Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-06 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Jose Miguel Parrella [2019-04-02 19:24]: > How do you think motivations and incentives have changed, are > changing or will change for contributors to Debian in a world where > distros no longer mean what they used to? If we can answer questions like those Matthew raised and figure out what

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-06 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Matthew Garrett [2019-04-02 23:22]: > But upstream development is increasingly diverging from our approach. ... You do a great job of explaining how upstream and the world around us has changed in many ways. While I'm not sure that all changes have been for the best, it's important to

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, I'm not a candidate but the topic resonates with me and I want to share my thoughts also because I am in the position to do or fund some work related to all this. In Kali, we have software that are close to impossible to package because they have plenty of dependencies and sometimes even

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-03 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15361 March 1977, Matthew Garrett wrote: But upstream development is increasingly diverging from our approach. I think that depends a bit in which area you look. Many new software ecosystems are based on external code repositories rather than relying on the distribution, and in several

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Thanks for asking these questions. I'm *really* interested to see how all the candidates respond (if they do) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Jonathan Dowland ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://jmtd.net ⠈⠳⣄ Please do not CC me, I am subscribed to the list.

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-03 Thread Ian Jackson
Sam Hartman writes ("Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?"): > Debian is great at giving you all the parts of what you need to do that > aren't your primary focus. This is a great answer. > I think packaging free software even from languages

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-03 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Matthew On 2019/04/03 00:22, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Given these upstream shifts, is attempting to package as much software > as possible something that actually benefits Debian and our users, or is > it something that brings us a duplication of effort? I'm not quite convinced that these

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-02 Thread Sam Hartman
When people hear I'm from Debian, this is the second most common question I get. The first is about systemd and gives me a great opportunity to talk about how Debian works and about how we're a community facing tough challenges together. Here's the answer I give on this issue for Debian of

Re: Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-02 Thread Jose Miguel Parrella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 4/2/19 3:22 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Given these upstream shifts, is attempting to package as much > software as possible something that actually benefits Debian and > our users, or is it something that brings us a duplication of > effort? If

Q to all candidates: what is the long-term role of traditional Linux distributions?

2019-04-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Debian prides itself on shipping large quantities of free software with a strong level of stability within a release. A huge number of users around the world rely on Debian as a solid base for their infrastructure and derivative works, and our packaging policy makes it easier for us to ensure