On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:20:31PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Sven Luther]
So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its
fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who
sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way to
* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070511 07:47]:
Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people
finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago.
If you magnify the wrong part, you might magnify a little problem that
would be no problem at all without
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:29:24AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070511 07:47]:
Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people
finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago.
If you magnify the wrong part, you
Hi Sven!
* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-11 10:38]:
Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we
have two problems :
- the original problem between frans and me.
- the 'email flood' problem.
Currently I only see one problem: you.
Martin, annoyed by
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Hi Sven!
* Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-11 10:38]:
Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we
have two problems :
- the original problem between frans and me.
- the 'email
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a
svenl-was-treated-so-bad-one
Oh, so i suppose from the above that debian has had only a
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:00:56PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a
Sven Luther wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure, who did refuse to
provide the dates of the expulsion requests, because they knew well
enough that it would show the irregularities of the procedure, who
ignored the 70:7 expressed opinion of the DDs against the expulsion. The
[Sven Luther]
So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
everything is justifiable
Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other threads about Sven
Luther. Can you please let us have just
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL,
No, that's simply not true.
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 06:15:37PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
Well, i got suspended for a year,
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:01:40AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Sven Luther]
So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
everything is justifiable
Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I will do
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 03:01 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
[Sven Luther]
So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
everything is justifiable
Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
The
[Sven Luther]
So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its
fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who
sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way to handle
critics without hurting the other side as much as they can.
If
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 01:06:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
the
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL,
and some felt
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
Well, i got suspended
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like
childeren..
yer profesionals act
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 02:01 +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
you know all this flamin
There's a difference between an argument and flaming.
is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
I see you're trying to fit in by writing like a child. (See, *that's* a
flame.)
yer profesionals act like
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
Well, i got suspended for a
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:23:21PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like
childeren..
yer profesionals act like it
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
my 0.2 cents.
2007/4/29, Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:41:03AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 08:42:16PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:04:25PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 06:06:18PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:24:16AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up
Am 2007-04-30 04:20:07, schrieb Matthew Garrett:
I did read that, but it doesn't seem to answer my question. You denied
being a member, but you've had an email address and were an operator on
their IRC channel. How are you actually defining member?
I have an E-Mail in the domain gov.fr now I
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an E-Mail in the domain gov.fr now I am the hidden
President of France or my E-Mail from the Ministry of Defense
where I am Commander en Chef or what?
No, but it seems like a reasonably safe bet that you've worked for them
at some point.
--
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 05:24:16PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an E-Mail in the domain gov.fr now I am the hidden
President of France or my E-Mail from the Ministry of Defense
where I am Commander en Chef or what?
No, but it seems like
On Sat, 05 May 2007, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up and put it behind him, let him.
it's not like a stupid parody organisation actually harms anyone or
anything.
Except that most parody organizations don't have a long history of
attacking Debian-associated IRC channels
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:24:16AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up and put it behind him, let him. it's
not like a stupid parody organisation actually harms anyone or anything.
I beg to differ. The GNAA have a long history of mounting campaigns of
*disruption*
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 06:06:18PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:24:16AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up and put it behind him, let him. it's
not like a stupid parody organisation actually harms anyone or anything.
I beg to differ.
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 12:04:25PM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 06:06:18PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sat, May 05, 2007 at 10:24:16AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up and put it behind him, let him. it's
not like a stupid parody
On Fri, May 04, 2007 at 06:02:47PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Sat, 05 May 2007, Craig Sanders wrote:
if he wants to move on and grow up and put it behind him, let him.
it's not like a stupid parody organisation actually harms anyone or
anything.
Except that most parody organizations
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:41:03AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you seem to have had a
On Sunday, 29 April 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS
ORGANISATION.
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you seem to have had a
Isaac Clerencia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday, 29 April 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote:
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you seem to have had a @gnaa.us
email address and there's evidence of you having been an operator
Remi Vanicat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you seem to have had a @gnaa.us
email address and there's evidence of you having been an operator on
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you seem to have had a
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did you read http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2007/03/msg00060.html
or is there something else that I said or did that you are not satisfied
with? I really can't wait until all -vote learns that I have worked for
the SNCF
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
While I appreciate that member is almost certainly something without
any especially well defined meaning, you seem to have had a @gnaa.us
email address and there's evidence of you
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007, David Moreno Garza wrote:
I'd like to know that if you really had in mind to run for DPL this year
or you only happened to do it because Simon Richter blogged about
getting the French DPL:
http://www.hogyros.de/?q=node/237PHPSESSID=b0f1085279dae935669d872a48e1a085
I
Hello Sam,
I'd like to know that if you really had in mind to run for DPL this year
or you only happened to do it because Simon Richter blogged about
getting the French DPL:
http://www.hogyros.de/?q=node/237PHPSESSID=b0f1085279dae935669d872a48e1a085
I remember that after his post, your DPL
Hi,
I have question to Sam Hocevar.
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 07:08:50PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
I am a little curious at a disjuncture I see between your platform and
some of your actions, and I am hoping you can explain. In your platform,
you
On Thu, Mar 8, 2007 at 00:53:33 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
I took this as the approval of the fact that you (Sam Hocevar) created
this site.
It looks like you didn't read Sam's answers in this thread. See for
example [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Cheers,
Julien
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On Thu, Mar 08, 2007, Osamu Aoki wrote:
I took this as the approval of the fact that you (Sam Hocevar) created
this site.
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
KINDEST REGARDS,
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On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 05:02:36PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007, Osamu Aoki wrote:
I took this as the approval of the fact that you (Sam Hocevar) created
this site.
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
Good to know this :-)
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 05:02:36PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007, Osamu Aoki wrote:
I took this as the approval of the fact that you (Sam Hocevar) created
this site.
I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
KINDEST REGARDS,
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not
understand the question?
By the way, I hope you are not mistaking me with the individual who
[...]
OK, now I'm curious... We had DPL hats
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not
understand the question?
By the way, I hope you are not mistaking me with the individual who
co-founded ButtesNet, is part of or has ties with the ANUS, Bantown and
GNAA
Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you
not
understand the question?
By the way, I hope you are not mistaking me with the
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
You seem to be a frequent contributor to a site associated with GNAA,
which is a trolling organization that has had past run-ins with Wikipedia
and other volunteer projects. Could you clarify, first, whether that's
actually true or whether it's just
à titre d'information, au sujet de Sam, et comme ça tombe très bien (le mail
est tout chaud), jugez par vous-mêmes:
On Sunday 04 March 2007 12:49, Sam Hocevar wrote:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
You seem to be a frequent contributor to a site associated with GNAA,
which is a
Guys,
Sorry about the silly cross-posting. I wanted to illustrate my point on
some other discussion with this thread, which I believe, was appropriate in
the context.
Please accept my apologies for this.
-O. Piras.
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Hi,
On Sunday 04 March 2007 12:49, Sam Hocevar wrote:
juvenile that piece of software may be, I will not accept criticism
about it until Debian stops distributing software that encourages
stoning women and children, cursing homosexuals or enslaving daughters.
What software do you have in
On Sun, Mar 04, 2007, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Sunday 04 March 2007 12:49, Sam Hocevar wrote:
juvenile that piece of software may be, I will not accept criticism
about it until Debian stops distributing software that encourages
stoning women and children, cursing homosexuals or enslaving
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On Sun, Mar 04, 2007, Holger Levsen wrote:
On Sunday 04 March 2007 12:49, Sam Hocevar wrote:
juvenile that piece of software may be, I will not accept criticism
about it until Debian stops distributing software that encourages
On 04/03/07, Aigars Mahinovs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
shocking measures (including the GNAA and niggerspace.com) to emphasise
I meant http://www.niggaspace.com/ about which I heard in the news
some time ago.
--
Best regards,
Aigars Mahinovsmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clint Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trolling organizations are illegal in Vanuatu. We shouldn't allow any
Debian developers to break the laws of Vanuatu.
Don't worry; we're safe. Sam does GNAA stuff while wearing his
dunc-tank hat, not his Vanuatu pants.
Are they firm-fitting pants? In
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Russ Allbery wrote:
You seem to be a frequent contributor to a site associated with GNAA,
which is a trolling organization that has had past run-ins with
Wikipedia and other volunteer projects. Could you clarify, first,
whether
Sam,
I am a little curious at a disjuncture I see between your platform and
some of your actions, and I am hoping you can explain. In your platform,
you speak of the power of working in groups to get things done, and yet
you mock others efforts regularly in your blog. Can you explain to me
why
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
I am a little curious at a disjuncture I see between your platform and
some of your actions, and I am hoping you can explain. In your platform,
you speak of the power of working in groups to get things done, and yet
you mock others efforts regularly
This one time, at band camp, Sam Hocevar said:
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
I am a little curious at a disjuncture I see between your platform and
some of your actions, and I am hoping you can explain. In your platform,
you speak of the power of working in groups to get
Hi,
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
Maybe it is just a linguistic problem. Is it last that you find
offensive or is it measure?
Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not
understand the question?
I think your question is somehow irrelevant. I've
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 07:40:37PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
Maybe it is just a linguistic problem. Is it last that you find
offensive or is it measure?
Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you not
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
Was that a purposeful attempt to dodge the GNAA question, or did you
not understand the question?
I think your question is somehow irrelevant. I've never seen sam's
involvment in GNAA related stuff change
* Raphael Hertzog ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070303 19:43]:
We don't ask every candidates their religions, beliefs or their criminal
record.
If someone is connected with a trolling organization, or being convicted
for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, this is something I want to
know
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If someone is connected with a trolling organization, or being convicted
for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, this is something I want to
know pre-voting.
Are you seriously comparing being connected with a trolling
organization with being convicted
* Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070303 22:21]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If someone is connected with a trolling organization, or being convicted
for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, this is something I want to
know pre-voting.
Are you seriously comparing being
Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are you seriously comparing being connected with a trolling
organization with being convicted for e.g. falsification of a balance
sheet, somehow putting those two things on the same level ?
to me both disqualify for the post of dpl, in my book.
That
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:21:31PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If someone is connected with a trolling organization, or being convicted
for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, this is something I want to
know pre-voting.
Are you seriously
* Julien BLACHE ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070303 22:21]:
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If someone is connected with a trolling organization, or being convicted
for e.g. falsification of a balance sheet, this is something I want to
know pre-voting.
Are you seriously comparing being
Trolling organizations are illegal in Vanuatu. We shouldn't allow any
Debian developers to break the laws of Vanuatu.
Don't worry; we're safe. Sam does GNAA stuff while wearing his
dunc-tank hat, not his Vanuatu pants.
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On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
On a similar note, I find it a bit jarring that you find the GNAA an
acceptable group to work with. You appear to be directly associated with
http://www.lastmeasure.com/, and many of the svn check ins are from a
person named 'sam', who I
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007, Stephen Gran wrote:
I have been contributing to Debian for about 8 years, and mocking the
delay and the decisions of the release team for about 3 weeks (11/30 to
12/20). You have every right to call this regular, but if you do I
am afraid I don't know how I may
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe I don't understand the question. You seem to be asking me
whether I find acceptable for the role of DPL the racism of an
organisation I am not even a part of. And your e-mail seems to me to go
as far as suggesting I am racist (I am not). How is
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