder to

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi On Mon, Nov 8, 2021 at 9:38 AM Sam Hartman wrote: > > rather than jumping to disrespect. Please let's not fight fire with fire. I found Holger's comment quite compassionate—at least compared to the comments he directed at me—and would like to congratulate him. He did not know that his facts

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Richard Laager
Your proposal seems fine at first glance. I would prefer to see this handled as a separate GR. If they don't conflict textually, you could run them in parallel, but honestly I'd prefer to see them run in series. A few more weeks of delay doesn't seem to be a problem for this topic. -- Richard

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Sam Hartman
Holger> all of this and additionally personally I'd also find it Holger> disrespectful to hijack/piggyback (on) Russ' work. I'm frustrated reading this message because it sounds like you've jumped to the assumption that I'm hijacking Russ's work without coordinating with him. I don't

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 12:12:33PM -0500, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > I'd like to ask the community whether we'd like to handle secret ballots > > now, or in a separate GR. > I'd tend to be in favor of making this a separate GR. [...] > Adding yet another change to this proposal would only

Re: Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 2021-11-08 12 h 01, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > Russ made a final call for informal discussion. > I'd like to ask the community whether we'd like to handle secret ballots > now, or in a separate GR. I'd tend to be in favor of making this a separate GR. Although I welcome Russ' & al. efforts in

Do we want to Handle Secret Ballots in the same GR as Voting Changes

2021-11-08 Thread Sam Hartman
Russ made a final call for informal discussion. I'd like to ask the community whether we'd like to handle secret ballots now, or in a separate GR. The rationale for handling things now is that we can get it done with and if a controversial GR comes up, we'll have the option of secret ballots if