Hi Russ,
I realize I'm very late with this (sometimes one is just delayed with
reading emails), but I wanted to thank you for this mail. I think it
captures quite well how this all works, and why it is difficult to write
down a set of rigid rules (occasionally, that is also why I did not add
such
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote on 15/03/2023 at 20:10:01+0100:
> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:00:55PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
>> Thomas,
>>
>> Thank you for this post. I found it an informative read.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that Debian is not the proper venue for discussions
>> that do not
On 3/16/23 16:24, Sam Hartman wrote:
It was disruptive, and disruptive of Debian's mission.
This was true even before DAM acted.
Even before any action was taken, people were not ignoring Thomas's
messages.
Thomas's messages were disrupting our mailing lists in a way that is in
my mind
* Joerg Jaspert [2023-03-16 16:20]:
This seems to come from a point of view that any "wrong thing one may
write leads to an exclusion". And that's just so wrong, that even trying
to define something here is impossible - and also wrong.
That point of view has been insinuated and rebutted often
Roberto C. Sánchez writes:
> I'm afraid that you miss the point. I specifically chose flat earth, &
> co., as a contrast. My position is that we are all adults, capable of
> deciding for ourselves and that, absent some behavior that is a clear
> violation of the Code of Conduct and/or mailing
> "Roberto" == Roberto C Sánchez writes:
Roberto> I'm afraid that you miss the point. I specifically chose
Roberto> flat earth, & co., as a contrast. My position is that we
Roberto> are all adults, capable of deciding for ourselves and that,
Roberto> absent some behavior
On 16804 March 1977, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
And yes, if someone manages to go that way with another conspiracy
theory that directly affects people like this one did, I do believe
the
outcome will be the same. The ones you list above are on the comedy
side
of things. :)
You, on the other
Roberto C. Sánchez writes:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:29:12PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 07:53:22AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> > Can we have a clear statement of what "directly affects people"?
>>
>> for those having lost people due to covid, hearing
Marc Haber - 16.03.23, 14:10:04 CET:
> Can we please cut the unscientific bullshit from Debian lists?
Don't worry, I will just unsubscribe from this list now.
I wrote how I feel about (parts of) the Debian community before. No
point to repeat an experience that I'd rather not repeat.
Whether
On Thu, 2023-03-16 at 07:53 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > I'm afraid that you miss the point. I specifically chose flat
> > earth,
> > & co., as a contrast. My position is that we are all adults,
> > capable
> > of deciding for ourselves and that, absent some behavior that is a
> > clear
For those having lost a leg (such as myself, just to name one) because
of some careless driver, reading "I went for a run" could be painful.
Il giorno gio 16 mar 2023 alle ore 13:29 Holger Levsen
ha scritto:
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 07:53:22AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > Can we have
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 02:07:15PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Or those who where injured or killed by COVID-19 vaccines?
Can we please cut the unscientific bullshit from Debian lists?
Greetings
Marc
--
-
Marc
Roberto C. Sánchez - 16.03.23, 13:50:26 CET:
> Why don't you ask me about the people in my life who have been harmed
> by and who I've lost to communist and/or socialist tyranny?
Or those who where injured or killed by COVID-19 vaccines?
--
Martin
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 12:29:12PM +, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 07:53:22AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > Can we have a clear statement of what "directly affects people"?
>
> for those having lost people due to covid, hearing someone say
> it's a hoax, is
On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 07:53:22AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> Can we have a clear statement of what "directly affects people"?
for those having lost people due to covid, hearing someone say
it's a hoax, is definitly painful. and this affects Debian directly:
so far we know about one
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 10:43:53PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 16803 March 1977, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > Yet, would someone posting about the earth being flat, the moon landings
> > being faked, or aliens being kept in various secret government
> > facilities around the world have
On 16803 March 1977, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Yet, would someone posting about the earth being flat, the moon
landings
being faked, or aliens being kept in various secret government
facilities around the world have been so swiftly removed from the
project?
Hardly swiftly. And not to a
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 12:10:01 PM MST Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> BTW, I think that in this particular instance it did "directly impact
> the operation of Debian itself" because pandemic-related restrictions
> (e.g., vaccines, travel distruptions, etc.) became something that
> impacted
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:00:55PM -0700, Soren Stoutner wrote:
> Thomas,
>
> Thank you for this post. I found it an informative read.
>
> My personal opinion is that Debian is not the proper venue for discussions
> that do not have a strong nexus to development of Debian itself. As such, I
Thomas,
Thank you for this post. I found it an informative read.
My personal opinion is that Debian is not the proper venue for discussions
that do not have a strong nexus to development of Debian itself. As such, I
don’t feel that any of the emails or posts you wrote were appropriate for
On 2023/03/15 19:00, Thomas Koch wrote:
Half a year later, would you mind sharing a comment on my exclusion?
I'm glad that DAM didn't take too long to take action.
Would you be open to have a (public?) call with me and maybe also people
from the project (e.g. community team)?
There have been
> Soren Stoutner hat am 15.03.2023 19:07 EET geschrieben:
>
> I would be interested in hearing the details of what happened.
There you go:
https://blog.koch.ro/posts/2023-03-15-debian-exclusion.html
Thomas,
I would be interested in hearing the details of what happened. A brief
internet search didn’t pull up any information that seemed pertinent. Is
there some online location where you explain your side of the experience?
Soren
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:00:28 AM MST Thomas Koch
Hi Jonathan,
thank you for offering to serve the Debian project for another year as
project leader.
To my knowledge, it does not happen often, that a Debian member gets
excluded from the project.
Half a year later, would you mind sharing a comment on my exclusion? Would
you be open to have a
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