Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-10-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Kurt, my inclination was to consider this change as falling under Constitution §A.1.3 as a change that does not alter the meaning of the proposal. Since you don't actually need seconders under §4.2.1, and you are the proposer of the original

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: Even better, now with attachments! There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch attached. Applied (wording / punctuation fix), thanks! New current text is attached. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Secretary - Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm hereby introducing two changes: a) dropping the name Debian Contributor (attachment 0001-remove-the-term-Debian-Contributor.patch) b) fixing punctuation as suggested by Kumar Appaiah [1], thanks! (attachment

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On su, 2010-09-19 at 11:33 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: Even better, now with attachments! There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch attached. Applied (wording / punctuation fix), thanks! New

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Am 19.09.2010 17:06, schrieb Lars Wirzenius: On su, 2010-09-19 at 11:33 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: Even better, now with attachments! There is yet another pronoun I have

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 11:33:24, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:36:50AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: Even better, now with attachments! There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch attached. Applied (wording / punctuation fix),

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Hi! On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:33:24AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. To that end, the project benefits from various types of contributions, including, but not limited to: package maintenance, translations, infrastructure

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-19 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:33:24AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. To that end, the project benefits from various types of contributions, including, but not limited to: package maintenance, translations, infrastructure and

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 06:42:18PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: Kurt, my inclination was to consider this change as falling under Constitution §A.1.3 as a change that does not alter the meaning of the proposal. That would be A.1.6? Yes, totally, sorry for the typo. My question was basicly

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-18 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm hereby introducing two changes: Even better, now with attachments! -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 z...@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Quando

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-18 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: My question was basicly if you wanted to make that change at that time. My interpretation is that you didn't propose to change it at that time, but that you would do it at some later time. The question was which part

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-18 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Zack, On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:56:32AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 11:40:07AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I'm hereby introducing two changes: Even better, now with attachments! There is yet another pronoun I have missed. Please find a patch

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-17 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 06:52:02PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: In case these changes are regarded as more than editorial (which is your call, but I feel they are), the new proposal requires new seconds I'm not sure why you think the proposal requires seconds if it replaces an older

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:40:09PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I'll let the patch linger for a couple of days -- actually, I'll be away for most part of tomorrow -- and then I'll apply it, posting a new complete draft here shortly thereafter. So I'm not considering this currently as an

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-16 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:48:02PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I like that a lot more than the other wording, thus seconded. Please don't go and make this more confusing for me. As far as I can tell this wasn't meant to be amendment yet. He will probably accept this or something

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 02:03:01PM +0100, Matthew Johnson a écrit : OTOH, if we pass a GR that looks like we'll give them upload rights (because it just says they are DDs) and then they aren't given upload rights some people might feel upset that they voted for it. Just because it's not

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:51:51PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Stefano's DPL platform is actually quite clear on the subject: snip After seeing the results of this choice, it will always be possible to change the procedure, especially if a later DPL is elected with a platform that goes more

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 04:08:50PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:40:09PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I'll let the patch linger for a couple of days -- actually, I'll be away for most part of tomorrow -- and then I'll apply it, posting a new complete draft here

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-16 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:45:52AM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:48:02PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: I like that a lot more than the other wording, thus seconded. Please don't go and make this more confusing for me. As far as I can tell this wasn't meant

Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 15/09/10 at 12:08 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Naming (raised by at least Luca and Lars [8,9]) == Ah, what a mess! Until a few minutes before posting the GR proposal, the text contained a s/Debian Members/non-uploading Debian Developers/ and before that

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2010-09-15 at 09:26 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name, and emphasize the

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Xavier Oswald
On 09:26 Wed 15 Sep , Lucas Nussbaum wrote: If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name, and emphasize the fact

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name, and emphasize

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name, and

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions, including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations, infrastructure

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to: * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become Debian Developers, albeit without upload access to the Debian archive. *

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:13:12PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: I like that a lot more than the other wording, thus seconded. Thanks for your appreciation, but wait! :-) There are no need of seconds for this change (unless some of the previous seconders considers it unfaithful with respect to the

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 15/09/10 at 21:00 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Attached you can find a tentative wording of a proposal which remove the term Debian Contributors, pretty similar to the version I had before posting (shame on me for changing that!), but maybe a bit better in that it doesn't the horrible

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the people in charge to difference of status. snip Would such a change be a happy end for everybody

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:01:47PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the people in charge to

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class members of

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:13:12PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: Hi, On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system. To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions, including

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to: * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become Debian Developers, albeit

Re: Naming of non-uploading DDs (Was: GR: welcome non-packaging contributors as Debian project members)

2010-09-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:02:34PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to: * Endorse the idea that