Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-08-16 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Louis-Philippe On 2022/06/19 01:43, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: This is a proposal for Debian to create a guideline for our TOs when they receive donations of non-fiat assets. It is a result of the constructive debate we had on debian-private, and hopefully it will not be too divisive

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-20 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:31:12PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > I don't see GRs as "adversarial" or "a last resort to put a nail in the > coffin of a divisive debate", but as a great tool we have to take > collective decisions. I think we can have "nice" GRs without obvious >

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-20 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2022-06-20 20:31, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > I don't see GRs as "adversarial" or "a last resort to put a nail in the > coffin of a divisive debate", but as a great tool we have to take > collective decisions. I find it difficult to not see a GR as adversarial when deciding things on a

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-20 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 2022-06-20 11 h 16, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > I have a similar thinking. In particular, Debian has a treasurer team > that should be able to make a reasonable decision about this without us > having to drag the entire project in it. Were they consulted about this? > Did they disagree with you,

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-20 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Milan" == Milan Kupcevic writes: Milan> Pollo, Milan> I trust your best intention but I hold that these decisions Milan> should be worked out by the Project Leader and/or appointed Milan> delegates in coordination with TOs and with help of qualified Milan> advisers.

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-20 Thread Daniel Lange
I have a similar thinking. In particular, Debian has a treasurer team that should be able to make a reasonable decision about this without us having to drag the entire project in it. Were they consulted about this? Did they disagree with you, and is this your attempt at overriding them? No,

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-20 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:37:44AM -0400, Milan Kupcevic wrote: > On 6/18/22 19:43, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > Under 4.1.5 of the Constitution, the developers by way of GR are the > > body who has the power to issue nontechnical statements. > > > > This is a proposal for Debian to create

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 19, 2022 7:03:00 PM UTC, Micha Lenk wrote: >Hi Antoine, > >Am 19.06.22 um 19:31 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: >> I second this GR. >> I understand people might not *agree* with it, but I still think it's >> worth discussing it more, especially in the open. > >For discussing things, whether

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Antoine, Am 19.06.22 um 19:31 schrieb Antoine Beaupré: I second this GR. I understand people might not *agree* with it, but I still think it's worth discussing it more, especially in the open. For discussing things, whether in the open or not, you don't need to start or second a general

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Antoine Beaupré
On 2022-06-18 22:40:01, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include > things like hardware donations (something I don't think would be wise). > > I would hereby like to amend my proposal by replacing "assets" by > "financial assets": > >

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Louis-Philippe Véronneau (2022-06-19 17:25:42) > On 2022-06-19 03 h 18, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:14:31PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include > things like hardware donations

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 11:32:40AM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > We had a nice discussion on debian-private (the thread is named > "Volatile assets, Debian money and SPI"), so I didn't feel I needed to > have a long text explaining the rationale. sigh. sad to see what happened to

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes: > On 2022-06-18 21 h 45, Russ Allbery wrote: >> There also seemed to be a lot of consensus on debian-private. Do we >> need a GR? I would expect the project delegates to be responsive to >> the consensus on debian-private and that we would only need a GR if >>

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Roger Shimizu
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:32 AM Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > On 2022-06-19 05 h 42, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 07:43:06PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > >> Text of GR > >> > >> Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 2022-06-19 05 h 42, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 07:43:06PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >> Text of GR >> >> Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency >> of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. >> >> End Text of

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 2022-06-19 03 h 18, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:14:31PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include things like hardware donations (something I don't think would be wise). I would hereby

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Milan Kupcevic
On 6/18/22 19:43, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: Under 4.1.5 of the Constitution, the developers by way of GR are the body who has the power to issue nontechnical statements. This is a proposal for Debian to create a guideline for our TOs when they receive donations of non-fiat assets. It is

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 07:43:06PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > Text of GR > > Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency > of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. > > End Text of GR what does that even mean? also, is

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:14:31PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > >> Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include > >> things like hardware donations (something I don't think would be wise). > >> > >> I would hereby like to amend my proposal by replacing "assets" by

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-19 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2022-06-19 at 07:23 +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > On 6/19/22 01:43, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > > Text of GR > > > > Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's > > currency > > of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. > > > > End Text

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
On 6/19/22 01:43, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: Text of GR Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. End Text of GR What's a TO?

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 2022-06-18 22 h 47, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On June 19, 2022 2:40:01 AM UTC, "Louis-Philippe Véronneau" > wrote: >> Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include >> things like hardware donations (something I don't think would be wise). >> >> I would hereby like to

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 19, 2022 2:40:01 AM UTC, "Louis-Philippe Véronneau" wrote: >Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include >things like hardware donations (something I don't think would be wise). > >I would hereby like to amend my proposal by replacing "assets" by >"financial

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
Someone pointed out "assets" is very broad, and that would include things like hardware donations (something I don't think would be wise). I would hereby like to amend my proposal by replacing "assets" by "financial assets": Text of GR Donations to the Debian project of *financial*

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 2022-06-18 21 h 45, Russ Allbery wrote: > Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes: > >> Text of GR > >> Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency >> of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. > > I think this may be too restrictive. One of the things

Re: General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Russ Allbery
Louis-Philippe Véronneau writes: > Text of GR > Donations to the Debian project of assets other than the TO's currency > of choice should be liquidated as soon as possible. I think this may be too restrictive. One of the things that came out in the subsequent discussion is the idea

General Resolution: Liquidate donated assets as soon as possible

2022-06-18 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
Under 4.1.5 of the Constitution, the developers by way of GR are the body who has the power to issue nontechnical statements. This is a proposal for Debian to create a guideline for our TOs when they receive donations of non-fiat assets. It is a result of the constructive debate we had on