Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Don Armstrong wrote: What do the DPL candidates feel about this? Do we require a GR to direct how account creation and keyring management is to be handled? Given my other answer in this thread, my answer is hopefully not. But if discussions and improvement proposals don't

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-23 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:22:50AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: As near as I can gather, it appears that so far no one feels to have the power necessary to change how account creation and key modification actually works. What do the DPL candidates feel about this? Do we require a GR to direct how

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-21 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:24:17AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: I know that account creation would be quick so long as you're active in the team That sentence could have ended right there, the fact that there is a SPoF there is problematic enough. -- 2. That which causes joy or

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-20 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mer, 2008-03-19 at 16:45 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: It seems logical that everybody who is AM approved has successfully passed the various checks. Yes, but, as we say here: « cela va sans dire, mais ça va encore mieux en le disant » (“it goes without saying, but it goes better saying

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-20 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Thursday 20 March 2008 07:33, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: When you register to NM process, you're asked to check boxes if you agree to Social Contract etc. But those checks aren't really enough. What you have is to say (somewhere on a signed mail) that you agree. Currently only the AM receives

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: If you get elected, what will you do to prevent people from waiting for weeks (and usually for months) to see their account created after DAM approval? I think the problem would be trivial to fix. The DAM should be the party that makes the

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I think the problem would be trivial to fix. The DAM should be the party that makes the *policy decision*, and then DSA should be tasked with actually creating the account, and keyring-maint with adding the key to the debian keyring. What is needed

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: If you get elected, what will you do to prevent people from waiting for weeks (and usually for months) to see their account created after DAM approval? I think the problem would be

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread MJ Ray
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Is creating accounts really now a sub-two-minute task? If so, that's great, but I believed there was still often a lot of multi-step independent double-checking in that task. Honestly I don't know. But if it's

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Is creating accounts really now a sub-two-minute task? If so, that's great, but I believed there was still often a lot of multi-step independent double-checking in that task.

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread MJ Ray
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Are you (or any other candidates) arguing for an NM-portfolio, a document that summarises the applicant in a way that most developers could understand why the applicant was given an account, if they saw that

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: (For example, answered all my questions about the social contract, DFSG, BTS, etc. in a good way leaps out at me. Not wrong, as such, but that's an unusual way to put it - has any applicant ever been described as answering them in a bad way?) Either he made

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 09:58:45AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: I think the problem would be trivial to fix. The DAM should be the party that makes the *policy decision*, and then DSA should be tasked with actually creating the account, and keyring-maint with adding the key to the debian

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-18 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Depending on the quality of the report (which doesnt mean quality of AM or NM, also amount of mails and quoting style the people use and stuff like that), its between 30 and 60 minutes. If one does a reject you can count at least 2 hours, as you then

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-18 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:34:49PM +, Russ Allbery wrote: Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW Reviewing an AM report and an application is nothing near a small 5 minutes task. I believe it's rather 30 minutes of work per applicant if you do it seriously enough. Creating

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
(resending to list, I responded privately by error) Hi, On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: If you get elected, what will you do to prevent people from waiting for weeks (and usually for months) to see their account created after DAM approval? Account creation is not the only

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It's well known that small task (when they take less than 5 minutes) are usually best done on the fly instead of accumulating them. [...] Where is this well known? I thought opinion was divided. See

Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread MJ Ray
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It's well known that small task (when they take less than 5 minutes) are usually best done on the fly instead of accumulating them. [...] Where is this well known? I thought opinion was divided. See Ganging your mosquito tasks

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Mark Brown
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:40:18AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: GTD is quite popular and has been discussed on planet Debian several times together with the Inbox Zero principle... that's why I said well-known. But you're right that I should have given more references. Note that the whole

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread MJ Ray
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Where is this well known? I thought opinion was divided. [...] I must admit that I've read some Getting Things Done related literature and that this organization method usually suggests to do small tasks on the fly

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:35:35AM +, Raphael Hertzog wrote: We need to break that logic. I would like to talk with James and try to convince him to create accounts as they come. It's well known that small task (when they take less than 5 minutes) are usually best done on the fly instead

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 17/03/2008, MJ Ray wrote: Is creating accounts really now a sub-two-minute task? If so, that's great, but I believed there was still often a lot of multi-step independent double-checking in that task. If not so, is that sooo long that there are only a couple of runs each

Re: Q: Small tasks best on the fly? was: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, MJ Ray wrote: Is creating accounts really now a sub-two-minute task? If so, that's great, but I believed there was still often a lot of multi-step independent double-checking in that task. Honestly I don't know. But if it's not, then it gives us at least a precise idea of

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11327 March 1977, Pierre Habouzit wrote: We need to break that logic. I would like to talk with James and try to convince him to create accounts as they come. It's well known that small task (when they take less than 5 minutes) are usually best done on the fly instead of accumulating them.

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:35:18AM +0100, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: Hello, If you get elected, what will you do to prevent people from waiting for weeks (and usually for months) to see their account created after DAM approval? Hi Nacho, NM is one of quite a few areas in Debian that I'd like

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Pierre Habouzit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW Reviewing an AM report and an application is nothing near a small 5 minutes task. I believe it's rather 30 minutes of work per applicant if you do it seriously enough. Creating an account should though (meaning I don't know if it is, but I see

Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-15 Thread Nacho Barrientos Arias
Hello, If you get elected, what will you do to prevent people from waiting for weeks (and usually for months) to see their account created after DAM approval? Good luck and thanks for your attention! -- bye, - Nacho signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Q: All: Account creation latency

2008-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:35:18AM +0100, Nacho Barrientos Arias wrote: If you get elected, what will you do to prevent people from waiting for weeks (and usually for months) to see their account created after DAM approval? I would like to extend this question to what will you do to improve