Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Jonathan Dowland writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private"): > However, this approach for me is less acceptable if there is a diminished > chance of such "flame-retardant" discussions from ever being declassified, > wh

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Hi Ian, On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 01:17:20PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Thanks for your message. You're welcome, thanks. > Don's proposed resolution clearly does not close the door. It makes > it possible for someone who is interested in declassification to try > to develop a workable process,

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Jonathan Dowland writes ("Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private"): > This seems a shame to me. It's a promotion of pragmatism over idealism, > suggesting that despite the project believing that a course of action is > the right one, i

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

This seems a shame to me. It's a promotion of pragmatism over idealism, suggesting that despite the project believing that a course of action is the right one, it won't happen, pre-supposing any future interest or effort will not exist, which is quite pessimistic (however realistic); essentially

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 10:04:00PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > * Kurt Roeckx [2016-07-16 20:52:03 +0200]: > > This is at least very confusing. The title says "will remain > > private", but none of the text says anything about it being > > private > > I agree that the

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Hi Kurt, * Kurt Roeckx [2016-07-16 20:52:03 +0200]: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:46:04PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > * Kurt Roeckx [2016-07-08 16:21:32 +0200]: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > > > ===

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:46:04PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > * Kurt Roeckx [2016-07-08 16:21:32 +0200]: > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > > > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On 07/07/2016 03:37 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] > requiring > the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. > For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] > requiring > the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. > For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On 14361 March 1977, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

* Kurt Roeckx [2016-07-08 16:21:32 +0200]: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Don Armstrong dijo [Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 12:31:40PM -0500]: > > I would prefer removing the possibility of ever implementing it > > without another vote. We can always vote again if someone comes up > > with a workable scheme. > > That puts a whole lot of stop energy in front of anyone who

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 12.31:40 Don Armstrong a écrit : > That puts a whole lot of stop energy in front of anyone who actually > is interested in trying to declassify -private, though; they'd have > to come up with a method, bikeshed the method, and then propose a > vote which still might not

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:54:23 +0100, MJ Ray said: [...] > I feel an attempt should be made to reform that process to something > we might stand a chance of implementing, rather than abolish it > entirely, but I'm currently unable to second Don's excellent > amendments. I beg

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016, Russ Allbery wrote: > Don Armstrong writes: > > > I have no problem acknowledging that we haven't been able to implement > > the existing GR, but I don't see the utility of voting to remove the > > possibility of ever implementing it. > > I would prefer

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

* Russ Allbery [2016-07-07 09:57:38 -0700]: > Don Armstrong writes: > > > I have no problem acknowledging that we haven't been able to implement > > the existing GR, but I don't see the utility of voting to remove the > > possibility of ever implementing it. >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Don Armstrong writes: > I have no problem acknowledging that we haven't been able to implement > the existing GR, but I don't see the utility of voting to remove the > possibility of ever implementing it. I would prefer removing the possibility of ever implementing it without

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

* Don Armstrong , 2016-07-07, 10:37: === BEGIN GR TEXT === Title: Acknowledge that Debian has failed to declassify debian-private 1. Debian acknowledges that it has failed to declassify debian-private, and that this is unlikely to change at any point in the future. 2. In

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On 07/07/16 16:37, Don Armstrong wrote: > I have no problem acknowledging that we haven't been able to implement > the existing GR, but I don't see the utility of voting to remove the > possibility of ever implementing it. I agree 100%. > I don't see how we could ever declassify -private without

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Nicolas Dandrimont (2016-07-07): > In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] > requiring > the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. > For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never materialized, >

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > The acknowledgement is about failing to implement the existing GR, > being honest about it, and to let us move on from it. I have no problem acknowledging that we haven't been able to implement the existing GR, but I don't see the utility of voting

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: >In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] requiring >the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. >For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On July 7, 2016 4:48:19 PM GMT+02:00, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: >Point is; only "Developers" (the term our constitution uses) are >supposed to ever have been subscribed to d-private. JFTR: the Constitution uses both "developers" and "members", interchangeably. -- Sent

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] > requiring the creation of a declassification team for the > debian-private mailing list. For the past ten years, the > implementation of this GR has never

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 14.39:21 Holger Levsen a écrit : > (should the text be reworded, I'd like to propose s#Debian > Developers#Debian members#g.) Point is; only "Developers" (the term our constitution uses) are supposed to ever have been subscribed to d-private. That said, we could amend

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

* Jakub Wilk [2016-07-07 16:15:44 +0200]: > * Nicolas Dandrimont , 2016-07-07, 15:37: > >=== BEGIN GR TEXT === > > > >Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > > >1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

* Nicolas Dandrimont , 2016-07-07, 15:37: === BEGIN GR TEXT === Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private list archives" is repealed. 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of the

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] > requiring > the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. > For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Nicolas Dandrimont dijo [Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200]: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > We therefore propose the following General Resolution: > > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Hi, On 07/07/2016 15:37, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with paragraph 3 of

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] > requiring > the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. > For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 15.37:08 Nicolas Dandrimont a écrit : > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of >debian-private list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

In 2005, the body of Debian Developers passed a General Resolution[1] requiring the creation of a declassification team for the debian-private mailing list. For the past ten years, the implementation of this GR has never materialized, despite an explicit call for volunteers[2] by the DPL in 2010.